I think the best thing they could do with it would be to set Episodes 7+ far enough in the future that the EU material could still have happened, but there would be enough time since it happened that the world could conceivably take whatever shape they want it to take that might look nothing like the EU world. That would also help take care of having to get new actors for all the main characters if they set it shortly after RotJ.
Yes, either the distant past or the distant future of the Star Wars universe would be a good place to go. Or at least far enough back so the characters haven't been born yet, or far enough forward so that the original characters are all (or almost all -- Jedi longevity tricks, etc.) dead.
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Me I actually think I could even become a SW fan again as long as Thrawn exists, Luke marries Mara Jade, and the Solos have three kids named Jaina, Jacen, and Anakin.
I agree on one stipulation: Jacen's fall to the dark side was the stupidest fall I've seen since Vader's. Fix it.
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Exactly. One of the best things about Lucas was he supported his fans by letting them run wild with their fandom. Fan fiction movies, shorts, artwork, comic strips, short stories and a whole lot more. As long as they did it for love and not profit he left them alone.
Disney can be like Scrooge McDuck and every evil queen in their movies rolled into one.
Oh and the first thing I ever thought of when Supernatural originally aired.
Jared Padalecki should be Luke Skywalker.
Can Jensen Ackles play Leia? He could pull it off.
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Basically this for me. Anything past 25 ABY (start of the NJO) can go, no question. I'd like to see EU canon stay the same up through 19 ABY (the surrender of the Empire and the end of the Galactic Civil War) since as I said before most of the stuff up through there is actually good, but as long as they don't screw up the high points (Thrawn, Centerpoint, X-Wing series, etc.) I could deal with a few retcons here and there.
I think I read that they're setting it 10 years after RotJ, which would put it in 14 ABY right around the Jedi Academy trilogy. The two big events in the "good" books after that are the Corellian Insurrection and Black Fleet Crisis, so as long as they just ignore those instead of explicitly retconning them that should be fine.
There's an underlying question that probably detemines everything and that's whether they go with recast existing characters or go for a new generation. Right now I take anything we might "know" or hear about this Episode VII to be written in sand below the tide line, not stone. Whatever the Mouse may have planned it still has to get through the nitty gritty of getting to a working screenplay with director, cast, and start filming. I think the biggest single decision will be whether they recast, or go for a new set of protagonists.
If they go for a new generation then you can quite possibly put the EU up to point into continuity. And it would let them do certain things like have the original cast cameo in-character. Mark Hamill showing up a bit to be the Obi-Wan or Yoda would be very cyclical and appropriate to the series. And doing this would at least allow the EU to be retained to a point, though does lock in certain things.
I suspect that the powers that be will find that a little binding (even aside from the EU) with a less sure bet and be looking to recast Luke/Leia/Han/etc. And once you do that then I think there's no really saving the EU as the movie would undoubtedly need to deal at least once with what's going on. I'm sure there would be some Fan Wank to try and save stuff... but its hard to see the standing definition of tiers holding up which would rob the authority from the EU most of all. At that point... yeah time to put it down.
When I'm being completely honest though I think that I only need certain conceptual elements brought over. Now while admittedly SW has always been different I think the superhero movies show that you can modify elements of the mythos and still be well regarded. I realize I don't care so much about actual events as long as the characters and I hold in high regard remain.
Essentially arrive at a relationship similar to say the DCU and the DCAU, where though the latter shares no continuity everyone generally still feels in-character. If relationships and characters stay intact the events can work themselves out and it all still feels true and valid. SW is now in all likelihood going to have to transition from a single canon into a more conceptual mythos.
I still fanboy enough I think to find the idea of doing say... the revived-Palps with Thrawn as the Dragon conceptually made of awesome and ripe with appeal. The sort of thing that can both work for the general populace, but amounts to big love letter to long term fans for their devotion. This is pretty thoroughly impossible with existing canon though.
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Well, personally, if they make Thrawn and TIE Fighter have unhappened, I'm done, as those were by far the best bits of Star Wars. (NJO and onwards is already uncanoned for me anyway, so I really don't care about that end.) They might get a pass if Thrawn (and Mara) appear in some recognisable form, otherwise: nope.
And unThrawning seems the most likely happening, because he's not a sith, and thus doesn't have a shiny lightsabre or superpowers to wave around (and thus likely to be far too subtle/different a villain to those in most other SW non-EU-or-Clone-Wars-cartoon villains.)
If they do unThrawn Thrawn, the only way they'll get any pennies from me again, like period, is if they have a serious starship battle (because I will forgive almost anything for a serious starship battle); but I'm talking like, ten-twenty solid minutes of massed starship combat, without any lightsabre duels getting in the way (because starships have been and always will be infinitely cooler than laser-swords.)
I would say that is the great potential of this deal. The biggest problem with SW this century has been Lucas himself. If he's sufficiently cordoned off from the project then we can actually a fresh vision brought to bare on the series. Maybe even one that remember that the original movie's climax hinged on a space battle and not lightsaber fights.
Now admittedly Thrawn is unlikely to be the Big Bad. Even Zahn himself made up a Force oriented threat in C'boath as that sort of personnel conflict is very much a part of SW too but not something Thrawn is conceptually well suited for or should ever be in.
Admit it though you probably like the idea of him playing a (technically) supporting villain role character intact, and maybe even getting to survive to cause even more trouble going forward yes?
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I agree on one stipulation: Jacen's fall to the dark side was the stupidest fall I've seen since Vader's. Fix it.
I figured that was implied. The Solo kids (all three), Ben, and Mara all live to see their grandkids of course. They don't have to die of old age, but they sure as hell go out like bad assess. All the original cast can die of old age when appropriate though.
Of course, the easiest and possibly best thing to do would be to set it after Legacy: War. They could start fresh with a new (at least to the film world) crop of characters, with freedom to do whatever the heck they wanted without damaging existing EU continuity. As a bonus, the era in question is set up perfectly for an old-school story setup: No alien weirdness here, just the main characters, a galactic government doomed to fail/fracture somehow, and a group of Sith that prefer to work undercover.
Alas, it seems it's too late for this.
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I think I read that they're setting it 10 years after RotJ, which would put it in 14 ABY right around the Jedi Academy trilogy. The two big events in the "good" books after that are the Corellian Insurrection and Black Fleet Crisis, so as long as they just ignore those instead of explicitly retconning them that should be fine.
Actually, that's a bit after the Jedi Academy Trilogy which is around 11 ABY.
14 ABY would be roughly around the time of The Crystal Star, and Crimson Empire III.
I would back this up 100% though might as well just take the entire cast of fire fly and do it in star wars... Summer Glau for a new age version of Luke? Lucy skywalker anyone,n:
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Okay guys so I found a report that this "Episode VII" will be "an original story" and explicitly not the Thrawn trilogy.
Well, there goes 90% of my interest.
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So now then under the working premise that the EU is going to be definitively shattered in tiny pieces by a superlaser as the new movies will not be adapting matierial... what's the best/most-tolerable way to go about this?
Honestly, I don't think I care what happens to the EU anymore. Cannonicity doesn't mean squat to me, so the stories I like won't be effected, and there's the off chance that the new stuff will be better than the old - or at least what's become of the old.
I will say that I'm not a fan of the idea of "rebooting" Zahn's characters, like Thrawn or Mara, if it means any substantial changes to them in the process, though. I honestly think they're closer to being sacred cows of the series to me than most of the movie characters.
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I will say that I'm not a fan of the idea of "rebooting" Zahn's characters, like Thrawn or Mara, if it means any substantial changes to them in the process, though. I honestly think they're closer to being sacred cows of the series to me than most of the movie characters.
Whether or not existing EU characters are included in any way probably depends on the rights situation. If Zahn holds the rights to Thrawn and Mara Jade etc., then there's probably no chance. If the rights are held by LucasArts, that might be a different story.
Apparently plans for a third trilogy began circulating "last August", so it's likely that the initial groundwork has already been laid. And with the original story idea almost certainly coming from Lucas... my guess is that all the post-RotJ EU material is just going to be cut off at the knees, the same way everything that was written about the Clone Wars prior to the release of the PT was.
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Because no new material, like the prequels, or the Clone Wars show, or various supplementary materials have ever retconned anything? Seriously, stuff like that happens all the time. The EU goes on. That's an entirely different matter than tossing the whole EU (or very large sections of it) out. I would fully expect the movie to be treated as G-level canon.
This guy right here has the right idea. The star wars universe is full of crap getting retconed away. Let's face it, everyone knows about the Thrawn Trilogy, right? Well here's the thing, those books feature a scene where Thrawn specifically mentions that the Clone Wars were a clone rebellion that fought against the Empire and were eventually destroyed by the Jedi. Of course fast forward 10-15 years and it's clear that is not the case. Clearly there is no grantee that the new movie will follow cannon, if anything the exact opposite is true.
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This guy right here has the right idea. The star wars universe is full of crap getting retconed away. Let's face it, everyone knows about the Thrawn Trilogy, right? Well here's the thing, those books feature a scene where Thrawn specifically mentions that the Clone Wars were a clone rebellion that fought against the Empire and were eventually destroyed by the Jedi. Of course fast forward 10-15 years and it's clear that is not the case. Clearly there is no grantee that the new movie will follow cannon, if anything the exact opposite is true.
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Aye, the Cannon Turalisj. It be what we be shootin the EU out of.
Or did ye be havin issue with such plans me hearty? Say yer piece and be quick about it, lest ye find yerself gettin aquainted with Davey Jones an' his oft' mentioned locker.
Translation; Spelling mistakes aside, were you agreeing?
Aye, the Cannon Turalisj. It be what we be shootin the EU out of.
Or did ye be havin issue with such plans me hearty? Say yer piece and be quick about it, lest ye find yerself gettin aquainted with Davey Jones an' his oft' mentioned locker.
Translation; Spelling mistakes aside, were you agreeing?
Yes, I was agreeing. I like about an equal percentage of the EU as I do the prequel movies. That there is a great deal more of the EU than there is of the movies, just means you have more trash to sift through to find the good stuff.
Sure, you have Mara Jade and Thrawn in the EU. But you also have Marty Stu Wedge Antilles during the X-Wing books, you have a certain character getting a moon dropped on him, you've got numerous inconsistencies, and the literary arms race of each writer pushing out bigger and meaner super weapons.
I think wiping it clean would be the best thing at this point. I love Star Wars, but there's so much junk in the EU that it's best to start from scratch and throw in nods to the fandom's favorites (like Mara and Thrawn).
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What Yuki said.
Also, infernals are the only cool solaroids, so, just sayin'.*
*You are entitled to disagree. But to do so is wrong.
I'll be honest, a part of me was hoping your entire reply would also be written out in pirate.
I mostly agree, though I'm thinking at least one line there might be a bit controversial with the forum's resident Lich. If you could just work in reference to being uninterested in spaceship battles...
I mostly agree, though I'm thinking at least one line there might be a bit controversial with the forum's resident Lich.
And the forum's resident pair of fiendish polyhedrals.
I'm not going to deny that there's a lot of crap in the EU--my Bluff modifier is nowhere near high enough for that--but as I've said several times in this thread the vast majority of the New Republic stuff is somewhere between salvageable and very good, and there's really no reason to throw away the good stuff with the bad. Considering that keeping the good stuff and tossing the old is as easy as setting Ep VII in the 20-25 ABY range, saying everything prior is canon, and blowing away the NJO and everything after that, the only thing to be gained by invalidating the good EU stuff is pissing off the devoted fans.
And they really don't want to piss off the diehard fans this time around. When the prequels came out, my friends asked me "Okay, [Dice], you're the resident Star Wars expert and fanatic, are these movies worth seeing?" Since I'd obviously been reading every press release, watching every trailer, reading all of the between-movies EU books, and otherwise keeping up with everything about the movie, my friends trusted my opinion on whether they were worth watching; if you convince the major fans that Ep VII isn't worth seeing, there's a good chance they'll keep a lot of more casual fans away as well, particularly after everyone got burned by the prequels which is going to make them fairly skeptical this time around.
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