2/28/2013 - Update on Thumb
12/31/2012 - There's a New Comic
12/12/2012 - The "Lost" Holiday Ornament (and Child's Play)
11/26/2012 - Leftover OOTS Swag on Sale (+Thumb Report)
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

Order of the Stick 889 Get Real
Erfworld 163 The End of Book One
Erfworld Now at Erfworld.com!
RSS Feeds: OOTS

The Duke's Wolf, Part Four by Amber E. Scott
The Duke's Wolf, Part Three by Amber E. Scott
The Duke's Wolf, Part Two by Amber E. Scott

The New World, Part 9: Barbarians by Rich Burlew
The New World, Part 8: Gnomes by Rich Burlew
The New World, Part 7: Names and Cultures by Rich Burlew
Looking for the Gaming Articles?

 



Welcome back! Be sure you have read and understand the Forum Rules.


Go Back   Giant in the Playground Forums > Gaming > Roleplaying Games > D&D 3e/3.5e/d20
Register FAQ Members List Mark Forums Read End

D&D 3e/3.5e/d20 The forum for conversations specifically related to the rules and procedures of Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition, 3.5 Edition, or any fantasy game using the d20 system or a variant thereof (commercially published or not).

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-29-2012, 04:41 PM   Top  -  End  -  #1
LordotheMorning
Halfling in the Playground
 
HalflingRogueGuy
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Default Question about Project Image

I'm playing a Shadowcaster//Telflammar Shadowlord in a campaign, and I recently picked up the spell Ephemeral Image (which is for all intents and purposes Project Image but with concealment). This spell seems to have a lot of potential, especially for a stealthy character who can hide while the image does the work. My questions are thus:

You can deliver spells through a projected image, including touch spells. Can you, therefore, deliver a full attack with a spell such as Chill Touch, which has multiple charges?

Since the text says the image mimics you unless otherwise directed, could you then proceed to make a full attack on a creature and have the image mimic that full attack (providing the image is facing the target while mimicking you)?

Does disbelief of the image mean that you are no longer subject to the spells it delivers? I wouldn't think so, seeing as how the spells are still real, but I thought I'd ask.

Does being attacked by the image constitute interaction (thus entitling you to a save)?
LordotheMorning is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2012, 06:08 PM   Top  -  End  -  #2
tuggyne
Troll in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: 
Pondering turns of phrase
Gender: Male
Default Re: Question about Project Image

Basing this off of project image, since I don't have access to ephemeral image.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LordotheMorning View Post
You can deliver spells through a projected image, including touch spells. Can you, therefore, deliver a full attack with a spell such as Chill Touch, which has multiple charges?
I don't see why not.

Quote:
Since the text says the image mimics you unless otherwise directed, could you then proceed to make a full attack on a creature and have the image mimic that full attack (providing the image is facing the target while mimicking you)?
Probably, although it won't have any additional effect beyond perhaps confusing enemies.

Quote:
Does disbelief of the image mean that you are no longer subject to the spells it delivers? I wouldn't think so, seeing as how the spells are still real, but I thought I'd ask.
I believe it only allows you to note which version is real, and perhaps ignore physical attacks. Since it's a (shadow) spell, it's actually got some reality to it.

Quote:
Does being attacked by the image constitute interaction (thus entitling you to a save)?
Probably.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Water_Bear View Post
That's RAW for you; 100% Rules-Legal, 110% silly.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
"Common sense" and "RAW" are not exactly on speaking terms
Homebrew Sigbox and Quotebox are overflow. RACSD and Top Ten fix and highlight some 3.5 rough spots. See also Gentlemen's Agreement.

Anyone knows blue is for sarcas'ing in · Use of gray may indicate nitpicking · Green is sincerity · "Take 10 SAN damage from Dark Orchid"
I often hop into threads for just one thing
Jezrald Ceikatar · ​CitP · ​Catgirl-Killers Society
tuggyne is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2012, 11:15 PM   Top  -  End  -  #3
LordotheMorning
Halfling in the Playground
 
HalflingRogueGuy
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Default Re: Question about Project Image

Quote:
Originally Posted by tuggyne View Post
Probably, although it won't have any additional effect beyond perhaps confusing enemies.
Well, if you've got Chill Touch or Umbral Touch it does. One could theoretically place the image ten feet in front himself so that it mirrors his actions, and then charge the enemy, and have the image end up behind the enemy. Or he could place it directly beside himself and attack a large or bigger creature. The image attacks with a touch attack while I attack with a weapon. It would take some setup, but you could even arrange to have your image flank for you while the two of you attack simultaneously..
LordotheMorning is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2012, 03:51 PM   Top  -  End  -  #4
LordotheMorning
Halfling in the Playground
 
HalflingRogueGuy
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Default Re: Question about Project Image

Final bump. Anyone else have a thought?
LordotheMorning is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2012, 04:02 PM   Top  -  End  -  #5
Rejakor
Banned
 
SolithKnightGuy
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: 
Sydnah, Australia
Gender: Male
Default Re: Question about Project Image

Tuggyne appears to be correct.

If you could be in full cover from one observer while attacking someone, while your image is in full view attacking the same enemy, they could waste attacks on it definitely.

If they disbelieve, they see it as a shadowy cutout, but it can still deliver touch spells at them.
Rejakor is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:14 PM.



Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Usage of this site, including but not limited to making or editing a post or private message or the creation of an account, constitutes acceptance of the Forum Rules.