Eltain was whispering, and would have probably noticed by then if there was some kind of magic that made doing so irrelevant. He's not stupid. :P
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Eltain was whispering, and would have probably noticed by then if there was some kind of magic that made doing so irrelevant. He's not stupid. :P
Took me a long time to figure out what on earth you were talking about. I was going through the OOC thread trying to figure it out.
I'd assumed that Aramil/Asheroth had already mentioned Zyrr & Lu, but reading back I can see that this wasn't the case. I'll reword things in the IC post to make it a bit more apparent that Baalzebul doesn't know about Zyrr being free or why you're there.
Well technically I'm not talking about anything on earth so trying to figure out what on earth I was talking about would be fruitless.
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Heh, I figure it's what the Baalzebub used to look like.
An identical time-stamp to the IC post revealing that this is true? That's impressive.
Oh, Lucan (and others possibly, but definitely Lucan) would recognize the scaly humanoid as a male medusa. History check if you want to know any details.
Aww, that's the nicest compliment anyone's ever given Eltain. You know you've made it when an archduke of the hells specifically goes to the trouble of trying to troll you.
Anyone who's ever worked retail or been in a WalMart knows exactly the sort of smile Eltain is giving right now. That insincere 'we both know this is BS but I'm gonna paste it on anyway' smile.
Aww, warm fuzzies at the hand squeeze.
Eltain, master of maddeningly unhelpful answers.
Also, go go Gadget page spawn.
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And what of you, alter boy? Do you wish to explain what brings one of Coreelon's flunkies into the middle of the greatest army assembled this side of the dawn war?
Just want to point out... Gruumsh just killed a little kitten!
Yeah, Eltain's an altar boy. Zyrr's the alter boy.
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The best part of that is that it isn't edited, so Crankshaw called that Nat1 in advance. Awesome.
Here, let me show you how not to roll a History check.
(1d20+16)[32]
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Wow. Mentally I'd set the diplomacy DC for Zyrr to easy, then chuckled to mysefl when I still saw him roll so poorly. Just for kicks, I double-checked what the Easy DC was for this level.
A 16? Are they joking? Looks like Zyrr's a better seductrice than he realized!
The forum roller is slightly psychic and has an odd sense of humor; see everyone's history checks.
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Oh, a few lore explanations/changes based off a question Nai mentioned to me on twitter
1) I don't consider number the demons / devils to be infinite. Having Infinite armies is dumb, pointless, and doesn't make any sense (and makes any attempts to stop or curtail them dumb and pointless).
2) Similarly, the Abyss isn't infinite. Infinite things don't make sense. The way I see it, the Shard of Evil is forever burrowing into the fabric of the world, and is slowly creating new layers of the Abyss, but there aren't an arbitrary number of infinite layers (though there will continually be new layers generated. So right now there may be 1000 layers of the Abyss, but in a year or two there may bee 10001. The limit of layers of the Abyss as t-> infinity = infinity. )
Not sure if that makes a difference to most of you, but I know for people who grew up on 2e, the Blood War is a bit...pointless and unendable.
Hmm... a sudden silence in the IC and OOC thread right after a big post by the DM? Is one of those situations where everyone is looking at each other thinking "Wow...that's the DM's idea? It's pretty bad" but no one wants to say anything, or is it just a busy time for people and my paranoia is flaring?
Eltain has nothing to respond to and nothing he'd be doing at the moment, so there's no sense posting.
Also don't forget that while Zyrr just got a huge IC revelation, everyone else didn't, and are probably just considering their passive-agressive responses to phrase them as the appropriate sick burns.
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For me it's a combination.
1. In our portion of the IC thread, it seems like Aramil is up for a response.
2. I've been busy.
3. I'm really feeling like I need to read up on the blood war as well as the various fiends etc when I find some time. My nerd knowledge feels like it's failing me. I never really bothered reading up on this stuff, so I feel like Pavick would probably know a lot more about this all than I do right now.
As for your idea, I'm neither pleased nor displeased with it. I think it's probably a lot more exciting to people who know more about the inner workings of devil and/or demon society. Zorella's trinket coming back into things was not at all unexpected. It was already pretty much a given that what we brought back to her would come back to bite us and was tied into this whole situation. It doesn't take Elan to see that; it's just the way these stories work.
Ash could do a couple of things, which he is currently considering:
1) Turn on Meph and offer to kill him.
2) Fake turn on Meph and offer to kill him. Then offer to kill Baalzebul instead when Ash comes in contact with his Master.
3) Offer Meph the deaths of the other archdukes and Asmodeus for the safe extraction of everyone at the dinner, Zyrr and the Jammer crew plus Ash's soul returned.
4) Keep talking and hope he is Meph's last shot at redemption, so he saves Ash before Jabba kills him.
5) Shut up and most likely lose whatever loyalty points he had gained so far with his arena act.
6) Grovel to Jabba, lose loyalty with Meph, get out alive, but have no way of regaining his soul, most likely.
7) Attack Jabba, make Hzurr figure out his stats, get blown away by Slug Face and probably get everyone else in the room killed.
8) Something completely random like jumping on the table and dancing...
3. I'm really feeling like I need to read up on the blood war as well as the various fiends etc when I find some time. My nerd knowledge feels like it's failing me. I never really bothered reading up on this stuff, so I feel like Pavick would probably know a lot more about this all than I do right now.
No worries. Here's the super quick history (in 4e lore):
From outside the world, there was a Shard of Pure Evil™ that entered our reality and crashed into the elemental chaos. It corrupted everything around it, turning elementals into the first demons and some of the primordials into the first demon lords. It also corrupted one god (Tharzidun) who decided to claim it's power and destroy everything (because it was Pure Evil™).
Other gods stepped in, stopped Tharzidun before he could really get things going, and chained him at the bottom of the Abyss (which is why he's usually just called "The chained god"), and the unnamed god "He-Who-Was" (a god of protection, nature, and the creator of humans) set his chief angel down there to guard Tharzidun & the shard of evil.
Well, the chief angel (named Asmodeus) grew frustrated that the gods were losing the dawn war, and was slowly corrupted via proximity to the shard of pure evil. He took a sliver of the shard, convinced all the other angels to rebel with him, and killed He-Who-Was. Asmodeus led all the rebelling angels to war against the primordials, and helped keep the gods from losing the Dawn War. However, when He-Who-Was died, he cursed Asmodeus, all the rebelling Angels, and even his own Astral Dominion so that the angels changed to devils, and the astral dominion changed from a paradise to the 9 Hells.
(There was some other drama here about the other gods deciding whether or not to let Asmodeus in, and him tricking them into signing the Pact Primeval that I'll explain some other time).
So once the Dawn War started dying down, Asmodeus said "Hey, I was able to kill one god with just a little bit of the Shard of Pure Evil™. I'd really like to get the rest of it and dominate the cosmos." The Demons all looked around and said "Hey, we want to destroy all of reality, but we need the entire shard of pure evil to do it! How dare you take some of it!"
That's what the Blood War is. Asmodeus trying to get the rest of the Shard of Evil so he can take over the universe, and the Devils trying to get back what Asmodeus already stole so they can destroy the universe. For the last few hundred years, there's been a truce, mainly because neither side could gain the advantage.
The other bit that's relevant to the plot is the first big push that the Devils made. One of the Lords of the Nine, Graz'zt, lead the armies of Hell into the Abyss and captured one of the layers of the Abyss. However, eventually he said "Nope, screw you guys, the demons are right, let's destroy the universe!" and became one of the 3 most powerful demon princes. (So the big 3 demon princes are Orcus, Demogorgon, and Graz'zt).
The "big reveal" is that Graz'zt apparently has been playing the long con for Asmodeus for tens of thousands of years, and was secretly still working for Asmo. So now the Devils are getting ready to head back into the Abyss and finish the job Asmodeus started back during the Dawn War, get the shard at the heart of the Abyss, so he can take over the world.
Is that enough, or do you need more info?
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Zorella's trinket coming back into things was not at all unexpected. It was already pretty much a given that what we brought back to her would come back to bite us and was tied into this whole situation. It doesn't take Elan to see that; it's just the way these stories work.
Yep. Although in fairness, what I initially had planned was completely different, until during your first meeting with Zorella, Mando Knight asked if she had six fingers on her hand. That question basically changed the entire course of this plotline.
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1) Turn on Meph and offer to kill him.
2) Fake turn on Meph and offer to kill him. Then offer to kill Baalzebul instead when Ash comes in contact with his Master.
3) Offer Meph the deaths of the other archdukes and Asmodeus for the safe extraction of everyone at the dinner, Zyrr and the Jammer crew plus Ash's soul returned.
4) Keep talking and hope he is Meph's last shot at redemption, so he saves Ash before Jabba kills him.
5) Shut up and most likely lose whatever loyalty points he had gained so far with his arena act.
6) Grovel to Jabba, lose loyalty with Meph, get out alive, but have no way of regaining his soul, most likely.
7) Attack Jabba, make Hzurr figure out his stats, get blown away by Slug Face and probably get everyone else in the room killed.
8) Something completely random like jumping on the table and dancing...
Hmm...a large number of these options revolve around loyalty to one archfiend or another. You should really re-think that strategy. In the long run, it will never work out well.
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