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Old 08-06-2012, 03:24 PM   Top  -  End  -  #151
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I was going to show it off this update...But when I actually found her at the vineyard (which is uncommon enough to begin with), I realized.... I had forgotten my bottle, which I definately wanted to show off a use for. Facepalm. I will start carrying it around forever now.

I've mostly just been waiting to really do much of that sidequest for a time when content is thinner on the ground, or, basically, somewhen this summer. It's a pretty short thing in terms of actual events.
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Huh. Karen actually has facial expressions besides arrogant smirking. Whaddya know?

Also, the game's been teasing us about the vineyard quite a bit now. Is there any reason you haven't gone there yet? Is it just an efficiency thing, or do you need some prerequisites first? (Raise your approval with Karen? Convince the sprites to show you a secret back door? Kill the Harvest King and steal his Double Jump Boots?)
Probably a matter of saving time. The only people you'll find there regularly are Kai, Karen's mother and Karen's father. There's not much reason to go out there.
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:49 PM   Top  -  End  -  #153
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:56 PM   Top  -  End  -  #154
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How can you forget Clucky's name? It's the best name. When I play I just name the first Clucky then the rest Cluck2 and so on. I also don't understand why fox doesn't want to eat Fillet. Why wouldn't Fox like eating delicious fried chicken?

I'm surprised that you forgot to bring the bottle is the reason why we haven't done this bottle... thing you want to show before doing the vineyard. Don't you save every day? If getting the best game possible is as important as you claim then why aren't you saving a lot so you can redo a day to make sure you get all need to do in it?

I liked the Karen music box dialogue. She had new facial expressions in it and I was surprised that she knew the song. I really was amused by the creepy salesperson. I loved the line, "everything about this guy's logic is wrong". Although, considering that the first sale of that berry was a good buy, it would have been reasonable for Fox to have been duped. After all, the berry for 1,000 gp seems like a scam too.

Honest to god, reading your retelling makes it seem like the characters have so much more dialogue then they do when playing. No seeing the same text pop over and over again, heh.

I didn't get the joke about the man who was fishing instead of drinking tea, what was the punchline he was "supposed" to have used?

Another thing, get more work done in the field, the place looks awful still!

For my vote, I go with Karen, I like Karen to begin with but I more importantly, with the vineyard event, we got a whole Karen arc going on and since the event falls around this time, I think taking her to the fireworks could tie into that.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:35 PM   Top  -  End  -  #155
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I didn't replay the day (I do save-state every night, and sometimes throughout the day) because things were going unusually well that day, and by the time I noticed I didn't have the bottle when I went to see if Karen, by some mystical chance, would be where I needed her to be... It was too late in the day for me to run and get the bottle. If I resetted, I'd have to go back to the previous night. And risk her not being there. Which has a better chance of happening than not, because Karen's code for where she shows up exists to cause you suffering.

Ooooorr... Given that the tail end of this event-chain is a good ways off no matter what I do, and won't get farther away by my waiting, I could come back another day, with my save-states prepped and my bottle equipped and all that jazz. Maybe a day when I didn't have to go running to Rick, too. Like I had originally planned, before going to see where Karen was that day.

I only even considered doing my little tour at that time because, well...Here's my thought process. "Ok, I'll save-state now (note: at this point, running back to the house for the bottle would take too much time away) to see where she is, since I can't talk to any other girl while I'm holding this thing, and don't want to waste time running around...Holy shoot, she's actually at the first place I looked? Hot dog! Hey, come to that, I've been meaning to do a bit at the vineyard, now'd be a great... *checks inventory*...Well, fudge. Oh, well. It'll keep; even if I only do one developement there per chapter, I'll have a lot of dead air on this front between now and the resolution."

...You know, as much as I appreciate audience participation and feedback and so on...I'm going to have to point out that language like "If getting the best game possible is as important as you claim" feels really disrespectful and puts me on the defensive, and I don't like that feeling. I'm doing a goofy little LP to make people happy and share a game I love, not to feel interrogated. I'm doing the best I can to keep myself happy and write what I feel I want to write.

((Also, the line Jeff could have used, but juuuust avoided, was that he was here to Fish and Drink Tea, and he's all out of Tea.))
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:11 AM   Top  -  End  -  #156
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I'll throw in another vote for Maria.
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But you are not JUST doing a goofy little LP. You made the specific point that you ALSO wanted it to be the best game you ever have done and then you further stated that are so anxious over it that you get anxious when you feel that you are not doing as well as you could and you even do calculations based on some sort of HM chart.

I don't care if it's the best game you ever played or if you make it a goofy little LP instead.

I certainly don't care if you give the bottle to Karen on a certain day or not.

I'm just asking because your explination for it seemed inconsistent with what you wanted, which was the best playthrough ever. You haven't had any issues before now about answering questions about your gameplay style. I had no reason to think you would this time either.

I think it says more about your perception then it does mine if you feel that my asking about a flub that you felt was important enough to comment on is disrespectful or not. You didn't HAVE to state that the lack of a bottle was the only reason you didn't do that scene and, furthermore, you made it seem like a big deal that you forgot it.

I feel upset that a question I asked because I was confused is taken in such a negative light when I was genuinely trying to understand your thinking. You've been really open so far and I had no reason to think that this question would bother you. I certainly wasn't trying to insult your story. I've already stated as to being a fan.

I don't know what to tell you. I'm sorry I didn't phrase it better? In retrospect, I suppose using that wording made it come across more accusatory then needed. I'm not sorry for asking though. If you say something that seems inconsistent with other stuff that comes up people are going to wonder about it.

I think you are being oversensitive but I'll try to be more careful in the future. I might fail since I didn't expect you getting like this in the first place but I will try.

Also, thanks for the explanation, I had no idea that Karen's appearance was so random that she didn't even appear in the same place if you reset the day. That was extremely surprising.

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Tone does not carry very well over text. Messages posted online need to be worded careful, or typically accompanied by a smiley or two in order to fully shown the tone and meaning of the message. Sometimes, innocently worded statements or questions can come off as being rude or sarcastic.


If Deme misinterpreted some of what you said and meant, then it's just a miscommunication. Not a personal attack on you. I will admit, I also misunderstood the tone of your original message, and shared Deme's concern. Again, it is nothing personal, just a slight miscommunication.

Really, it's no reason for you to get offended or anything. Things like this are typically quite easy to clarify and work out.



However... I personally think you're a bit out of line with part of your recent post. If you don't want to apologize, that's fine and dandy. But...

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That's just uncalled for, dude. Calling her oversensitive over a simple misunderstanding is unfair, and a little mean. Saying that you will try to do better but probably fail because you didn't expert her "getting like this" is a bit rude, because it comes off as sarcastic and ignorant of her feelings. It could also possibly be interpreted as an attack on her.

You might not have meant it to come off as rude and stuff, but due to the whole "loss of context and tone" thing I mentioned, that section of your post could very easily be seen as such. You may want to pick your words more carefully next time...
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Please, relax. I'm not really mad; I don't know if you know this, but your post came off as somewhat defensive and abrasive, and judging by Lycan's response, I'm not alone in thinking that.

I didn't think I was being inconsistant, because I don't feel like I made it sound that my flub was a big deal -- my response was facepalm and to say we've got oodles of time and that I have been delaying things on purpose, not reset (I would have reset in case of a serious error) -- see how things you say don't always communicate well? You read it and got a totally different tone than the one I meant, and for that, I apologize.

Which brings us to the thing:

I love answering questions and hearing feedback. It's actually one of my favorite things: provided that they're respectful and non-redundant questions, ones that respect that I am telling this story and playing this game and have every right to do so in the way I wish. I didn't feel you were doing that because of your wording, and only asked that you'd word things with a bit more consideration for me in the future.

I apologize if that's a little bit rougher-sounding than I want, but I've sort of been agonizing over this since I woke up (I'm no good at resolving misunderstanding-based disagreements). Thank you for reading and enjoying, and sorry for the mix-up. I hope this won't do us any harm.

Please do keep asking questions.

(Also, thanks for voting for Karen. Being the lone person voting for someone is a bit of lonely work, but somehow deeply gratifying for me to see.)
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I think you're doing a great job Deme. Looking forward to the next update.
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You know...Karen seems like she needs the love a little bit more this season....so go watch the fireworks with her.

We will work out Fox's two-timing later. <.< I mean, She seems like...I dunno, a kindred spirit?
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You know...Karen seems like she needs the love a little bit more this season....so go watch the fireworks with her.

We will work out Fox's two-timing later. <.< I mean, She seems like...I dunno, a kindred spirit?
Meh, the only thing I get from her is that she has daddy issues. I guess that's something that Fox can relate to and help with, but I just haven't seen a lot of appeal there yet.
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There's also the fact that they are both wistfully wishing that they could have a life other than the one they've got. Fox has since gotten into a life that is his own, but Karen is a few steps behind him on that.
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While I try not to step in in defense of characters I'm writing too much, I do feel also the need to add...That the sort of thing Fox liked about his old life (and there were things that made him relatively happy there) are also things Karen is dreaming of -- in terms of understanding Fox's life and values (and visa versa), Karen's probably the closest.

Characters like Maria and Popuri speak to much more hidden sides of Fox, and characters like Elli and Ann speak more to the situation and life he's found himself in now, but there are definately bits of him only Karen of the girls could really get and keep pace with. How well this comes across at this relatively early stage of their relationship may be debatable (as well as how much that should come across), but I'm talking about the characters in a more abstract sense. I'm obeying dating-sim law: the more time we spend with a character, the deeper we'll see them.
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If you want to boil down each girl to a characteristic that is easy enough.

We got a bookworm, a chef, a wierdo, an animal lover and a trouble child.

However, such trite characteristics can't sum up these girls. For instance, Karen also has GREAT HAIR!

Common, look at it! It's long, loose, shiny and blond. This is why Elli will never become the wife. No man would ever want to marry someone with such a short haircut like that!

What? You need more? Man, some people are hard to please.

Well, she's not rebellious just to be contrary, it's not like she hates her dad. She loves him but she just doesn't want him to tie her down. Totally understandable.

Honestly, I think people tend to get along a little too well in this town. A good story needs a little conflict and all the other girls are completely lacking in that aspect.

On top of that, what challenges are the other girls trying to overcome? Does anyone else have any deep problems that Fox can possibly help with? We've been getting hints that all is not well for Karen's farm. Seems her family has fallen on hard times. Mystery is afoot. What is it all about?

She has a dream to go to the big city. Since Fox is from such a place, this gives the two a certain dynamic. Karen's dream is more relatable to Fox then, for instance, wanting to become a master chef. He can become something of a mentor to help her decide if leaving is the best choice. Anyone else, he wouldn't really have a clue in how to advise them.

She likes to drink wine, the only girl that seems to have an interest in alcohol. Big plus factor! Okay, I admit I don't drink but Fox does!

She starts off as a slightly mysterious figure. All the other girls, save Maria perhaps, jump on in to open up around Fox. She gets an air of mystery to her with the way she starts off giving him cold shoulder and then warms up later on.

She seems like the girl with the most wit about her. Every girl has her area of expertise but she seems like she can handle herself in social situations a bit better. Which makes sense, as a tavern wench waitress, she'd have to deal with difficult people the most often. Plus, I like her snarky attitude. Although Popuri is my favorite to talk to. You never know what pink hair is going to say next.

On top of that, we are trying to get into this fun story event about her vineyard. She's got an arc coming up so I would like to put a stronger focus on her character for the next in-game week and see what new things pop up.

So lets get some more votes for Karen to be Fox's date for the event!


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I'm going to vote for Elli purely because of her hair.
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I vote Karen all the way because I remember her being hard mode back when I played the game cause you had such a time limit and her schedule was so erratic.
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We will work out Fox's two-timing later. <.<
Karen vs Maria in a love triangle? Okay, you've convinced me. I'm voting for Karen.
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That's good, since I've started playing and planning the day so I can get the right invitation, and I've been assuming it's Karen.
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However, such trite characteristics can't sum up these girls. For instance, Karen also has GREAT HAIR!

Common, look at it! It's long, loose, shiny and blond. This is why Elli will never become the wife. No man would ever want to marry someone with such a short haircut like that!
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I like Elli's haircut as well...

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#2: We are almost to a cow. If not in the next update, then within the next 3. A cow, you guys!...And that means we need to start thinking of names for her.
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Elli's grandma bakes for us? One more point for Elli! Unrelated note: that gold font is nearly impossible to read, please change it.

The firework thing with Karen has me warming up to her some, I'll admit. Though I'd still rank her at #3 overall, it's more of "I like Elli and Maria better" than "I actively think this character is annoying". The thing about the wine business not being right seems interesting as well, interested in how that plays out.

"Door to Heaven" good wine name, or best wine name?


Billy seems like as good a chicken name as any. For the Cow, we could either follow the chicken food theme and call her Patty, or pick a random name.
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Hmm, a surprising amount of Elli hair love... Well, it's not terrible. I mean, it's not like it's a Pixie cut hairstyle that has become so inexplicitly fashionable of late and I will admit that she looked surprisingly cute in the panels where she tilted her head in this update but I'll stand firm in saying that long hair just looks better then boyish style cuts and that her hair style is my least favorite of the 5.

Deme, I see you tried to make Karen's writing smaller at one point using "size 1" option. That doesn't work. Size 1 is the normal size, unfortunately.

some thoughts on the update.

-Did Maria always wander around so much? We never used to see her outside.
-After reading the bit about bubble gum I looked up when it was invented. 1928, cars were invented before bubble gum...
-Granny's text is a little too bright yellow. Maybe a darker tone? I like the use of different colors for spoken bits and don't mind if it's hard to read but that color might be a bit too hard.
-I was particularly interested in the Ann conversation since there wasn't a single picture worth of in-game text used to base the conversation on. Very unusual. Didn't even mention Cliff in it either. Also, slightly more adult then the series has been so far. Aren't babies made from potions, instead of "mounting"? Yet, still managed to sound like stuff Ann would say. I liked how flustered she was. Good job.
-Complaining about being a walking cliche if he complained about sour grapes was a good line and got a laugh from me.
-I'm curious as to what made Karen the one that asked you out that night. I also enjoyed the scene, it was a good heart to heart talk.
-Muffin man joke was okay but who is Fox trying to fool? Cookies are the nom!
-Hmm, another note about the Goddess/Maria connection. Who is more in tune with Goddess, I wonder? Maria or Popori?
-Mystery deepens about the wine event. I think the build up is going well for that.

On to the questions.

How about "Fox Jr"? He's like the son Fox never had, because he's a chicken instead.

Also, I always name my cow Bella. It's a good cow name.

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Looks like default font size is 2, size 1 is smaller. The reason it didn't work was because of the size code in the update being slightly messed up.
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Changed Ellen's font. I'm hoping it doesn't look too much like Kent's.

Glad Karen meshes with you better here, Seerow!


Also, GOSHDARNITALLTOAFESTERINGPITINTHEBOWELSOFAHELL-BOUNDJABBERWOCKY! size=1 always used to give me a smaller font, and now I cannot figure out how to get a smaller font. STUPID, STUPID INTERFACE! I KNOW YOU HAVE SMALLER THAN STANDARD, WHY DON'T YOU SHOW IT?!
Edit: Or that. Yeah, that works.

Anyway, as to some questions...
I think it's been mentioned, but the Library is closed on the 1st-10th of Summer and Winter. Thus explaining Maria's newly-odd schedule.

There weren't any lines for that Ann scene because...Well... The screenshot didn't come out right. It was all black, so I replicated her line (about riding a horse) in text. That wasn't a cutscene, so that's why it didn't mention Cliff -- Ann's programming had no way of reading Cliff's bytes to know he was there. Now, with the power of creativity, she's just being tsundere at the both of us. Which is, I think, something Ann would do.
Also, cow babies are made with potions...But I'm assuming that's just their form of aritificial insemination, as opposed to the normal method, which humans still practice.

The rest will be answered...In due time. Or never. Whatever I feel like and/or remember.
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Wait cows reproduce from potions? And chickens reproduce asexually.... I shudder to think how horses multiply.
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I personally just hold that there are bulls out there somewhere, but we don't bother (except in the games where we do), and artificially fertilize them with handy potions for that purpose. I mean, the Japanese name for the Miracle Potion translates literally to "Cow Seed."
...Now, perhaps, we can end all discussion of cow reproduction.

People and dogs seem to require two parents, at least. Which leads me to the conclusion that chickens are just freaks.
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Heh...I kind of hope Ann and Clint get together. They are so cute.

As for a chicken...well you know what my vote is already. I feel like making another vote would be kinda silly.

For a cow though...hmm, it's too bad it isn't a pig, or I'd suggest calling it "Ganon". We don't get pigs, right?

Well...then I vote Clara. As in short for Clarabelle the Cow.
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So random question unrelated to the Let's Play, if I wanted to try a game from the Harvest Moon series myself, any recommendations on where to start? I'd prefer a handheld version of the game (I noticed a whole crapton of them available for the DS, as well as a few for GB/GBA), but if there's one for a console that's a better intro to the series I'm open to suggestions.

fwiw I'd like to avoid HM64 because I'm enjoying this Let's Play as someone with no experience with the game.
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I vote for "Abunga" as the cow's name.
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