Nightmare spinner dip

[starship1]

on a gestalt (both sides can advance prestige classes) beguiler/fullcaster//illusionist wizard/master specialist/ultimate magus

worth it?

pros: will save bump, and double extra spell slots

cons: not really many class features


sigh... I wish there were more illusionist prestige class, not shadowX where x is (adept, crafter)

[Darius Kane]

Dual casting classes technically aren't allowed in gestalt.

[starship1]

since when is nightmare spinner a dual class? ultimate magus is ok, says the DM (ME) this is for a new player, who loves the idea of having all the illusions.

[Darius Kane]

It's helpful and considered good manners to state such things beforehand. We can't know all your houserules after all, and we can't read minds.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Originally Posted by starship1

this is for a new player, who loves the idea of having all the illusions.

Spoiler

Throw on some Shadowcraft Mage and you're good. Check out the Shadowcraft Mage Handbook to get some background on that, but keep in mind it's fairly limited by the player's knowledge of what evocations and conjurations he can emulate.

If you're going to use Nightmare Spinner, you may as well include Dread Witch from Heroes of Horror. Get the feat Dreadful Wrath (PGtF) or Frightful Presence (Draconomicon p106) and learn Aura of Terror (SpC) for greater effect. Maybe check out the Fear Handbook for more information on that, but stacking fear effects can quickly get out of hand. I'd definitely include some Prestige Bard to get Inspire Awe and Doomspeak if you're doing that.

[nedz]

Originally Posted by Biffoniacus_Furiou

Throw on some Shadowcraft Mage and you're good. Check out the Shadowcraft Mage Handbook to get some background on that, but keep in mind it's fairly limited by the player's knowledge of what evocations and conjurations he can emulate.

Well here's a starter kit

Eligible Shadow Conjurations

1st	2nd	3rd	4th
PH
Grease	Fog Cloud	Phantom Steed
Mount	Glitterdust	Sepia Snake Sigil
Obscuring Mist	Melf's Acid Arrow	Sleet Storm
Unseen Servant	Summon Swarm	Stinking Cloud
	Web	Summon Monster III
SpC
Buzzing Bee	Cloud of Bewilderment	Acid Breath
Corrosive Grasp	Ice Knife	Contageous fog
Hail of Stone	Inky Cloud	Corpse Candle
Orb of <*>, lesser	Malevolent Miasma	Ice Lance
Wall of Smoke		Nauseating Breath
		Regal Procession
		Servant Horde
		Summon Undead III
CMage
Resinous Tar	Incendiary Slime	Caustic Smoke

Eligible Shadow Evocations

1st	2nd	3rd	4th
PH
Burning Hands	Continual Flame	Daylight	Fireshield
Magic Missile	Darkness	Fireball	Ice Storm
Shocking Grasp	Flaming Sphere	Leomund's Tiny Hut	Otiluke's Res Sphere
Tensor's Floating Disk	Gust of Wind	Lightning Bolt	Shout
	Scorching Ray	Windwall	Wall of Fire
	Shatter		Wall of Ice
SpC
Blood Wind	Battering Ram	Blacklight	Blistering Radience
Guiding Light	Blast of Force	Blade of Fear and Pain	Defenstrating Sphere
Ice Dagger	Burning Sword	Capricious Zephyr	Dragon Breath
Luminous Gaze	Combust	Chain Missile	Energy Spheres
Persistant Blade	Electric Loop	Flashburst	Explosive Cascade
Ray of Flame	Ethereal Chamber	Glowing Orb	Floating Disk, Greater
Sonic Blast	Fireburst	Great Thunderclap	Force Chest
Thunderhead	Flame Dagger	Hailstones	Force Claw
	Force Ladder	Rainbow Blast	Force Missiles
	Frost Breath	Resonating Bolt	Forcewave
	Rainbow Beam	Scintellating Sphere	Stone Sphere
	Ray of Ice	Shatterfloor	Sword of Deception
	Scorch	Sound Lance	Thunderlance
	Slapping Hand	Wall of Light	Vortex of Teeth
	Snowball Swarm		Wingbird
	Veil of Shadows
CMage
Dawnburst
Jet of Steam	Luminous Swarm	Ghost Lantern	Incendiary Surge