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Ok, For followers/Cohort would you prefer me to roll stats or use a lower level point buy (will ignore stats for now)?
Also, would you like to give me a number cap for maximum number of Swarmlings? I'm planning on 2-3 to start with.
On Followers:
Okay, I have 50 Lvl 1 followers, 5 lvl 2, 3 lvl 3, 2 lvl 4 and 1 lvl 5 as far as followers go.
My Cohort I'm having as a body guard and just need a stat reply.
I'm going to build my Level 5-3, but for my level 1 and 2's:
My Level 1 and 2's are split into 5 groups as guards/workers (Level 1 are infested with 1 point in Armourd Hide, Level 2 are Assimilated (Devoted to the hive to remove level adjustment) with all points in hive node, making groups of 10 lvl 1's controlled by a level 2, which will probably never be important, just here in-case)
For my Level 5+4's, I plan on making what is basically a body double that makes decisions while I sleep + 2 bodyguards.
With my 3 level 3's I plan on making a combat group for when wherever I keep my level 1+2 groups is attacked, probably as 'hive' wardens.
Also, for simplicity I will assume they aren't Gestalt.
Last edited by Erik Vale : 09-23-2012 at 06:54 AM.
So I don't see a skill monkey yet, and with the amount of grappling and Mind Blasting that's going on, it's going to be a Sneak Attack paradise. And I'm also looking at the Fast Tentacles ability and cackling maniacally.
What do you think of Illithid/Nomad/Flayerspawn Psychic//Spellthief? The plan is to take the Illithid Heritage tree to get a silly number of tentacles, psychoport behind a dude and attack with all of them, omnomnom-ing his spells, SLA's and power points?
Also, what are your thoughts on Spellfire Wielder? Spellthieves can use Absorb Spell and a Ring of Invisibility to supply themselves with first and second level spell slots in their downtime- and if one of their spells takes a swift action to cast, they can ready an action, cast it on themselves, and refresh their Spellfire pool. Too much cheese?
The class description seems to imply that you get more tentacles as your HD increases, though:
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The mind flayer becomes able to use one extra tentacle as a natural attack for each 3 HD it possesses (3 tentacles with 3 HD, 4 tentacles with 6 HD, 5 tentacles with 9 HD, ect).
Yeah, it's a poorly written class if you ask me. For instance, you need not progress it for those extra natural attacks. Which means you just get an extra attack every 3 lvls. Twice the normal attack progression.
I'm all for it if it's that kinda campaign though.
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Well Fishy, if you read the mind flayer class, you'd know you end up getting far more attacks with your tentacles than you'd get already with your regular Base Attack Bonus. ending with eight tentacle attacks at level twenty. I'd say that you don't need anymore than that, even by that level. Also, yes, that is quite a bit much cheese, since gestalt alone makes characters potentially devastating already (Warblade and/or Crusader//Bard? Nucking futs in team synergy). The Mind Flayer monster class already opens up room for much more cheese anyway (find thirty-one arcane spellcasting classes, any by the time you're level twenty, you'll have the spells of a level nine character in all of those classes at once, though even if it's legal as the class is written, I'd hit you with a book if you did that), so you don't need much more. Perhaps switch out the Flaywerspawn Psychic for a level of Rogue, if only to get that extra bit of Sneak Attack (more like Snack Attack amirite?) and whatever other class skills you might not get from the Spellthief half.
As for your ideas Erik, I like them a lot. Make them a twenty-five-point buy without gestalt and I'll be good. Just remember that I do work with a lot of fluff and flavor here, putting a lot of emphasis on characters and their behavior, and (I know your character's Neutral Good, so I don't imagine s/he'd be a huge ass about it) if you start infesting a lot of mind flayers that were taken prisoner and potentially could have been, as the group calls it, 'Enlightened', Abstersine probably wouldn't like you much, and having a scornful alhoon on your case tends to be a very, very bad thing. For your question about the templates and level adjustment, I'd say you're perfectly fine to apply it on both sides, since that's two classes' worth of features you're giving up in that, even if it's just for one level. Seems fair enough to me. As well, just think of what the average player would be able to get by this level. Player characters tend to get more than what the NPCs of the same level do, so having a sprinkling more of magic items than usual, and for the maximum enchantment on weapons and armor, you can have up to two weapons, one piece of armor and one shield that are enchanted as such (up to +5 in enchantment slots), enchanting them with whatever you can cram into that. If you'd like anything more in terms of magical equipment keep it low, things like having a +1 adamantine dagger as an all-purpose tool or something.
As a sidenote, here's a certain material I'd been developing that may be an interesting and useful investment, and it kind of makes sense for a mind flayer to use it, since they're all into sliminess anyway. Mentioned mostly because of its effects when enchanted.
And, that little bit about the tentacles you asked, you can add them and apply all the effects of a mind flayer's tentacles to them, but only if the damage dice is reduced to the 1d4 that the rest of the tentacles are, otherwise they're to be treated as separate tentacles.
Saidoro, I think your character is the one that appeals most to me for a meleer, though maybe taking levels as a Psychic Warrior instead of a Fighter is something to consider.
__________________ FOUR QUEENS. HMM. THAT IS VERY HIGH.
Death looked down at his cards, and then looked up into Granny's steady, blue-eyed gaze.
Neither moved for some time.
Then Death laid the hand on the table. I LOSE, he said. ALL I HAVE IS FOUR ONES.
As for your ideas Erik, I like them a lot. Make them a twenty-five-point buy without gestalt and I'll be good. Just remember that I do work with a lot of fluff and flavor here, putting a lot of emphasis on characters and their behavior, and (I know your character's Neutral Good, so I don't imagine s/he'd be a huge ass about it) if you start infesting a lot of mind flayers that were taken prisoner and potentially could have been, as the group calls it, 'Enlightened', Abstersine probably wouldn't like you much, and having a scornful alhoon on your case tends to be a very, very bad thing.
Don't worry, I'm not a maniac (and my area of controll is only 90 ft, the hoard that is at home is being controlled by some VERY busy level 2's). These will all be previous slaves that survived the escape that were under me or creatures that intruded on the groups lair. (Turn useless animals to semi-useful workers)
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For your question about the templates and level adjustment, I'd say you're perfectly fine to apply it on both sides, since that's two classes' worth of features you're giving up in that, even if it's just for one level.
Seems fair enough to me. As well, just think of what the average player would be able to get by this level. Player characters tend to get more than what the NPCs of the same level do, so having a sprinkling more of magic items than usual, and for the maximum enchantment on weapons and armor, you can have up to two weapons, one piece of armor and one shield that are enchanted as such (up to +5 in enchantment slots), enchanting them with whatever you can cram into that. If you'd like anything more in terms of magical equipment keep it low, things like having a +1 adamantine dagger as an all-purpose tool or something.
So Followers/Cohort are 25 point buy for stats.
The LA thing, I'm a little lost, I was applying a LA of +2 to both sides, and your saying I just apply a LA of +1 to each side?
Meh, minor XP gain, not enough to level.
And Equipment, that is go wild but for notables:
2 +5 Weapons, 1 Armour and Sheild up to +5. Well, I'll pipe up with any major others.
From this, Is my Cohort equiped similarly or WBL and a smattering of smaller (that I pass on) (Will be passing on Weapon)
And for Followers, I'll assume my notables are WBL and a smattering of smaller that I simply pass on if they need it.
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As a sidenote, here's a certain material I'd been developing that may be an interesting and useful investment, and it kind of makes sense for a mind flayer to use it, since they're all into sliminess anyway. Mentioned mostly because of its effects when enchanted.
Ok, Looking at.
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And, that little bit about the tentacles you asked, you can add them and apply all the effects of a mind flayer's tentacles to them, but only if the damage dice is reduced to the 1d4 that the rest of the tentacles are, otherwise they're to be treated as separate tentacles.
Many Thanks
Last edited by Erik Vale : 09-23-2012 at 04:51 PM.
Your cohort should have only a couple of magical items, and that's if any at all. Maybe a +1 or +2 weapon, and armor that's similar.
__________________ FOUR QUEENS. HMM. THAT IS VERY HIGH.
Death looked down at his cards, and then looked up into Granny's steady, blue-eyed gaze.
Neither moved for some time.
Then Death laid the hand on the table. I LOSE, he said. ALL I HAVE IS FOUR ONES.
Alright. I've decided to go with a Swordmage, because I like my Ithilids getting up close and personal with their enemies, and I've wanted to play a Swordmage for a really long time.
Now for a couple of questions.
First, a flaw from the list you linked. Blood Frenzied. Since a Swordmage's Invocations are attacks, would I still be allowed to use them during a Blood Frenzy?
Second, a thought on Jade Phoenix Mage. Techincally, a Swordmage does not have the spell slots to power things like Mystic Phoenix Stance. Would giving up a Invocation Slot for the day be an acceptable substitute? It would permanently reduce the number of Invocations I could ready by one for the day. While I understand if that isn't acceptable, Jade Phoenix Mage is the only PrC which advances both Arcane Spellcasting and Maneuvers, and I'd love it if I could access it's class features.
Third, are we using the Wealth By Level for a 10th level character, or another number? Just asking for clarificaiton.
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And I've been playing around with LA for my follower, just with the pact templates and (finally) deciding to let him keep his personality, and with those (3) templates his stats are only slightly less ludicrous then mine.
Fortunately for opponents my guy plans on standing far back with his bodyguard while manifesting through his swarmlings.
If they were Invocations I'd say yes to the slot thing, but them being Incantations, which are apparently in a category of their own, I'm not so sure. Eventually, they get infinite usage of fourth-level incantations, which would render a lost slot kind of null and void. Find a way to justify it to me, and I'll easily give you the go-ahead on this, since I otherwise actually like the Swordmage class. As for the flaw, I'm not too sure either, but I'm leaning towards no on that. Again, give me a good reason and I would be perfectly fine with it.
The items, as I've said before, simply have a limit on how much enchantment you can have on your equipment, and you can have a few extras based off of what you think would be good. Use this fellow here for an example of how much magic items your character should have. Note that I haven't picked all of his mundane items yet, and I have the Portable Hole only because I plan on him venturing alone for the most part; other than him being a mind flayer, he's totally unrelated to this campaign. Replace the Hole with a Bag of Holding of some kind, and it would be roughly about as much as you should have.
__________________ FOUR QUEENS. HMM. THAT IS VERY HIGH.
Death looked down at his cards, and then looked up into Granny's steady, blue-eyed gaze.
Neither moved for some time.
Then Death laid the hand on the table. I LOSE, he said. ALL I HAVE IS FOUR ONES.
Last edited by Manly Man : 09-23-2012 at 07:49 PM.
Also, lack of knowledge brick wall, Skills for creatures with levels in Monstrous Humanoid, I know how many points they get but I cant seem to find a skill list, can I get a hand as to what skills are/aren't cross class?
Monstrous Humanoids get 2+Int modifier, and unless it's a skill listed in the monster's entry, it's cross-class for them.
__________________ FOUR QUEENS. HMM. THAT IS VERY HIGH.
Death looked down at his cards, and then looked up into Granny's steady, blue-eyed gaze.
Neither moved for some time.
Then Death laid the hand on the table. I LOSE, he said. ALL I HAVE IS FOUR ONES.
If they were Invocations I'd say yes to the slot thing, but them being Incantations, which are apparently in a category of their own, I'm not so sure. Eventually, they get infinite usage of fourth-level incantations, which would render a lost slot kind of null and void. Find a way to justify it to me, and I'll easily give you the go-ahead on this, since I otherwise actually like the Swordsage class. As for the flaw, I'm not too sure either, but I'm leaning towards no on that. Again, give me a good reason and I would be perfectly fine with it.
The items, as I've said before, simply have a limit on how much enchantment you can have on your equipment, and you can have a few extras based off of what you think would be good. Use this fellow here for an example of how much magic items your character should have. Note that I haven't picked all of his mundane items yet, and I have the Portable Hole only because I plan on him venturing alone for the most part; other than him being a mind flayer, he's totally unrelated to this campaign. Replace the Hole with a Bag of Holding of some kind, and it would be roughly about as much as you should have.
Ah-ha! Yes, see, this is how I would handle it were I a DM. At the point where I would be able to use a level of Incantation(Why do I always confuse the two?), I wouldn't be able to use it to power JPM abilities any longer. Yes, at the highest level that means I would only be able to use 5th level slots to power JPM abilities. But I have no problem with that. Is this acceptable?
Then tentacles while Frenzying it is!
Thank you for the link.
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I suppose that it would be acceptable then. When you finally get to use infinite incantations on a particular level, just move the sacrificed slot up one level, and you should be fine then.
__________________ FOUR QUEENS. HMM. THAT IS VERY HIGH.
Death looked down at his cards, and then looked up into Granny's steady, blue-eyed gaze.
Neither moved for some time.
Then Death laid the hand on the table. I LOSE, he said. ALL I HAVE IS FOUR ONES.
Which of the ideas is the game going forward with? Enlightened or the Inquisition?
I've always loved that mind flayers were aliens from the future. I'd like to play a Mind Flayer priest wizard that has sacrificed much in order to peer into the future. Unfortunately, his astral projected brain thoughts had to travel through the Far Realm on the way to the future and on the way back it get infected by unknowable and unspeakable things. So he's more than a little unsane right now.
__________________ The Great Wave off Kanagawa by Hokusai Me. "We have sent many to Hell, to smooth our way," said I, "and we are standing yet and holding blades. What more?"
All things having been considered, I'd say we're going through with The Enlightened. For that reason, the Slayer class is reasonable, since I believe there are cases of mind flayers eating the brains of their own kind. Use it to play up different aspects of your character, perhaps making him have a certain paranoia about being alone with evil mind flayers, Enlightened or not.
Your hit points start out with the maximum for the first roll, adding your Constitution as normal, and then for your other levels, you roll for each level but only keep anything that's in the upper half, i.e. 1d4 = 3-4 hp, 1d6 = 4-6, 1d8 = 5-8, 1d10 = 6-10, 1d12 = 7-12.
As for experience, we will start ultimately at the minimum experience to be level ten, level adjustments included. If you want to have crafted a couple of items yourself, go ahead, but again, remember to be reasonable. Don't go and have spent three levels' worth of experience to make some kind of arsenal. A few sprinklings of extra items will suffice, a couple extra potions here and there, or some minor wondrous item, even a wand if you'd like, but again, don't think this means you can just go hog-wild and give yourself more magic items than the U.S. Army has guns. Maybe a Dispel Magic wand, or something along that level of power.
__________________ FOUR QUEENS. HMM. THAT IS VERY HIGH.
Death looked down at his cards, and then looked up into Granny's steady, blue-eyed gaze.
Neither moved for some time.
Then Death laid the hand on the table. I LOSE, he said. ALL I HAVE IS FOUR ONES.
Nah, for me personally it's just that I want to learn a power or 2. As psi-warrior fits better, but is wis-based, and only have 6th lvl powers. So I am going erudite that uses some psi-war powers. Rather than going both and tricking out 200+ powerpoints :p
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Better safe than sorry: (200d10)[7][5][2][4][9][5][4][3][4][7][9][10][8][3][7][7][1][10][1][10][4][10][2][5][10][5][1][2][8][7][2][1][4][10][5][10][1][6][6][5][5][2][4][9][10][9][8][1][4][3][1][9][3][5][9][6][6][6][4][5][3][9][5][6][4][1][9][6][2][7][4][6][4][10][8][5][6][4][2][4][7][3][9][9][9][2][9][7][4][4][7][5][9][1][5][1][10][9][8][9][7][3][3][6][9][1][2][6][6][5][1][3][10][4][3][9][2][3][5][8][10][9][9][1][5][7][7][4][1][9][2][5][3][6][1][10][7][6][5][8][8][10][2][8][2][2][2][5][8][2][2][9][3][8][10][2][3][10][10][9][2][9][3][7][4][5][1][6][3][6][10][8][3][6][3][7][1][4][3][5][8][7][7][8][1][5][7][5][10][9][10][6][1][3][9][8][5][8][7][9](1116)
That should be it for rolls for now :p
Can we be expecting traps btw?
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Of course, traps should always be expected. This is a race of genii, of creatures powerful enough to take over the universe at some point in the future (likely when they realize just how wasteful, gluttonous add lazy they are), and so deterrents to those that wish to intrude are practically mandatory. Considering the abilities that mind flayers have, there are just as many ingenious ways to get around those traps as there are ways to set them up. For example, there is a wooden door that you know to be trapped, and so one of the team's Psions has everyone back off enough for him to use Matter Agitation, set the door alight and destroy the trap, all while staying at a safe distance.
On the other hand, I play it that psionics and magic are both different kinds of energy, i.e. Dispel Psionics will not work on magical devices, and considering the nature of mind flayers, they will likely have some of both, so as to repel any and all sorts of unwanted guests. Luckily for us, we have examples of both.
__________________ FOUR QUEENS. HMM. THAT IS VERY HIGH.
Death looked down at his cards, and then looked up into Granny's steady, blue-eyed gaze.
Neither moved for some time.
Then Death laid the hand on the table. I LOSE, he said. ALL I HAVE IS FOUR ONES.
Mind I'f I keep my averages for followers, mostly because it should never come up. Also, I think swarmlings are supposed to have average, but I'll roll for em.
You can go ahead and use averages for your followers. It makes things much easier anyway.
__________________ FOUR QUEENS. HMM. THAT IS VERY HIGH.
Death looked down at his cards, and then looked up into Granny's steady, blue-eyed gaze.
Neither moved for some time.
Then Death laid the hand on the table. I LOSE, he said. ALL I HAVE IS FOUR ONES.
So long as you qualify, you're more than welcome to be an ulitharid. Just remember to know your place.
__________________ FOUR QUEENS. HMM. THAT IS VERY HIGH.
Death looked down at his cards, and then looked up into Granny's steady, blue-eyed gaze.
Neither moved for some time.
Then Death laid the hand on the table. I LOSE, he said. ALL I HAVE IS FOUR ONES.
Last edited by Manly Man : 09-25-2012 at 12:55 AM.
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