Dresden Files: Winter is coming (Cold Days Spoilers)

[Dragonus45]

Originally Posted by Mauve Shirt

Star Child? Whassat?

I still think Murphy > Molly as far as romantic partners go, but we all know that whichever is first it's going to end tragically.

Whichever is first? Please this is Harry Dresden EVERYTHING is going to end badly.

[Mauve Shirt]

I know right? How much do you want to bet he fails at averting the Big Apocalypse that happens in the Big Apocalyptic Trilogy?

[The Glyphstone]

And then Butters declares TPK and has them all roll new characters, and this time don't just make copies of themselves for the next campaign.

[Lvl45DM!]

You gotta be wondering who's on the bad guys side for the BAT. I mean the Outsiders sure, but who amongst the earthly races wants it all to end?

[Dragonus45]

Originally Posted by Lvl45DM!

You gotta be wondering who's on the bad guys side for the BAT. I mean the Outsiders sure, but who amongst the earthly races wants it all to end?

Its not going to "end" its going to get new ruler ship. So has anyone considered the implications of the titles of that trilogy. Jim released them a while back and every time i think of them i get little chills.

for anyone not aware the titles are Hells Bells Stars and Stones Empty Night

[lord_khaine]

There is a world of difference in no longer being directly taught by him and not being "His Student" At the end of the day Harry is her Mentor, her gate to world of her adult life. It would be Icky and Immoral for him to take advantage of that situation to date her until well into her more mature years.

Yes and no, actualy at the end of the day, Harry was dead and Molly was forced to stand on her own, she is no longer a child but an adult, and that makes her fair game in that regard.

Plus, GHOST STORY SPOILERS

Actualy no, that did not break the 3rd law, the important part here is that there was no forced entry.

[Mauve Shirt]

Originally Posted by Dragonus45

for anyone not aware the titles are Hells Bells Stars and Stones Empty Night

"There's a reason those are swears."

Who's on the Bad Guy's Side? Everyone who sides themselves with the Outsiders. Cowl, Justin (DED dead, like Harry) and their ilk. Unless Cowl and Kumori are revealed to be time travelling Harry and Molly.

[Eldan]

Originally Posted by Mauve Shirt

Star Child? Whassat?

I just listened to the Ghost Story audiobook. He Who Walks Behind calls Harry a Child of the Stars. I guess that's the proper name for people with Anti-Outsider power.

As for the titles, I'm thinking:
Hells Bells: Hell
Stars and Stones: Sidhe
Empty Night: Outsiders. Previously, I thought vampires, but they are sort of gone. Unless the Black Court and/or White Court is behind it all.


Currently, I'm considering the Fomorians to be a good candidate for Big Bad. wide collection of monsters from all mythologies, banned to the oceans by the surviving surface supernaturals in a gigantic war, and out for revenge at all cost? Those might be mad and angry enough to deal with outsiders.

[hamlet]

We're not even really sure what the Fomorians' deal is, yet, as I recall, or I might have just missed it.

As I see it, they're really just a side show for the moment until Harry gets back to Chicago for real and asserts control, which I think is going to be the end result of Cold Days, or the theme of the book after that, perhaps. Harry, realizing now that he created a power vacuum of mega proportions, is going to make the decision that he's the best (or at least least horrible) person to fill it up again and turn Chicago into a White Council town, possibly even the new home to the Council after the old headquarters get thrashed.

[Gryffon]

Originally Posted by hamlet

We're not even really sure what the Fomorians' deal is, yet, as I recall, or I might have just missed it.

As I see it, they're really just a side show for the moment until Harry gets back to Chicago for real and asserts control, which I think is going to be the end result of Cold Days, or the theme of the book after that, perhaps. Harry, realizing now that he created a power vacuum of mega proportions, is going to make the decision that he's the best (or at least least horrible) person to fill it up again and turn Chicago into a White Council town, possibly even the new home to the Council after the old headquarters get thrashed.

Or, maybe he could turn to Marcone for that. Marcone has been setting himself up for it the whole time. Sometimes the evil you know is better than the evil you don't. And Harry might be willing to throw into this one, as he knows that Marcone prefers order and "gentlemanly" villainy.

[Eldan]

Originally Posted by hamlet

We're not even really sure what the Fomorians' deal is, yet, as I recall, or I might have just missed it.

The Leanansidhe gives a bit of detail on them in Ghost Story. Apparently, they are a loose alliance of various powerful critters banished from the land to the ocean by other supernatural powers. Titans, giants, demons, serpents, spirits, whatever they were called in their own mythologies.

[hamlet]

Originally Posted by Gryffon

Or, maybe he could turn to Marcone for that. Marcone has been setting himself up for it the whole time. Sometimes the evil you know is better than the evil you don't. And Harry might be willing to throw into this one, as he knows that Marcone prefers order and "gentlemanly" villainy.

Marcone has actually, as I read it, been trying to do this since Changes. Without a whole lot of success.

It isn't Marcone that kept Chicago stable and really bad guy light (not free, but light) for all those years, it was really Harry. Yeah, that city had its fair share of evil and then some, but it was Harry's presence, and the fear of the realization that nobody quite knew who's side he was on, what he would do at any given moment, and just how absurdly powerful he appeared to be (and might actually be in some ways) that kept a lot of the really bad folks from trying to put down roots in town. Really, it was only those already entrenched and too tough to argue with at the time that stuck around: the Red Court, the White Court to a lesser extent, and some of the low level villainy, but for the most part, Chicago was relatively free of supernatural predators.

To be fair, it was certainly the Red Court as well that kept a lot of the stability going if only for the simple reason that there's a lot of folks who didn't want to screw with those crazy blood suckers, but . . . well . . . we all know what that led to. And imagine if the end of Changes was just a little different and Ghost Story wasn't a Ghost Story.

[hamlet]

Originally Posted by Eldan

The Leanansidhe gives a bit of detail on them in Ghost Story. Apparently, they are a loose alliance of various powerful critters banished from the land to the ocean by other supernatural powers. Titans, giants, demons, serpents, spirits, whatever they were called in their own mythologies.

Yeah, I saw that part, but it seemed either that she didn't really know a whole lot on the matter, or she did and was simply not telling for reasons of her own. Probably a little of both, actually.

We, the readers, don't really know their game, yet. I'm sure we'll find out that it's not just a loose alliance and that there's something else at work there, but relatively minor when compared to an infestation of power hungry necromancers by comparison.

[Mauve Shirt]

I do kind of wonder what will come of Marcone's deadly Harry trap.

[Gryffon]

Also:

http://www.jim-butcher.com/posts/201...mber-27th-2012

[Mauve Shirt]

First thought: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! That release date is too far away!!!!!

Second thought: Nice cover, but I wish he'd get a freaking haircut.

[The Glyphstone]

Did anyone else just automatically insert a "DUN DUN DUNNNNNN" at the end of the description?

[KnightDisciple]

Wait...

Once the revision of COLD DAYS is done, I will be writing the first book of my Steampunk series, which is called The Cinder Spires at the moment. The first book, (working title of 'The Aeronaut's Windlass') should be around the length of the first Alera book, and I'm planning to get it done by year's end, AT WHICH POINT I will then begin the next Dresden novel.

...Steampunk series by Jim Butcher.

eeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[horngeek]

Originally Posted by The Glyphstone

Clearly, the only equitable solution is for Winter Knight Denarian Black Councilman Harry to rule the world with an iron fist while Molly, Murphy, and Luccio kneel chained to his throne in go-go outfits.

You forgot Elaine. *nods*

Also, *starts nosebleeding at mental image*

[Mauve Shirt]

Ok, so "The Aeronaut's Windlass" is a super goofy title and I was never able to get into Codex Alera, but I will be checking that out. As long as the next Dresden book is earlier next year! Hopefully the break from Dresden will speed his process along!

[The Glyphstone]

Originally Posted by horngeek

You forgot Elaine. *nods*

Also, *starts nosebleeding at mental image*

I totally did, my bad. Can I make up for it by adding in Andi and Georgia?

[Aidan305]

Originally Posted by The Glyphstone

Did anyone else just automatically insert a "DUN DUN DUNNNNNN" at the end of the description?

Yes. Yes I did.

But November is so far away... I need my Dresden fix dammit.

[Mauve Shirt]

I know right! And I will probably be in a land with limited Internet and cell phone reception when it comes out so downloading it to my ereader becomes impossible!

[Maugan Ra]

Well, I pretty much bought and read the whole damn series over the past week or so. And it has, in fact, ruined every villain everywhere for me. Now, whenever I am reading their descriptions, or the DM is making the ominous introduction, all I am going to be able to think about is Harry sitting there making wiseass comments about them.

That said, it is something of a credit to Jim Butcher that I can still take his bad guy's seriously even when the protagonist is mouthing off to them. The Sidhe are kinda scary. Even... especially when Harry's godmother starts jumping up and down clapping and giggling. That is just all kinds of disturbing right there.

Personally, I'm hoping for at least one scene in Cold Days where Harry actually has to introduce himself in a formal setting. Preferably to a session of the White Council. Bonus points if no one attending realized he was still alive before he turned up.

Because Harry Dresden basically gets a narcotic high off of making dramatic entrances, and he deserves a little happiness.

[Feytalist]

Originally Posted by KnightDisciple

...Steampunk series by Jim Butcher.

Yeah, I pretty much had your reaction.

I am so going to read the hell out of that.


But 27 November is like... so far away.

Also I am steadfastly refraining from speculating anything about Cold Days to preserve the resulting awesomeness.

Also also, is that a gun in his hand on the cover? That's... odd.

[The Glyphstone]

Why? Harry loves his revolver.

[Cheesegear]

Is anyone else unhappy about the less than puntastic title? I mean, it's not even Cold 'Daze' which is totally obvious.

[The Glyphstone]

Better than "Winter Nights", the original working title. That would have just been confusing.

[Eldan]

Unless I'm very mistaken (and I can't check from here), he's holding a rifle, but no staff.

I assume Mab won't give him the time to make new foci, so he has to use bought weapons instead?

[The Glyphstone]

Hm, it is a rifle. I hadn't looked at it yet, I assumed his .44 was the gun in question.