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Old 10-02-2012, 01:31 PM   Top  -  End  -  #61
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I appreciate the politeness =) Apply at will, good sir.

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Old 10-02-2012, 02:24 PM   Top  -  End  -  #62
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Well there was something I was curious about. How do you want to handle the initiation quest thing for the Templar? The finding or building of a force weapon which I get without cost. Do you want me to factor in the cost to my starting funds, because that will be about all I have.
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Old 10-02-2012, 03:00 PM   Top  -  End  -  #63
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Well, in the spirit of fairness, I cannot hand out such a dangerous weapon for free. If you like, we can incorporate that quest to gain the materials and have it be an 'in process' deal. So you would be working towards a force weapon currently in other words.
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Old 10-02-2012, 03:08 PM   Top  -  End  -  #64
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I would love to be in this game but I only have access to the rogue trader sourcebooks and think there might be too much of a clash. *sighs and goes back to trawling the recruitmentposts looking for another RT game*
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Old 10-02-2012, 03:19 PM   Top  -  End  -  #65
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Well as I said I could blow all of my starting thrones but 5 and have the force sword, but that would leave me without armor, which is not good. To get the weapon I have to spend 2750 thones.

Edit: Also I cannot actually be a fully templar without one. I was wrong the upgrade is 3500 thones. But it can be added to a weapon later. I will just start with a nice sword and go from there lol. Building up to it as you said.

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Old 10-02-2012, 03:23 PM   Top  -  End  -  #66
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If it's low-priority, the Inquisition probably won't be handling it. It's someone else's job, like the Imperial Guard or planetary Enforcers, and if it turns out to be high-priority, they can always report it.

Also, why would the Inquisition take lowly recruits from the Arbites? How would they determine which ones they took? It's unlikely they, the Adeptus Arbites, recruit just anyone. Such a recruit likely has a potential value to the Arbites that make him something other than expendable.

If you survive those low priority, dangerous jobs though, for the Guard, or whoever, the Inquisition might pick you up.
The Inquisition measures priority differently than other people. Psyker-less and (likely) harmless cults, while worth checking out just in case, require people who aren't busy dealing with the full-blown warp incursion two planets over.

And really, why not from the Arbites? Starting acolytes, while still expendable in the eyes of the Inquisition, are stated to be people who are just better than your average human, if only in small ways. Since the Arbites probably already recruits those, saves you the trouble of weeding 'em out. Plus, there's the Arbites who get to see things that ought not to be seen, and are drafted rather than shot.

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Basically, my point is that the starting level for Dark Heresy should be about Rank 3 or 4, if you're working for the Inquisition. You shouldn't have attracted Inquisitorial notice with only 400 XP.
See, I disagree with you here. I suspect we're coming at this game from fundamentally different directions. I myself do like to hand out a bit of extra XP for starting characters, but rank 1 works just fine for a lot of things. Just not Battle Sisters. Those only work in high-rank games. Dark Heresy is... not really about already being awesome at the beginning. That's Rogue Trader. Dark Heresy is about starting off small, as a know-nothing acolyte barely worthy of the Inquisitor's notice who got picked up for one reason or another, and becoming awesome (and crazy) over a few adventures worth of horrific gribblies from nightmare attempting to eat you. The whole starting equipment and income and whatnot, which you seem to dislike, reflects this. Arbitrators don't start with 'standard issue' gear for full Arbitrators because they aren't supposed to. They haven't earned it, yet. A power weapon, or even a shock weapon, in Dark Heresy is a big deal, they aren't just going to hand them out.
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:53 PM   Top  -  End  -  #67
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A couple of rolls, to finalize some things.

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Old 10-02-2012, 08:26 PM   Top  -  End  -  #68
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Bait.

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Old 10-02-2012, 09:10 PM   Top  -  End  -  #69
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Please note I've added additional houserules to the initial post.

Disclaimer: I may raise the Corpus from 3 to 4 still, not positive.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:31 PM   Top  -  End  -  #70
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If your career/origin has a Trade (xyz) skill that you can reasonably explain why it should be a different one, please feel free. There's too many copyists in the galaxy.
That's cool. Can I exchange Trade (Copyist) for a more tech-priesty one? Armourer, Wright or Technomat.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:40 PM   Top  -  End  -  #71
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Go right ahead.

Are you sure you don't want scrimshawer?
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:54 PM   Top  -  End  -  #72
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Heh, nah, I'm good. If we come across any space-whales I will settle for turning their teeth into machine components rather than works of art.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:08 PM   Top  -  End  -  #73
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Everyone, I feel like I've already added/changed a large number of rules but I wanted to test the water with this:

How does everyone feel about BC's take on Firing modes and Swift/Lightning attack?

For those not familiar, Black Crusade (BC) changed single/semi-auto/full-auto fire to +10/+0/-10. This is compared to Dark Heresy (DH) +0/+10/+20.

This makes single, placed shots more accurate, and makes full-auto less of a 'no brainer'. It could also represent the added difficulty of keeping multiple shots on target but still allows for multiple hits.

The same mechanic was extended to melee in BC. Swift attack functioned like semi-auto; ie allowing an additional hit for every two degrees of success. And Lightning attack became melee's full auto; every DoS equaled another melee hit.

To counter this, dodge and parry became a DoS game too. If you were struck by 4 attacks in melee, rolled a successful dodge/parry test with 4 or more DoS, you evaded or parried aside each attack in the flurry.

Anyway, I wanted to toss that out to gauge response. I realize I've added or changed several things so if one or two people are strongly against this, no harm done and we can stick to the core rules.

If voted in, these actions will remain full actions and the afore mentioned RT rule: moving up to your Agi bonus while firing on semi or full auto will remain but effectively modify semi-auto while moving by -10 and full-auto by -20.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:15 PM   Top  -  End  -  #74
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Generally, BC rules are better in almost every instance and should supersede previous rules if theres any consideration to including them.

In other words, I vote yea
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:11 AM   Top  -  End  -  #75
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:37 AM   Top  -  End  -  #76
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I've never played Black Crusade, but I have heard the rules are an improvement on DH.

I have one concern, though... I may have the wrong impression, but am I right in thinking that Black Crusade characters are at more of a Deathwatch/Rogue Trader stat level than our Acolytes? Multiple degrees of success are often quite hard to come by when your baseline stat is 31; you might end up with a situation where the rapid-fire options just don't get used.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:57 AM   Top  -  End  -  #77
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I've never played Black Crusade, but I have heard the rules are an improvement on DH.

I have one concern, though... I may have the wrong impression, but am I right in thinking that Black Crusade characters are at more of a Deathwatch/Rogue Trader stat level than our Acolytes? Multiple degrees of success are often quite hard to come by when your baseline stat is 31; you might end up with a situation where the rapid-fire options just don't get used.
They do start with slightly higher stats (humans base is 25 + rolls/points). So there is a slight advantage there. That said, ranged weapons do benefit from the distance modifiers. If I'm not mistaken, 5000xp is about on par for a beginning RT character. Don't quote me on that however.

The situation you mentioned is a likely hood, where your average human is better off placing single shots rather than spraying bullets under this (BC) system. While an accomplished marksman has a better chance of landing several bullets on target. Within point blank range, however, multiple shots become more practical. I'm no shooter, but that seems about right.

Well, as I said, it's open to discussion and approval by all.
This is a game to be enjoyed, first and foremost, which places realism lower on the totem poll.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:19 AM   Top  -  End  -  #78
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I much prefer the Black Crusade multi-attack rules too. :)
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:12 AM   Top  -  End  -  #79
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The situation you mentioned is a likely hood, where your average human is better off placing single shots rather than spraying bullets under this (BC) system. While an accomplished marksman has a better chance of landing several bullets on target. Within point blank range, however, multiple shots become more practical. I'm no shooter, but that seems about right.
Makes sense to me. I'd be happy to give it a whirl - it'd be nice to get some first-hand experience to decide whether I should incorporate it into my own game.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:17 AM   Top  -  End  -  #80
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ANything that will boost my BS a little higher is good with me.

Excluding range, Gideon hits on 85 with a half action aim, and it can be a called shot for free.
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:52 AM   Top  -  End  -  #81
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Heh, forum was down for a couple days, but I'm sure you all noticed too!

I've spoken to Nexus RC Mina about linked backstories...

If anyone else is interested in such, we could do the same, and it could lead into using Cell Directives.

Also: I took Secret Tongue (Acolyte). It's always a good buy, but only if the whole cell takes it.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:28 AM   Top  -  End  -  #82
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Heh, forum was down for a couple days, but I'm sure you all noticed too!

I've spoken to Nexus RC Mina about linked backstories...

If anyone else is interested in such, we could do the same, and it could lead into using Cell Directives.

Also: I took Secret Tongue (Acolyte). It's always a good buy, but only if the whole cell takes it.
Ding-dong. Reporting in. Wonder if we've got an extension of the deadline, on account of the Almighty Forum Maintenance? Currently working on the backstory of friendly neighbourhood Enforcer Mithras Severus. Went against my usual policy of doing the backstory first because of the sheer scale of numbercrunching on this one.

And holy crap, looks like the Daemonica Electronica ate my reply to ye, Bluntpencil. Scratching out PM reply, take two, shortly. PM sent.
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Old 10-06-2012, 12:31 PM   Top  -  End  -  #83
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Wow. Does that happen often?

Wars have been started and won in less time.

I'll pick the 5 tonight (my night) in 8-10 hours.
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Old 10-06-2012, 02:04 PM   Top  -  End  -  #84
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Old 10-06-2012, 02:15 PM   Top  -  End  -  #85
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Wow, three Arbitrators?

Awesome. They're cool cats.
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:34 PM   Top  -  End  -  #86
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Woohoo! forums back! :D im still here, and my sheet is almost done, crunch is done, and the backstory is nearly so.
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:43 PM   Top  -  End  -  #87
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aand done.
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:29 PM   Top  -  End  -  #88
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Alright. Let me just say that choosing the characters was not easy. I would like to thank everyone that expressed interest.

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LCP: Septimus Shryke - Tech-Priest
Maugan Ra: 'Red' Fenria - Guards(wo)man
LeSwordfish: Gideon Van Haal - Assassin
ChaoticSky: Aria 'Babble' - Adept
Calimos: Marcus Reinhart - Arbitrator

Below is the link to the relevant threads. I'm working on the briefing currently.

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Old 10-06-2012, 10:45 PM   Top  -  End  -  #89
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Experiment Details

As hinted in the briefing, your cell is not the only group with interests in this matter.

There is another group of Radical acolytes hidden away on a private forum. This group has the same number as your own cell and their characters were created under the very same rules. While your direct objectives do not overlap, it is very likely (by design) that the two cells will come into contact.

And perhaps into conflict.

So when I hinted that this game may be more lethal than other Dark Heresy games, this is why. You will not only be up against the tasks and trials I’ll lay before you, but you will also be up against sentient, calculating, scheming players whose objectives may count you as an obstacle.

Some of you may be enjoying this idea, while others are hesitant. Allow me to use an example from my own gaming experience: EVE Online. When I first started that game, it seemed a slow paced yet graphically pretty monthly expense. It wasn’t until about two months in and about a day before I planned on moving on, that I was attacked by someone in my corporation for no other reason than he wanted to betray us all and take what we had (in EVE Online, when you lose something, you truly lose something - no respawns/body runs etc). This is where my love for the game began. I spent the next 6 months in a nemesis-level feud with this player and I recall every victory vividly. As much as I love creating fiction and fleshing out a persona, the only thing I’ve found better is being pitted against another human mind with something at stake.

Here, I seek to combine both of those.

My goal is to create a noteworthy story for each of your cells and to couple it with a truly memorable RPing experience by squaring you off against rival PCs. That said, if and when you are killed in this campaign, I’m afraid you are out for good. Fate Points can still be burned in an attempt to stay alive, but I cannot guarantee the following actions of the rival cells. While I don’t want to breed paranoia, I do want to give you the feeling of caution and an emotional investment in the action at hand. Allowing for cell replacement characters would sidestep that goal. Each cell should feel a real loss of an asset if they lose a man/woman.

The reason I withheld these details until now was so that everyone would create their character as they envisioned them without instead feeling pressured/enticed to create the best ‘PC killer’ they could. And again, all the rules and procedures you have worked with is the very same the other cell has utilized – no bias has been or will ever be given to either side on my end.
When one of you interacts with a rival cell’s PC, I will port over what they say and do (if visible/noticed) verbatim. I will NOT be telling you which NPCs you meet are in fact rival PCs unless you’re intelligence gathering has already confirmed their identity.

While I imagine it may be possible to locate the other cell in their own forum, I kindly ask you not to meta-game. This is to be a fun, exciting IN-CHARACTER experience. Cheating and power gaming will not be tolerated. If I suspect you of having tracked down the other thread to gain the upper hand, I will rain Ork Roks upon your head. So please, have integrity and keep this game clean – don’t peak at the xmas presents early!

So, also of note, certain skills that take x hours or y days now matter. In previous games, time mattered little when there was no pressing hurry as long as the roll succeeded. Being the faster in this game could spell the difference between one cell arriving in time to intervene and arriving too late.

Lastly, this is the first and last time I’ll give intel on the cells without earned footwork by the acolytes: both cells are currently on Scintilla. Yes, it’s a big planet. I know that.

Well there you have it. If there are any questions, please PM me until the OOC thread has all sheets in it. Once that’s done, post away there. The briefing will be up within the next 24 hours. I wanted to get this up so that each of you may digest it and toss any questions you may have at me. For now, your character sheets are locked in. No retroactive changes that may enable you to better handle a PC. I will be offering a handful of xp and Cell Directive packages to each group for last minute additions prior to starting. The details of that will follow with the briefing.

Last note: please keep an open mind and hold on to a friendly competitive spirit. The opposite of this would be stressful, petty actions. While I certainly understand and even promote IC differences and even hostilities, keep it civil otherwise. In other words, keep this experiment enjoyable for all and make the most of the situation you’ve found your character in. Every hardship for a character is an opportunity for great narrative for the player. And if your character should meet his end, as bitter as it may be, I challenge you to make it a commendable ending to that character.

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Old 10-06-2012, 11:13 PM   Top  -  End  -  #90
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That's a cool idea. I've thought about something similar in the past (multiple groups on the same side), but been deterred by the practicalities of it... you're going to have to keep us on a pretty strict posting schedule to keep the two groups in sync.

I am excited! Thank you for accepting Septimus. Sheet is up.
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