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A base save of 50-60 won't cut it against my character
Heck my Cohort's Cohorts will be hitting twice that number are they are lvl40. Before even trying to optimize them.
And I have 16 of them just from 1 source
And they are all Fine so have fun trying to hit them
16 lvl40 Tristalt Fine Construct Cohorts
4 lvl45 Tristalt Fine Construct Cohorts
1 lvl49 (unknown) Cohort
1 lvl48 (unknown Cohort
Probably some more...
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I'm kinda waiting to see at least one other character so I know how much to optimize. I'd say we're in the range of ~+50 Saves and ~60+ AC, right?
I would say aim for the hundreds, likely the high hundreds.
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I'm affraid I've got you beat on the minions count Anecron, taking the archmage Spell-like ability power for body outside of body twice and the epic hero \'s epic arcana for it once nets me 1,771,560 clones with a single casting of the spell each day. Not that minions are likely to matter all that much, taking signature move for Mystery-God's Clear Existence makes you flat out immune to anything which doesn't have a divine rank greater than or equal to your own anyway.
EDIT: Actually, make that 3,138,428,376,720 clones. Turns out I have room for 5 archmage levels.
How do you get that many copies? Your CL can't be that high
Except all my Cohorts are Generals
We are the nukes. It is our job to do the political aspect and act as a deterrent for the other nukes not to go off
My Class levels are to make a nuke, make an army and capitalize my Cohort numbers. My Cohorts jobs are to make Cohort2s and increase my army. And provide some buffs too if possible
My Cohort2s job is to buff. They are going to be dessiminated in my populace and my armies, leading my church and sounding the Drums of War to gue bonuses to my armies
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Clones lose spellcasting but the keep anything else you have, including spell-like and supernatural abilities. So I cast the spell once at CL 50 and there's 11 of me. Each of those 11 have Body Outside Body once per day as a supernatural ability and 10 times per day as a spell like ability. All of them use the supernatural ability and then there's 121 of me with Body outside of Body 10/day as a spell like ability each of them use that... Exponential growth is fun.
Could you please answer the following questions?
1) Does what the Immortals Handbook says should be replaced by feats in the Immortals Handbook get replaced, is it our choice? Something else?
2) Is epic spellcasting allowed?
3) Do we follow the ELH saying that characters with PC/PrC classes count as higher level?
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1. I believe it's optional. Though DM has final decision
2. I really really hope not
3. What? I need to brush up on my Epiclevel stuff but I don't see having class levels counting for more than nonclass levels could be a rule
EDIT: @Saidoro:
Except that they have 1/4 HP. Then 1/16 and so on. And that's their max HP
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HOLY MOTHER OF CRAP!
I go away for a couple of hours, and i have 66 Replies, And 3 pages?
AWESOME!
Also, Watch for homebrew approval here.
Igneel? Cutting into my soft spot with the LA/Ecl=hd their are we not?
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Creature of Legend Tarrasque VoP Fix (will have to do lvls 41-50) Epic Hero
Anything Epic-wise from this post
ECL = HD for certain Monster races (dragons for example) if they don't have monster classes/HD+LA to make them playable.
"The true purpose of the Tarrasque comes into being. To slay all the gods and their creations. The Tarrasque becomes fully immune to all salient divine abilities and epic magic, and can freely use his reality bend ability to enter any private realms (assuming it has heard about them). The tarrasque also becomes immune to artifacts and can destroy any such trinket by swallowing them."
Not immune to abilites above Salient abilites however.
Dragons are ECL=HD only them for right now.
All approved-esque
Librim Eternia: Tome of Epic Prestige Is allowed, Dont abuse it.
Are allowed. Some one shares my enthusasim! YAA!...
Hey Rweird:
1) Does what the Immortals Handbook says should be replaced by feats in the Immortals Handbook get replaced, is it our choice? Something else?
2) Is epic spellcasting allowed?
3) Do we follow the ELH saying that characters with PC/PrC classes count as higher level?
1) is kinda confuseing
2) Duh yes.
3) For Followers? Nope, They count as the level you have them at.
Also, yes, I did steal something stolen.
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-Subtract 50,000 GP from your starting wealth total. You're a noble of some sort. Not a king, but you have some influence in one country. You probably have a nice mansion. Any magical enhancements or protections on this mansion still cost gold.
This requires very little explanation. You could be born into it, strong-armed your way, etc.
-Subtract 100,000 GP from your starting wealth total. You are the high priest of a small religion. The deity's actual divine rank doesn't matter, only how many worshipers it has. Your religion is relatively unknown - few have heard of your god, you only have a few temples or underground cult chapters (If a seedier religion.) You worship a weak god, an imprisoned god, an elder evil, or other obscure divine force. You have access to 40 1st level clerics, 20 3rd level clerics, 10 5th level clerics, and one 10th level cleric. In addition, you have 300 nonclerics who have 1 level in a PC class, 150 2nd level nonclerics who have 1 level in a PC class, 50 of 5th level, and 2 of 10th level.
Finally, you have 400 members of NPC classes, 90% of which are 1st level.
-Subtract 200,000 GP from your starting wealth total. You're the ruler of a small kingdom (less than 10,000 inhabitants). You have access to a military of a size you choose that cannot exceed more than 50% of the population. These are 1st level warriors, with one 5th level character per 1000 men. You may want to take the leadership feat in order to add more high-level people to your army. A general as a cohort might be a good idea. Or another PC could be your general.
You may have a castle, palace, or other royal dwelling of your choice. This is free once you buy this, but any enhancements or protections are not.
NOTE: If you take this, you're going to have to provide some explanation of your kingdom's government and how you got the kingdom. Inheritance is fine, but boring.
-Subtract 300,000 GP from your starting wealth total. You are the high priest of a medium-sized religion. Most people have probably heard of your god and probably of you too. You have access to 100 1st level clerics, 50 2nd level clerics, 25 3rd level clerics, 20 5th level clerics, and 2 10th level clerics. In addition, you have access to 200 1st level nonclerics with PC classes, 100 2nd, 25 3rd, and 5 5th.
There are 5,000 people with NPC class levels who follow your religion, and 90% of them are 1st level. You must be able to cast 8th level divine spells to take this.
-Subtract 500,000 GP from your starting wealth total. You rule a medium sized kingdom, with approximately 50,000 inhabitants. You may have a military composing no more than 45% of the population, most of them 1st level warriors with a one 5th level character per 1000 men, and one 10th level character per 5000 men. Again, consider taking leadership and explain how you got it.
NOTE: Add CRx100,000 GP if you wish to rule a kingdom of beings with a challenge rating 1 or higher. For example, if you want to rule a medium kingdom of elves, it costs 500,000 GP. If you want to rule a medium kingdom of Drow, it costs 600,000 GP.
-Subtract 1,000,000 GP from your starting wealth. You are the high priest of a well known god. You have access to 1000 1st level clerics, 500 2nd level clerics, 500 3rd level clerics, 100 5th level clerics, 20 10th level clerics, and 3 15th level clerics. In addition, you have access to 1000 1st level nonclerics, 1000 2nd level nonclerics, 500 3rd level nonclerics, 400 fifth level nonclerics, 100 tenth level nonclerics, and 20 fifteenth level nonclerics. In addition, there are 50,000 members of NPC classes who follow your religion. You must be able to cast 9th level divine spells to take this.
-Subtract 1,300,000 GP from your starting wealth. You are the ruler of a large kingdom containing 500,000 inhabatants. You may have a military consisting of up to 40% of these inhabitants in which the standard soldier is a level 1 Warrior, there is one 5th level character per 1000 men, one 10th level character per 5000 men, and one level 15 character per 50,000 men
-Subtract 1,000,000 GP from your starting wealth. You are the high priest of a well known god. You have access to 1000 1st level clerics, 500 2nd level clerics, 500 3rd level clerics, 100 5th level clerics, 20 10th level clerics, and 3 15th level clerics. In addition, you have access to 1000 1st level nonclerics, 1000 2nd level nonclerics, 500 3rd level nonclerics, 400 fifth level nonclerics, 100 tenth level nonclerics, and 20 fifteenth level nonclerics. In addition, there are 50,000 members of NPC classes who follow your religion. You must be able to cast 9th level divine spells to take this.
-Subtract 7,500,000GP from your starting wealth. You are the high priest of a major religion devoted to one of the domonant gods. You have acess to 10,000 1st level clerics, 5,000 2nd level clerics, 1000 3rd level clerics, 500 5th level clerics, 100 tenth level clerics, 20 15th level clerics, 10 20th level clerics, and 4 25th level clerics, you also have acess to 10,000 1st level nonclerics, 5,000 2nd level nonclerics, 1000 3rd level nonclerics, 500 5th level nonclerics, 100 tenth level nonclerics, 20 15th level nonclerics, 10 20th level nonclerics, and 4 25th level nonclerics, in addition there are 100,000 follower of your religion out in the world willing to aid you.
-Subtract 100,000 for a small information network through which you hear the going ones of other nations, or subtract 1,000,000 for a large one that has far reaching influences with spies wherever they can possibly gain access.
-Subtract 6,000,000 GP from your starting wealth. You are the ruler of a major kingdom containing 3,000,000 inhabitants. You may have a military consisting of up a third of these inhabitants as level 1 warriors, There is one 5th level character per 1000 men, one 10th level character ofr every 5000 men, one 15th level character per 50,000 men, one 20th level character per 250,000 men, and one level 25 character per 500,000 men.
-Subtract 2,000,000 GP From your staring wealth, you have managed to magically lift a chunk of land from the ground, it moves at a speed of 5', and can suport a civilization.
OTHER ORGANIZATIONS: Basically, take the listed costs and rules for the high priest ones, change them so they read appropriately. I.E. A wizarding organization has access to wizards rather than clerics, and where it reads "noncleric" it should now read "nonwizard." You must then be able to cast 9th level arcane spells, rather than 9th level divine spells.
You cannot be the high priest of more than one religion. Being a high priest or runner of a wizarding ordrer is different from having a kingdom. Most of the clerics just run temples or secret cults, and the followers are followers of the religion, not minions. You can rally some of them together or task them with a specific mission once in awhile, but they do not solely do your building. Basically, you don't have an army, you have a support base. You may have one paladin type (Slaughter/Tyranny, Antipaladin, etc.) per 500 members of your religion. These aren't in addition to your followers, you may simply have them among your followers. These guys are your champions, and actually do do your bidding.
And yes, The Mighty Nation Of Dragons, Lead by the God Wyrm, Izeldias, And his Queen, Tiamat.
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I'll potentially add Cosmic Horror later, but right now I need to work on seeing what capabilities I have, need and can get.
Better to work from a smaller base and expand than a large bad and have to cut off pieces you really loved
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Concerning the new rules and buying a kingdom of higherCR creatures:
Is it possible to treat 2class levels of a Far Realms being as CR2? Or CR3 if I have to count the Human Base?
So I can have a population of more Abberant beings than normal
Basically converting 2 class levels into a LA+2 template
Also with Cohorts: are they Normal, Gestalt or Tristalt?
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1) is kinda confuseing
2) Duh yes.
3) For Followers? Nope, They count as the level you have them at.
I mean the immortals handbook says replace improved spell capacity, extra spell slot (possibly something else, I forget) with a feat that gives you 1 level of metamagic free (I forget its name).
Anecronwashere: It was for followers under epic leadership, I know i didn't make it clear, sorry.
HOLY MOTHER OF CRAP!
I go away for a couple of hours, and i have 66 Replies, And 3 pages?
AWESOME!
Also, Watch for homebrew approval here.
Then watch the interest die as people realize how much book-keeping and whatnot there is...
And whats wrong with updating the first/second post with said requests as well? Much easier to remember then 'find x page of the thread' after 10's of pages go by.
Quote:
Igneel? Cutting into my soft spot with the LA/Ecl=hd their are we not?
Spoiler
Creature of Legend Tarrasque VoP Fix (will have to do lvls 41-50) Epic Hero
Anything Epic-wise from this post
ECL = HD for certain Monster races (dragons for example) if they don't have monster classes/HD+LA to make them playable.
"The true purpose of the Tarrasque comes into being. To slay all the gods and their creations. The Tarrasque becomes fully immune to all salient divine abilities and epic magic, and can freely use his reality bend ability to enter any private realms (assuming it has heard about them). The tarrasque also becomes immune to artifacts and can destroy any such trinket by swallowing them."
Not immune to abilites above Salient abilites however.
Dragons are ECL=HD only them for right now.
All approved-esque
Pulling a drack by answering requests/posts the hard way huh? I have to say this is quite the case of drack-throphy if I've ever seen it. Its like lycanthropy, but instead of turning into a badass wolf you turn into a very cynical and sarcastic man who likes to toy with his players emotions...
Yeah, what of it? Sadly it still doesn't come close to the one monster I want to play... Damn you Time Dragon for being so epic!
Maybe I'll do my best to try and replicate it through class features and whatnot.
And I figured, as that particular monster class was designed with Deities and Demigods in mind which is the apex of their power as opposed to the IHB which builds off of it like Salient Abilities are akin to feats for mortals. But at the very least that would grant me somewhat of a blanket protection from lesser beings .
And I think that's enough for now, at least enough that someone is sure to find something they like
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"Words ought to be chosen with greater care then either clothing or weaponry. For they can last much longer than the former, and cut deeper than the latter." -Doomraga's Revenge by T.A. Barron
So what is the level adjustment for the paragon template?
Most Dms I've seen allow it anywhere from +9-15 LA, but considering that for some builds they can get DvR with no LA for practically free I don't know how Shady will deal with that.
Still kinda debating between two-three build/character ideas one of which is more then likely not going to pan out as well as I would like for a largely 'Cold War-esque' nation game where people can threaten to nuke just as easily as they don't have to.
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"Words ought to be chosen with greater care then either clothing or weaponry. For they can last much longer than the former, and cut deeper than the latter." -Doomraga's Revenge by T.A. Barron
I'm operating on the assumption that unleashing a Nuke is last resort.
Where you call your allies, your opponent calls theirs and they duke it out, the surviving side divvies up the lad that was owned by the now dead players.
So the main combat is who can get a better, more numerous army while still maintaining their gain of Nukepower to stay level with the rest (because fall too low and your allies abandon you and your enemies call you out in complete confidence of winning)
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Yeah... The more I think about it the more I don't think a 'God of Destruction and Carnage'-styled character would really work out for a nations game besides to wage war and what not... Or at least I don't think I would be able to create one Optimized enough to actually best represent what he stands for ^-^;
Which leads me to debating between...
1) A stylized Goddess similar to the Triple Goddess from Wicca, one called the Maiden (promise of new beginnings, birth, youth and youthful enthusiasm, represented by the waxing moon), the Mother (fertility, sexuality, fulfillment, stability, power and life represented by the full moon), and the Crone (wisdom, repose, death, and endings represented by the waning moon)
and
2) A god of Time
I'm kinda leaning towards the first one personally, just got to figure out how to best represent the three sides of one person...
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"Words ought to be chosen with greater care then either clothing or weaponry. For they can last much longer than the former, and cut deeper than the latter." -Doomraga's Revenge by T.A. Barron
Look in the Homebrew section, there is a new one about Personas.
Basically multiple-personality disorder for PCs.
Maybe that could help you set down how you want to Roleplay your 3-sided Wiccan
Kinda hard to do being limited to my Google-fu, but is this it?
If it is, add that to my request pile Shady!
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Hmm, I'm considering tossing my hat in with an NPC from the other nations game that I've been reserving for anyone who broke reality too badly, would that be cool? Should only take about twenty minutes to pull all the pieces I have lying around here together for it, but it may be a bit high op for this... What kinda op are we thinking again?
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