This was the most positively loveless show I have seen.
Its all so...commercial, and EXTREME! And bluegh.
There is no passion, no love in this show. The animation has a very ugly quality to it (How proportions kind of shift....Its very off-putting) and wow is this commercial (Yes I know all Batman is commercial but this was more-so).
I can just see a bunch of corporate board members sitting around a table going:
"Alright. Freeze. How can we make his toy sell better? I know! Remove all traces of that stupid "Characterization" (Makes the toys sell worse) remove that OLD design and replace it with an EXTREME "Freeze attack using bad guy of the month" type design! And lets see what we can do with Harley Quin!"
All villains feel like their made to make their toys sell better. And thats OK in terms of character design but they retain not even the spirit of any kind of Batman incarnation. They have no soul. You can just replace their names with:
"Plant Bad guy, Freezing bad guy, Hulk Bad guy, Bird Bad Guy, Fire Bad guy" and feel no difference.
And Im sorry if you liked this show. Maybe you can point me towards some better episodes?
Hey, I loved this show when I was younger! Not as much as Batman: TAS or Beyond but I still watched nine kinds of crap out of it! How dare you have a different opinion from me !
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On a note actually related to the show, I think it became really good in the third season. Once Doctor Hugo Strange showed up, it got awesome. And I liked the Joker's design. And I'm pretty sure from what I remember Robin was pretty awesome too
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Anyway, I can respect it for wanting to try some new designs and concepts with the Batman mythos and trying a different visual style from the amazing BTAS, but the end result? Maybe it got better, but I didn't make it through the first season. Hey it won 6 Daytime Emmys so someone must have liked something about it.
While nowhere near as iconic as later and earlier designs, as a character, The Batman's Joker worked well as the Joker.
What I didn't like were the tiny 'ears' on the Batsuit.
They are really part of his iconic silhouette. Taking them away didn't work for me.
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While nowhere near as iconic as later and earlier designs, as a character, The Batman's Joker worked well as the Joker.
What I didn't like were the tiny 'ears' on the Batsuit.
They are really part of his iconic silhouette. Taking them away didn't work for me.
Curiosly enough I don't really like the massive pointy ears in some designs like in Arkham city/asylum the best design in my opinion being from B:TAS and Young Justice.
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Eh, it got ...better... towards the end. Not as good as any Batman cartoon in about 20 years before it, but still it managed to be vaguely entertaining towards the end.
The only thing I can really say I liked was Robin with a jetpack. I mean I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen Robin with a jetpack and it's usually one of the best things about him just because of how FUN it is(and that, unfortunately, most of those things tend to be badly written).
This was the most positively loveless show I have seen.
Its all so...commercial, and EXTREME! And bluegh.
There is no passion, no love in this show. The animation has a very ugly quality to it (How proportions kind of shift....Its very off-putting) and wow is this commercial (Yes I know all Batman is commercial but this was more-so).
I can just see a bunch of corporate board members sitting around a table going:
"Alright. Freeze. How can we make his toy sell better? I know! Remove all traces of that stupid "Characterization" (Makes the toys sell worse) remove that OLD design and replace it with an EXTREME "Freeze attack using bad guy of the month" type design! And lets see what we can do with Harley Quin!"
All villains feel like their made to make their toys sell better. And thats OK in terms of character design but they retain not even the spirit of any kind of Batman incarnation. They have no soul. You can just replace their names with:
"Plant Bad guy, Freezing bad guy, Hulk Bad guy, Bird Bad Guy, Fire Bad guy" and feel no difference.
And Im sorry if you liked this show. Maybe you can point me towards some better episodes?
And there is a smiley on top to spite Dr.Epic.
Okay, one question: who the heck is this Dr. Epic guy you mentioned in your last line? He one of the super villains on the show?
Curiosly enough I don't really like the massive pointy ears in some designs like in Arkham city/asylum the best design in my opinion being from B:TAS and Young Justice.
Perhaps, but the little nubs were a step too far in the opposite direction in my opinion.
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PS: Anyone else remember the horrible penguin episode?
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PS: Anyone else remember the horrible penguin episode?
.. Wich one ? You may have to narrow it down.
(... By wich I mean you may have to narrow it down to a series first.
Has there even been ANY good episode involving the Penguin ? (even in 'almost got him', wich is an excellent episode from TAS, his role got to be the lamest.
Only time he had a half decent design was in second part of TAS, were he was just a fence and mobster, and then he appeard maybe ONCE)
I'm not blamming The batman for what they tried to do with the character (yes even the stupid martial arts and the kabuki twins (wihose design i actualy kinda liked by the way, they were nicely menacing and creepy). It failed but it's not really an easy character to work with.
And speaking of villain hard to work with, a lot of The batman redesign were kinda meh, but I will give the series credit for managing a decent job on the riddler.
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.. well it was kind of stupid, really.
I mean what kind of logic is "my wife is dead, wahhhh, now I'm going to freeze you all" ? The crimes he commit don't seem to fit the supposed motive, I never really bought it.
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The action itself was decent. I wouldn't put this show in the same lines as TAS or JLU or Brave and the Bold, but it was fun enough to watch as long as you weren't trying to hold it up to the pedestals of the other versions.
There's still quite a few facepalm moments though. Way too many episodes involving Penguin. Mr. Freeze is closer to the Joel Schumacher version than anything else. And Poison Ivy is a teenage girl? Really? That doesn't come off as creepy?
But I will say that the show's version of Clayface was done very well, as were a few Hugo Strange episodes that I can remember.
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Also: The Penguin had a good episode. Where he tried to end his villainous ways, but hated being treated like a sideshow attraction.
Other fairly good Penguin Eps:
The one were he steals the super military helicopter and unknowingly blinds Batman, who at the time is going around as Bruce Wayne.
The one were Two-Face Kidnaps himself from the hospital while there putting him in for surgery to keep the Harvey Dent side form suppressing him, Penguin is one of the guys **** Grayson's Robin and Batman suspect initially.
And the one where he's bidding on the Video Hugo Strange is Auctioning off reveling Bruce Wayne is Batman.
I liked it better in the early seasons; the retool to bring things closer to the "standard" Batman depiction felt kind of sudden and forced. In particular:
The subplot of Batman slowly coming to trust Batgirl as a partner is leapfrogged by introducing Robin and having Batman trust him instantly.
Did you really need to replace Clayface with a different guy? This show's version of Clayface was one of its best characters.
I liked Detective Yin. Granted, I liked Batgirl too, and you'd have to introduce Commisioner Gordon along with her (at which point he would overshadow Yin).
Gordon sets up the Batsignal even though he already has a more reliable way to communicate with Batman.
I liked that future episode with all those homages to the comics, movies and The Dark Knight Returns.
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I thought the first season was wobbly, the second was pretty solid, the third was wobbly again, and I gave up in the fourth. It was at its best when treading new ground, and at its worst when holding to old stereotypes.
The animation style also took some getting used to. Was never really a big fan.
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I liked it better in the early seasons; the retool to bring things closer to the "standard" Batman depiction felt kind of sudden and forced. In particular:
The subplot of Batman slowly coming to trust Batgirl as a partner is leapfrogged by introducing Robin and having Batman trust him instantly.
Did you really need to replace Clayface with a different guy? This show's version of Clayface was one of its best characters.
I liked Detective Yin. Granted, I liked Batgirl too, and you'd have to introduce Commisioner Gordon along with her (at which point he would overshadow Yin).
Gordon sets up the Batsignal even though he already has a more reliable way to communicate with Batman.
I liked that future episode with all those homages to the comics, movies and The Dark Knight Returns.
I liked the later seasons just cause it was nice to see it a bit more modernized, and I liked seeing Nightwing and Tim Drake as Robin. I love Tim Drake, and I think **** is at his best as Nightwing.
You mean the guy in the battlesuit that later in the series gained actual powers but was overloading so that they had to use liquid nitrogen to defeat him?
I could be wrong about that last bit but i think that was the gist of it...
Oh and they're using that same character as a villain in the new Arrow series I think sometime next year...
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