World of Warcraft XIV: Fish Felreed, and the Reed Pond fish

[The Glyphstone]

Originally Posted by The Linker

I think the point is not that he's not going to turn evil. He's a hateful, warmongering, vicious, animalistic humanoid who chooses violence before words and seems close to attempting to wipe out his own allies. A lot of people already want him dead, one of them being Vol'Jin, the Troll leader.

In theory, this storming-Orgrimmar event would occur after he goes just a bit too far and the Alliance and Horde mutually agree he needs to be stopped. Perhaps he'll want to raze Pandaria for the sake of razing Pandaria, and everyone rises up against him for it.

At any rate, it's (probably) not that he gets possessed by the Sha or anything. He's been a bastard from the beginning.

I don't think we know for sure that he'll be killed, but he'll certainly be outed as warchief, I believe. And someone we "might not expect" will come forward to fill the throne.

Wrathion for Warchief!

[ZeroNumerous]

Originally Posted by Gryffon

2) Thrall(Go'el) is unlikely to come back to be the Horde Warchief.

I'd just like to point out that Blizzard has out-and-out lied about future content before. It's entirely possible for Thrall to make a reappearance, and I'd honestly be surprised if it isn't Thrall.

[Karoht]

Originally Posted by ZeroNumerous

I'd just like to point out that Blizzard has out-and-out lied about future content before. It's entirely possible for Thrall to make a reappearance, and I'd honestly be surprised if it isn't Thrall.

I would out-and-out be surprised if it was Thrall.
If I knew nothing of Cataclysm, the Shattering made it pretty obvious that he is done with the Warchief role for a very long time, Twilight of the Aspects only reinforced this heavily, so did Tides of War. The Doomhammer Plate-Wearing Thrall is really his past, the character has just grown entirely out of that role. If they send him back in (as Warchief, not some advisor) with Thrall in his current state, that would be an incredible subversion of the character. Possibly riot inducing. And I do strongly doubt they can build up the character to go back as Warchief in 3-4 content patches.
If he comes back, it won't be as Go'el the way he is today. There would have to be an extreme character change, precipitated by a very extreme event to make this happen.

Spoilers, under spoiler cut, for those who dare:

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If you follow some of the data mined information, there is a quote where they refer to...

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...Anduin Wrynn as being deceased. Supposedly killed by Garrosh. Anduin tries to stop him from doing something with the Divine Bell. It sounds like Garrosh tortures Anduin and then kills him. Maybe even desecrates the corpse.

See, that's signifigant because Saurfang was able to at least bury his own son. Varian allowed him to claim the body. For Garrosh to perhaps deny Varian proper burial rites? That's kind of a big deal.

Just stating the above because it is interesting, not because it relates to Thrall in any major way. The retaliation for such an act COULD involve Thrall, but I sincerely doubt it. Given Thrall's visions in the Save Thrall questline, I don't see him doing anything but empathizing with Varian. But not enough to just drop his responsibilities as a Shaman or as a future father and come back to the Horde as Warchief.

Perhaps an event related to this, just might be enough to get Go'el/Thrall in the right headspace. But, I doubt it. It seems more like something to be played out by other characters who seem more closely related to the situation.

Curiously, when in your estimation did they 'lie' about lore-based content? I've seen a few vague misleading statements over the years, but anyone following the data mining or the PTR/Beta usually managed to read into their real meaning pretty easily.
Dance Studio doesn't count

[Zherog]

Spoilers about K's spoiler...

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While I'm not too big into caring about the lore, that'd be a pity in my opinion. Anduin seems to me to be the most level-headed leader in the game.

[The_Jackal]

Originally Posted by Zherog

Spoilers about K's spoiler...

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While I'm not too big into caring about the lore, that'd be a pity in my opinion. Anduin seems to me to be the most level-headed leader in the game.

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Which is the reason he has to die. Drama does not ensue in a room full of calm, reasonable people.

[Togath]

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Wait, didn't the horde have him at weapon point twice already?, I haven't finished all of the zones yet, but it seems like less of the surprise(we already caught him at least once) for someone such as Garrosh to catch and kill him.....then again, I do prefer Anduin over "vrykl with a giant chin" Wrynn, because he(Anduin) seems like a more interesting character then his father(and he looks more like a human then his father...is there any storyline explanation why his father looks like a vrykl? I’ve been wondering why he looks so odd ever since he first showed up ingame)

[Karoht]

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It is currently not confirmed (maybe he goes missing or something).
Also, him dying for an ideal can precipitate MUCH drama.

[Togath]

Not a lore question, more a "is this rude?" question;
is it impolite to attack some one flagged as pvp either while they're logging in or while they're ressing?(on a non pvp server).

[Traab]

I say yes, mainly because you dont get honor for the kill, (I think they have that debuff active for a few seconds at least) so its honestly pointless from anything but a griefing standpoint. But imo, if you run around flagged, you deserve to get killed. Its not like standing still for 5 minutes before rezzing yourself is such an onerous chore.

On another topic, am I the only one disappointed by the 8th anniversary item? 8% rep and exp for 24 hours? Least they could have done was give us a kickass pet or something. Maybe an octopus, 8 legs for 8 years.

[Togath]

I do wonder why they stopped giving out items for the anniversaries, the blizzard bear and whelpling were both really neat.
edit: and aye, I'll probably stop attacking people logging in while flaged as pvp then(I do wonder why there are no guards there though, the part with the faction venders and cooking trainers has guards that can two shot most people)

[Mutant Sheep]

Originally Posted by Traab

I say yes, mainly because you dont get honor for the kill, (I think they have that debuff active for a few seconds at least) so its honestly pointless from anything but a griefing standpoint. But imo, if you run around flagged, you deserve to get killed. Its not like standing still for 5 minutes before rezzing yourself is such an onerous chore.

On another topic, am I the only one disappointed by the 8th anniversary item? 8% rep and exp for 24 hours? Least they could have done was give us a kickass pet or something. Maybe an octopus, 8 legs for 8 years.

I was murdered while fighting a rare mob by a level 90 mage today. She didn't even get to loot it, it had 100k out 1100k left. I level flagged because I miss my PvP server, and because Hyjal PvP was pretty enjoyable. But noooo. Apperently just walking in jade Forest flagged means that people will sky dive you with Sky Serpents. (actually, I was a bit close to the sky serpent repgrind spot, so I don't totally blame the murder. Could have waited for me to finish my first Yaungul rare though. Or hell, just waved before ganking.)

It's a pretty mediocre gift. The letter's text is the same as last years too. (NEW EXPANSION, WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DEATHWING? PANDA!). I remember the Onyxia dragon whelping, its my main battle pet now.

[Traab]

Speaking of battle pets, THEY STOLE MY ONE EYED WILLY! I dont know if you guys remember, but back, I think in tbc, or shortly after wrath, they had that orpha escort quest series, and I ran through it. I got to choose my pet, and it was willy, a baby beholder mini pet. It was the coolest and cutest little thing! When I saw battle pets I just knew which one I would raise and max out, but NOOOOOOOO!!!! Its not on my list! I cant summon it, I cant find it, its like it was never there! The only thing I can think of is, it got deleted when i got hacked once, and never got restored, or maybe blizzard eventually realized the double entendre was a bit over the line for the games rating and removed it.

Ah well, my mini pink pacyderm and rock em sock em robot pet are letting me kick ass well enough.

[Togath]

willy does still exist(and has a few pretty decent attacks), have you logged onto the character you earned him on? Battle pets aren't added unless you log onto the characters with them. If willy is lost, you might be able to buy a new one on the ah(all pets obtained outside of pet battles can be bought or sold now).

[The Linker]

Willy has to be in your list somewhere, even if in the 'pets you don't own' section. Type it in the search bar and make sure. If nothing comes up at all? That's a glitch.

[Krazzman]

Did you make a faction change? Because apparantly Blizzard doesn't change everything to the otherfaction version now. My GF for example had 3 of those choppers. Even after restoring her huntress who had it... she didn't have it. But now she transfered her Priest back to horde and suddenly has it... It#s weird, if it still doesn't show ask a GM. A few of them are actually quite competent in such matters.

@Birthdaybonus:
Afaik the bonus is an event that goes till december, but I'm not sure about that, someone in my guild mentioned it yesterday and well I raided that day so I didn't have time for twinking. Got the Raidfinder T-Set Chest for my priest, could afford the headpiece for valor points and got the Inscription offhand finally. Additionally Elegon dropped a trinket for me and I managed to get 2 bloodspirits (items from bonus loot I didn't need) and could give them to our Guildbank. Switching to enchanting was the second best thing I could have done.

On another note:
Does anyone else here play Shaman? A Restoration shaman? On Thursday our Guild finally slew the second boss in Heart of Fear. The problem here is... we tried to kill him the whole tuesday with me as a healer.
Our Setup is: Resto Shaman, Holy Paladin and Resto Druid. Our Tanks are a Prot Paladin and a Monk. Tuesday our Druid wasn't available so I switched from Shadow to holy. It was quite boring. I mostly stood there with 100% mana (being a reactionary healer) and still generated too much overheal from Renew. Now the problem is: My GF (the shaman) can't really compete. Either she get's near the hps the Paladin has and is oom quite fast or our monk actually "heals" more than her and suddenly it's her fault. The thing is: the advice coming from the Monk (who has a Shaman twink) is mostly stupidly irrelevant. Some things like "Riptide-Glyph sucks" and "Use this!" "This is how you have to play!"...
Social competence or things like properly giving advice is one of the greatest lacks our raidlead has.
We play on Blackhand, and if you could give me some advice for her (Yuvati) it would be great. (can't link her armory atm) This grews to be a problem in this raid... in which we will probably be only until mid-december anyway but then if we want to start good we should both improve (luckily I have howtopriest.com for my shadow).

Hope you can help us...

[Togath]

If I remember right, shamans and druids need to prioritize spirit as their main stat(it's worth sacrificing most other stats for, excluding usually mastery), so that might be the problem(how squishy are the raid's tanks? Also; which heals is she using? As a druid I usually find that low mana heals are the most useful ones, even if it means I'm not healing that much per cast. Two other things; is she using just the basic wow interface to heal?, I've found the healbot addon to be very useful for most classes in dungeons and raids. And is she remembering to use earth shield as much as possible?
Replacing ancestral swiftness with echo of the elements, and glyph of telluric currents with glyph of cleansing waters could be useful as well.

[The Linker]

Originally Posted by Traab

On another topic, am I the only one disappointed by the 8th anniversary item? 8% rep and exp for 24 hours?

I just logged in and checked out the item; it reads "Requires 8th Anniversary Celebration". The 'celebration' generally goes on for, like, two weeks. Or at least it has for past anniversaries; I remember logging on to characters well after the date and getting the relevant achievement.

[Krazzman]

Originally Posted by Togath

If I remember right, shamans and druids need to prioritize spirit as their main stat(it's worth sacrificing most other stats for, excluding usually mastery), so that might be the problem(how squishy are the raid's tanks? Also; which heals is she using? As a druid I usually find that low mana heals are the most useful ones, even if it means I'm not healing that much per cast. Two other things; is she using just the basic wow interface to heal?, I've found the healbot addon to be very useful for most classes in dungeons and raids. And is she remembering to use earth shield as much as possible?
Replacing ancestral swiftness with echo of the elements, and glyph of telluric currents with glyph of cleansing waters could be useful as well.

Well...
I don't know. As far as I got it for druids it was hastecap, 10k spirit, everything else in mastery! And yes she was the first one in our raid to do that. For her there was only a switch between metagems while the others had to change nearly every socket.
She uses basic Interface together with Grid and Clique + Bartender afaik... she tried out pitbull this weekend but... I don't really know what she uses as I don't like playing on her laptop... (I did it a few times in order to get the tillers to exalted on a weekend where she was on a trip).

[Antonok]

This is the site I use. It gives a good breakdown of the rotations, stat priorities, etc.

Its not let me down so far.

[Karoht]

I forget, does Grid show incoming heals from other players or not so much?
Not a super relevant question, just asking.

Anyhoot, in relation to your GF's Resto Shaman...
Togath has some solid advice there, and I'll plug icy-veins.com yet again.
And armory link would go a long way here.


Raid Update:
2/6 MSV 1/6 HoF Normal. Yeah, laugh, I am WAY behind.
But, I'm the top healer of my raid group currently.
"They need to nerf Karoht. Not Resto Druids, just Karoht"
That made my day.
We have a Holy Paladin... well, I am honestly beginning to wonder if she's actually pushing buttons or not. I know she raids extremely late where she is and doesn't do well on a lack of sleep, and she's a perfectly nice human being and all, but she's not doing well at her role. My overhealing is doing more than her total output (healing + overheal) and she has some mana problems. I'm really new to the guild, I don't know people all that well, so I'm keeping my mouth shut for the time being. If I keep being awesome, they'll eventually ask my opinion on the matter, and I'll do my best to give it without being rude.
Heart of Fear bosses are really fun. Blade Lord is simple yet engaging. Just need to get Tornado Ally phase down and we're good.

[Krazzman]

Originally Posted by Antonok

This is the site I use. It gives a good breakdown of the rotations, stat priorities, etc.

Its not let me down so far.

I'm not sure. I believe we already looked there but came to the conclusion that this is how she already played the shaman. Currently I'm even beginning to think that her - in the eyes of our raidleadership - "bad performance" is due to her PC and her low haste (I think she just went for the first haste cap because of not having enough haste). She uses a Laptop while playing and while in WotLK and Cataclysm movement wasn't a problem it seemed like it becomes one.
The points the raidlead told me yesterday were: Heart of Fear second boss:
Unseen Strike on her, a few wipes because she didn't come fast enough to the group meeting point. One time I Leap of Faithed her. The executionphase... she managed to get to the other platform (one or two times ran into a cyclone (one that spawned at the end of the path)) and she reincarnated into an unseen strike which was already through according to her dbm and visual effect on her laptop. As I said in that fight the Monk was actually on first or second place in healing. I was bored because I didn't have anything to do as most of the time the group was fully healed and when they were dropping due to debuff or unseen strike 1 or 2 instants and they were back up. A renew here and there, heal or greater heal depending on importance and that's it. And jeah as I said I'm a reactionary healer.

Our Monk is squishy as far as I can see it and our Tank Paladin should not.

[Antonok]

Originally Posted by Krazzman

~snipeth~

Is she using the touch pad to try and move/click (or keyboard turning)? Cause that can be fixed by an external mouse, and healbot/mouse over macros.

Mostly sounds like lag issues, which can sometimes be solved a few different ways, like switching to DirectX9, lowering graphics, etc.

And yea, monk tanks are a bit squishy due to having a higher learning curve then other tanks. You have to keep blackout kick and guard up, and purge your stagger dot when it gets too high, or after you eat a rather nasty hit.

Pallys I'm not sure what happened to them, they used to be the easiest tanks to heal and now I groan every time I see one as a healer.

[Krazzman]

Originally Posted by Antonok

Is she using the touch pad to try and move/click (or keyboard turning)? Cause that can be fixed by an external mouse, and healbot/mouse over macros.

Mostly sounds like lag issues, which can sometimes be solved a few different ways, like switching to DirectX9, lowering graphics, etc.

And yea, monk tanks are a bit squishy due to having a higher learning curve then other tanks. You have to keep blackout kick and guard up, and purge your stagger dot when it gets too high, or after you eat a rather nasty hit.

Pallys I'm not sure what happened to them, they used to be the easiest tanks to heal and now I groan every time I see one as a healer.

She already uses an external mouse. A MX518 from logitech actually as we both find this model rater good for our hand. I've got the later model G500 or something like that. Lowering graphics... I already did it a slight bit but I'll try to ask her about that. It's because paladins are easy to learn hard to master and timing your "shield-bash" against nasty hits is a good way. It's a high reduction for a few seconds after using it. This took the probably Deathwing Heroic kill in the last ID before the addon with our guild at that time but we were kicked out that evening so I don't really care.

[Karoht]

What is her ping and FPS? FPS lower than 20 becomes very difficult to play. Ping higher than 400 runs into the same problems.

Being a reactive healer as Holy is fine. It is completely built that way, with very little in the way of pre-emptive abilities that you actually want to use.
Being a reactive healer as a Resto Shaman SHOULD be fine, to a point.
Lag hurts reactive healing and reaction times.
And for spread out fights, Shaman tend to get the short end of the stick, even with the Chain Heal range fix, or so I hear tell. On Blade Lord you spread out rather a lot. Meanwhile Holy has effects such as Cascade and Prayer of Mending which work out regardless of range, and are well suited to for fights where everyone spreads instead of stacks.

As for your GF and her Shaman, hitting the first haste cap is all that is necessary. Only push for the second cap if you can hit it, otherwise any extra haste is probably wasted. Haste isn't that big a help for Resto Shaman anyway.
Telluric Currents + (that healing rain talent that heals people standing in healing rain when an enemy in healing rain takes damage) will probably help out that little bit more. Mastery is good for when you have the ability to heal-snipe (reaction times), and on fights where raid member health will generally be low on a constant basis. Regardless of what AskMrRobot says, crit might be a better stat for now due to playstyle. Crit will probably provide more consistent benefit than Mastery.
Finally, rock them cooldowns. Rock them hard. Spirit Link + Healing Tide are absolutely excellent, staggered apart or put together. Healing Stream totem should have a 100% uptime. Same with Riptide, Glyphed or not, someone should always have it ticking on them.
Ultimately, by the sounds of things, lag is her issue. There is an indicator which may help identify this. On whatever meter you guys are using to track heals, check out total healing or overhealing. If her total output (healing landed + overheal) is relatively the same as everyone else, then odds are it is lag and not an output issue but one of reaction time. If her total output is noticably lower than everyone else's, lag can be a contributing factor, but there is an output issue, which could mean gear/gemming/reforging, it could mean an ability or two not being used correctly (healing stream should be used with 100% uptime).

The last thing I can think of is, crippling lag and low frame rate is really affecting her personal reaction time. To the point where I would estimate she's probably only getting about half the casts in as anyone else. What also tends to happen with planted healers like shaman, is that they wait to see the cast complete before starting the next one. With high lag/low frames, this problem just gets worse. She needs to start casting her next spell (yes, you can do that, it's called server side queuing), probably with 1/4 of the bar left to go. There is an addon which can tell her how to do this, but I have no idea what it is called or how to search for it. But basically the addon will add a small red section to the tail end of her casting bars, and in that red section, if she starts a cast, it will begin casting immediately after her current casts finishes. If the lag is so bad that the red bar takes up more than 1/4 of a long cast bar, then technical solutions will probably go farther than playstyle solutions.

[Shishnarfne]

Originally Posted by Karoht

There is an addon which can tell her how to do this, but I have no idea what it is called or how to search for it. But basically the addon will add a small red section to the tail end of her casting bars, and in that red section, if she starts a cast, it will begin casting immediately after her current casts finishes. If the lag is so bad that the red bar takes up more than 1/4 of a long cast bar, then technical solutions will probably go farther than playstyle solutions.

I can help by providing the name of this AddOn: Quartz. I manually download it from Curse (from what I hear, the Curse client is a bad idea).

I can also second that poor framerate can hurt healing effectiveness. While on my old laptop, I'd barely be able to heal some fights on my priest because I was trying to play a slideshow.

Server-side queuing: a caster's best friend since Blizzard stopped giving bosses resistance to certain elements.

[Karoht]

Originally Posted by Shishnarfne

I can help by providing the name of this AddOn: Quartz. I manually download it from Curse (from what I hear, the Curse client is a bad idea).

I can also second that poor framerate can hurt healing effectiveness. While on my old laptop, I'd barely be able to heal some fights on my priest because I was trying to play a slideshow.

Server-side queuing: a caster's best friend since Blizzard stopped giving bosses resistance to certain elements.

Curse client stopped being loaded with viruses about the same time they got picked up by ZAM Official. My frequent scans will attest that Curse Client is perfectly safe these days.

I may have to add Quartz into my list of goodies.

[The Glyphstone]

Are you going to have an in-game wedding?

[Alarra]

Finally managed to get myself up to raiding ready and joined our group Friday and Sunday. This weekend we got down the first two bosses of MSV but kept running up against the enrage timer on the third.

[Cerlis]

Originally Posted by Togath

Aye the grummles are cute, I more meant it seemed odd at the time(since out of saurok, mushan, mogu, wind serpent, grummle, bug thingies. all but one is some sort of fierce monster, or powerful beast)



Ah, so that's why they looked familiar(I think I've seen bits of the haruhi dance, and well as the second one before, which would explain the déjà vu)

I think it makes more sense when you consider Jinyu, Hozen, and more imporantly Pandaren. The Pandaren seem like the perfect race to rule an island to allow a small rare race like the Grimmle (a race of small traders and sherpa) to thrive.

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As for Garrosh, yea he doesnt turn evil. He was always neutral at best, and he is his father's son. I dont need to list all the stuff he's done (not even Theramore, which thrall and almost every Horde leader was against), nor list all the lines he is crossing in 5.1. I'll just say that it is a fact that his only regrets over his duel with Cairne is that he was tricked by the grimtotem witch and he would never know if he could have beat Cairne. And we see this in a bit of narrative that is taking place from his point of view, which any mind reader will tell you is the way to get the most honest truth.

[Togath]

Originally Posted by Cerlis

not even Theramore, which thrall and almost every Horde leader was against

What happened in Theramore?
Was the nuke a part of a plotline?