Anyways.
The more I think on the whole "broken bankai never get fixed", the more stupid it is.
Why?
Because of how wackily different most bankai are from the shikai.
Take Renji. His shikai's construction is completely different than his bankai. More than that, both shikai and bankai seem to spontaneously generate new sections whenever they need to! When "retracted", the shikai has like 8 sub-blades. But he extends it way beyond that; his fight with Pink Hair had him wrap both of them toe-to-shoulder in at least 1 layer of blades. His bankai does the same thing, it's just freak-huge. So how does it losing 1 or 2 segments hurt it, when it spontaneously generates them!
Byakuya's sword turns into exponentially more micro-blades. Are you telling me it takes permanent damage if a couple of those get chopped up?
Or...crud, forgot his name. The Vizard with the knife. His bankai is totally unrelated, size/shape-wise. Are you saying if that weird ribbon tears in half, it chips that knife of his?
Ikkaku's Bankai getting torn up is kind of his signature at this point; it's "weak" because it's entirely focused on attack, not because of sudden magic retcon.
Really, it's silly. Silly because there's nothing prior to support it.
And silly because Ichigo the Messianic FullVizQuingami will inevitably ignore this "rule" and fix his sword via meditation at the last moment. Or have Hat-n-Clogs fix it, whatever.
At this point I'm reading because it's like a car wreck and I can't look away...
Its more that damage to the Bankai can't be repaired ever. Not that damage to the Bankai also damages the Shikai and un-released forms.
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We've seen a handful of people in Soul Society that we saw as Pluses in the real world before getting sent to Soul Society,
so they aren't reborn as babies on the spirit side.
Yes, I mentioned this. These people might be exceptions, the results of being send "up" directly by a shinigami.
As far as I remember, it is the shinigamis' job to protect and help lost pluses, but it was never mentioned
that all pluses will start to haunt the world.
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Also, I wouldn't assume Bleach necessarily takes place on our Earth. If Soul Society would be the only place where spirits go to after death, then the real world would be equally small -- and we've only really seen Karakura Town of the real world. In fact, we haven't seen enough of Rukongai by far to have much adequate knowledge on the amount of people living there, do we? I think it might've been mentioned at some point early on, but it wasn't all that much relatively speaking.
True, not too much about Soul Society's exact nature was ever mentioned.
And unfortunately I don't think, we will ever see enough.
Could have had them show up in a dramatic 'here comes the cavalry' moment though, at least. Even if it was just one or two of them, having them arrive into the middle of a fierce battle by what appears to basically be drop-pod to turn the tide against the enemy... that would have been cool.
Instead, these five soldiers, who are apparently the equal of all Thirteen Divisions by themselves (despite apparently having had no direct combat experience in the past few millennia) wait until after the fighting is over to show up. You know, after the casualties are in the quadruple digits and the Captain-Commander is dead and most of Seireitei is a smoking ruin. This doesn't look like reinforcements or a group of heroic badasses showing up to save the day - it looks far more like a bunch of sequestered layabouts finally getting off their backsides and getting involved only when it's clear they have absolutely no other choice.
I, for one, am hoping that someone rips into them over this. Maybe even Mayuri - he seemed irritated enough by the prospect of their arrival.
To be fair, that's pretty much how military works. You don't see "oh, these guys are losing" and send your forces in. Your forces are where they are for a reason, after all. Division Zero was defending the Soul King. What if they went in to help and the whole attack on Soul Society was a feint? What if the true attack force was aimed at the Soul King?
Their mission is to protect the King. Going down to help Soul Society would be abandoning their mission.
Yeah, i newer really understood where the idea that it was a weak Bankai came from either.
Because it is incredible power yet it has no finesse and it is slow. His opponents that are captain level would not try to block it instead they would try to dodge it (unless they also have overwhelming power and were just trying show off such as the tousen fight.) If your opponent is not a captain level opponent you don't need your bankai and overwhelming power to defeat him.
His shikia is kinda better than his bankai. With it he creates a "ghostly" version of his giant that only has a single body part or so incorporeal at a time (such as the sword and arm.) It has less destructive power (since the whole body is not in the real world and thus doesn't have mass) but you can't hurt Komamura via attack the giant, as well as the fact it follows Komamura around when Komamura moves so you do not need to worry about maneuvering a 300ft tall megazord size giant around.
Let's play a game? It's called Remember When Bleach Was Good. I'll start.
Remember when Bleach was good? Back in the first volumes, before Ishida was properly introduced he was in the background in several panels and Ichigo almost bumped into him once.
Let's play a game? It's called Remember When Bleach Was Good. I'll start.
Remember when Bleach was good? Back in the first volumes, before Ishida was properly introduced he was in the background in several panels and Ichigo almost bumped into him once.
I remember when Bleach was good. The leader Vizard dude is in like, one of the very first pictures of the series. It's been mentioned before.
I contest that, if you sort of just ignore the whole "how does Soul Sociaty actually work? Why are ghosts bleeding, how do ghosts die, how do ghosts GET BORN" thing, the Soul Sociaty arc was actually really good. It all went down hill from there, with only the occasional spike upwards when Grimjow, Byakuya, or Kenpachi did something awesome or hilarious.
I still contest that Kenpachi's "secret fighting style" is a legit sensible thing that people should of saw coming.
Because it is incredible power yet it has no finesse and it is slow. His opponents that are captain level would not try to block it instead they would try to dodge it (unless they also have overwhelming power and were just trying show off such as the tousen fight.) If your opponent is not a captain level opponent you don't need your bankai and overwhelming power to defeat him.
His shikia is kinda better than his bankai. With it he creates a "ghostly" version of his giant that only has a single body part or so incorporeal at a time (such as the sword and arm.) It has less destructive power (since the whole body is not in the real world and thus doesn't have mass) but you can't hurt Komamura via attack the giant, as well as the fact it follows Komamura around when Komamura moves so you do not need to worry about maneuvering a 300ft tall megazord size giant around.
Yeah, and i dont see this as a point for why its weak, this just makes it specialized.
And when Hollow Godzilla starts chewing up Tokyo, i certainly know who my favorite pick would be to kick it back into the ocean
(I wasn closely considering old man Genocide for the role though )
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I remember when Bleach was good. The leader Vizard dude is in like, one of the very first pictures of the series. It's been mentioned before.
Yeah, but that is only his face. It's just the design, basically. I'm not sure if it's actually foreshadowing something.
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I contest that, if you sort of just ignore the whole "how does Soul Sociaty actually work? Why are ghosts bleeding, how do ghosts die, how do ghosts GET BORN" thing, the Soul Sociaty arc was actually really good. It all went down hill from there, with only the occasional spike upwards when Grimjow, Byakuya, or Kenpachi did something awesome or hilarious.
Agreed. I remember the scene where Ichigo finally confronts Aizen, after kicking everyone's ass, charges into him... gets blocked with ONE FINGER and CUT IN HALF. That was probably the best worfing I ever read.
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I still contest that Kenpachi's "secret fighting style" is a legit sensible thing that people should of saw coming.
I loved that. It was awesome. Kenpachi is Bleach's "Double Impact" Tawara and it shows.
Yeah, and i dont see this as a point for why its weak, this just makes it specialized.
And when Hollow Godzilla starts chewing up Tokyo, i certainly know who my favorite pick would be to kick it back into the ocean
(I wasn closely considering old man Genocide for the role though )
I would agree that his bankai is not weak. It is just usefull or useless depending on the situation and the vast majority of times we have seen it it has been useless.
And even during the times it is useful, another person's bankai would have been nearly as effective.
Contrast that to Byakuya Kuchiki bankai which is a far more versatile bankai. Byakuya would have had the same result (and probably the same time or faster) if he went up against arrancar Choe Neng Poww (the whale/giant shaped arrancar Komamura fought) as Komamura did when he fought Choe Neng Poww.
Yeah, but that is only his face. It's just the design, basically. I'm not sure if it's actually foreshadowing something.
Agreed. I remember the scene where Ichigo finally confronts Aizen, after kicking everyone's ass, charges into him... gets blocked with ONE FINGER and CUT IN HALF. That was probably the best worfing I ever read.
I loved that. It was awesome. Kenpachi is Bleach's "Double Impact" Tawara and it shows.
If Kubo was a good writer it'd be foreshadowing. It's things like this that, again, make me sad and hate Bleach. At almost every turn, you can find stuff that "if Kubo knew how to write", the series would be fantastic. Wasted potential, it makes me sad.
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I would agree that his bankai is not weak. It is just usefull or useless depending on the situation and the vast majority of times we have seen it it has been useless.
And even during the times it is useful, another person's bankai would have been nearly as effective.
Contrast that to Byakuya Kuchiki bankai which is a far more versatile bankai. Byakuya would have had the same result (and probably the same time or faster) if he went up against arrancar Choe Neng Poww (the whale/giant shaped arrancar Komamura fought) as Komamura did when he fought Choe Neng Poww.
Also about Komamura's Bankai, the reason why people think it's so weak is because of it's "weakness". Ie, it's a huge target, and hurting it hurts the user. Being such a big target, with that type of damage transference, is a huge weakness.
First the plot point with Ichigo Bankai being is is a total forcing of the story to put him on the path towards using the Quincy powers. Hate this Chapter for doing that. On the good side nice to see Kon again.
As for when Bleach was still good, before Ichigo lost his Soul Reaper powers at the end of the Arrancar arc. Maybe even before going to Hueco Mundo.
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During the Hueco Mundo arc it was still pretty good. For me it mainly went downhill when Aizen became a main feature in the chapters and things started to get dragged out a whole lot.
All the numbered chapters should've been condensed. No 16+ Deicide chapters, Yamadammit.
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Agreed. I remember the scene where Ichigo finally confronts Aizen, after kicking everyone's ass, charges into him... gets blocked with ONE FINGER and CUT IN HALF. That was probably the best worfing I ever read.
Oh man. I was still watching the anime back then, and they went all-out with it. The theme music started up, Renji set it up, Ichigo swept in, and then.
I got shivers. It played so perfectly with my expectations that I didn't see it coming at all.
It's funny. I remember when I was first telling people that Bleach was great, and I said "The writer just introduced twenty new characters, over the span of two episodes, and I remember every one of them and they've all got interesting relationships; they feel like an actual organization of friends and comrades who've been together for a long time, not just a bunch of characters thrown at the screen. Twenty characters, and they all matter."
I think I might be tearing up.
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just realized something.
kubo just screwed his own canon.
ichigo's coat is PART OF HIS BANKAI, it gets mangled regularly.
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Oh man. I was still watching the anime back then, and they went all-out with it. The theme music started up, Renji set it up, Ichigo swept in, and then.
I got shivers. It played so perfectly with my expectations that I didn't see it coming at all.
It's funny. I remember when I was first telling people that Bleach was great, and I said "The writer just introduced twenty new characters, over the span of two episodes, and I remember every one of them and they've all got interesting relationships; they feel like an actual organization of friends and comrades who've been together for a long time, not just a bunch of characters thrown at the screen. Twenty characters, and they all matter."
I think I might be tearing up.
Bolded for one of the reasons I love Bleach. THIS is what Bleach SHOULD of been.
I'm sure it's been brought up, but if not, to repair bankais, just get Orihime as Soul Societies residential Mechanic, and now I kind think it'd be funny if this happens... I'd like it too.
Didn't Ishida destroy Mayuri's Bankai in the SS arc? Only for it be fixed by when he fought the pink haired arrancar?
Yup. Shot it through the face with an overpowered arrow, and dealt sufficient damage to actually cut the damn thing entirely in half. Lengthwise.
So yeah. It's oddly hilarious that it's Mayuri of all people telling Ichigo about this. Kubo has apparently forgotten that. Again.
I tend to find that I like all of the different characters in Bleach, and how I feel about the different arcs tends to revolve entirely around which characters are involved. The actual plot becomes almost irrelevent.
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Yup. Shot it through the face with an overpowered arrow, and dealt sufficient damage to actually cut the damn thing entirely in half. Lengthwise.
So yeah. It's oddly hilarious that it's Mayuri of all people telling Ichigo about this. Kubo has apparently forgotten that. Again.
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Mayuri also has a self destruct protocol for his bankai which seems to do no harm to his bankai as well.
So taking this into account, Mayuri's talking out his butt and should be ignored.
Again, even if he's "right", we all know it doesn't matter. Ichigo will just get his sword fixed via either meditation, or Orihime, or being a FullVizQuinGami, or being orange-haired, or some other super-special-snowflake reason.
Seriously, why not just say "it takes a lot of meditation with your blade to fix this sort of damage, and we're on a time crunch, so hurry up that meditation, Ichigo!"? It'd be the same result and feel less arbitrary.
So taking this into account, Mayuri's talking out his butt and should be ignored.
Again, even if he's "right", we all know it doesn't matter. Ichigo will just get his sword fixed via either meditation, or Orihime, or being a FullVizQuinGami, or being orange-haired, or some other super-special-snowflake reason.
Seriously, why not just say "it takes a lot of meditation with your blade to fix this sort of damage, and we're on a time crunch, so hurry up that meditation, Ichigo!"? It'd be the same result and feel less arbitrary.
He has to give a reason to change Ichigo's design again. MUST HAVE ANOTHER FORM CHANGE.
Yup. Shot it through the face with an overpowered arrow, and dealt sufficient damage to actually cut the damn thing entirely in half. Lengthwise.
So yeah. It's oddly hilarious that it's Mayuri of all people telling Ichigo about this. Kubo has apparently forgotten that. Again.
I tend to find that I like all of the different characters in Bleach, and how I feel about the different arcs tends to revolve entirely around which characters are involved. The actual plot becomes almost irrelevent.
to be fair, it's mayuri. he said he modified his bankai. considering his personal modifications include functional invincibility, are you really surprised?
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I think the real question is whether or not Ishida's attack actually damaged the bankai. It might have, and we've just never seen it. Or not. Or this could all be a giant asspull. I don't think anyone can definitively say at this point.
I think the real question is whether or not Ishida's attack actually damaged the bankai. It might have, and we've just never seen it. Or not. Or this could all be a giant asspull. I don't think anyone can definitively say at this point.
Have we seen Mayuri's bankai since then?
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