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At this point, I'm pretty certain the canon for the creation of humankind differs from what's generally accepted IRL. The only certainty(?) is that Homo Sapiens Sapiens did evolve from primitive ancestors, wherever said ancestors came from.
That, and Jones is most certainly not a Homo Sapiens Sapiens*, unless time shenanigans are involved, and I'm doubting they are. I've got another famous webcomic for time shenanigans anyway.
I'm betting Jones will go all the way back to space. As in, the moment of Earth's creation, or even before.
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I'm starting to get seriously creeped out.
If I'm right about my bet, I'm going to be totally creeped out like whoah.
*I mean that she could be, or have been originally, human, but with the involvement of magic, technology, or both, she became able to withstand everything. Most X-Men, after all, are only separated from other humans by the abilities they have, which are not readily obvious.
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Or instead of a djinn of fire/water, maybe shes some kinda earth elemental? Would explain the weight and the inability to swim, and the ability to topless wrestle a giant buffalo thing.
Going off of this, what if elementals in general are effectively immortal until they have children and for whatever reason Jones can't have offspring? (/crazytheories)
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Was she carved from the rock? Or was she always there, simply waiting for erosion to gradually free her?
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One more thing Tom knows: accurate depiction of both sea scorpions Orthoceras, as well as Silurian-era fish of some kind. This prehistory nerd is pleased.
On the other hand, WTF?! What the-?! Wha-?! I honestly cannot think of any sort of logical explanation beyond, "time travel" or something, but I guess we'll see next strip (or not).
(WMG: She's a myth of a strange monster emerging from the stony ocean floor-a myth created by sea scorpions).
Wait a second: In a world of magic that is partly formed by believe itself (Coyote cannot be fully wrong) you are looking for a logical explanation? ;)
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Wait a second: In a world of magic that is partly formed by believe itself (Coyote cannot be fully wrong) you are looking for a logical explanation? ;)
It's the difference between logic/realism and verisimilitude
I'm in the "this is awesome" camp, though. Mostly because its so gorgeous, but also because it piques my curiousity. I'm totally okay with no resolution yet.
Just going to put this out there as far as Jones's answer: "I don't Know"
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The thing is, Annie said Ysengrin told her what Jones was, and Annie's brain didn't blow up from the knowledge. Although Y's may have, that could explain his current problems. And Coyote suggested Annie ask Jones about stars, and insisted Jones PROVES his hypothesis that human thought shapes the Etheric. As Jones clearly predates humanity... or indeed the higher classifications of animal life... I have no idea what is going on here.
So we now know that she precedes humanity, despite being human looking herself. How do they connect? Did she create humanity? (In a self-impregnating kind of way, playing into the Adam/Eve thing. But then again, i doubt she can get pregnant in the first place. Is she even soft to the touch?)
Time travel seems more likely as well by now, too.
It seems to me that creatures like Coyote and Reynardine, all the other people associated with the forest side of the court are innately talented with stuff related to the Ether. Coyote taught her some stuff about it, after all (he didn't need a blinker stone to teach her things) and Red and all her peers were doing crazy stuff. A solid theory to Annie's predilection towards the ether is that she's decent at it because she's part fire elemental, and thus has her own ties to such things.
So... where does that leave Jones? She apparently accomplishes quite a few supernatural things, from absurd feats of strength strength to immortality to being impervious to blades to crazy reaction times... but in this common area that all of these ether tied creatures seem to share, she seems to have less than nothing- she's totally incapable. I don't think she's an elemental or a spirit quite like Coyote. So what IS she?
Wait a second: In a world of magic that is partly formed by believe itself (Coyote cannot be fully wrong) you are looking for a logical explanation? ;)
You're misusing "logical" there.
A story with fantastic elements can still be logical. Explaining where Jones came from using the metaphysics of the setting, even if those metaphysics are revealed by the explanation, would be logical.
Saying "she just happened" isn't logical.
Stories work better when they follow some form of internal logic. Otherwise, they'd just be a bunch of unrelated events.
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what if Jones is like Annie? An elemental whose soul is bound to the particular body they reside in and passed to their offspring, we don't see her having kids because she is afraid to die...
Well YMMV. I think the issue is that her explanation is not possibly going to live up to the latest couple of comics. I can't think of how she might possibly be explained without coming off as a letdown.
...of course I look forward to be proven utterly wrong.
Actually another thing- why does she look human? I mean, the Gunnerkriggverse seems to follow evolutionary theory, so why does she look like something that for 99% of her existence doesn't exist?
Actually another thing- why does she look human? I mean, the Gunnerkriggverse seems to follow evolutionary theory, so why does she look like something that for 99% of her existence doesn't exist?
...okay I need to stop over thinking this.
One possible explanation is that she doesn't look like us. We look like her.
Actually another thing- why does she look human? I mean, the Gunnerkriggverse seems to follow evolutionary theory, so why does she look like something that for 99% of her existence doesn't exist?
...okay I need to stop over thinking this.
Hence the time traveler theory.
As for 'we looking like her', only a small portion of apelings do.
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Hence the time traveler theory.
As for 'we looking like her', only a small portion of apelings do.
There's a theory on the GKC forums that Jones shaped humanity in her image, either out of idle boredom or because she wanted people like her to spend time with. Eons is certainly enough time for even the most aggressive selective breeding program to pay off.
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Well YMMV. I think the issue is that her explanation is not possibly going to live up to the latest couple of comics. I can't think of how she might possibly be explained without coming off as a letdown.
I think we are seeing the picture-book version of her explanation to Annie, as Jones relates it to her, so how could it be a 'letdown'? If, at the end, Jones doesn't correspond to any mythic archetype, then 'Congratulations, Tom Slidell!'
There's a theory on the GKC forums that Jones shaped humanity in her image, either out of idle boredom or because she wanted people like her to spend time with. Eons is certainly enough time for even the most aggressive selective breeding program to pay off.
That has some potential implications that are . . . less than fortunate.
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