Oriental Kingmaker (OOC)

[Ruik]

So then we try:

Leadership Role	Person	Stat	Bonus	Attribute
Ruler	Su-Lin Ma	Cha	+4	Pick one
Ruler's Spouse	-	Cha	0	Pick one
Councillor	Saito Atsuo	Wis	+4	Loyalty
General	Abe Hiroki	Str	+4	Stability
Diplomat	Kazimasu Kenjiro	Int	+4	Stability
High Priest	-	Wis	0	Stability
Magister	Jiang Mingmei	Int	+4	Economy
Marshal	-	Dex	0	Economy
Assassin	-	Str/Dex	0	Loyalty
Spymaster	Ikiruhe Dajan	Dex	+5	Pick one
Treasurer	-	Int/Wis	0	Economy
Warden	-	Str/Con	0	Loyalty

Originally Posted by Princess

Also, here's a finished picture of my character!
http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/o...tang-color.png

Princess is artistic!

[Morrolan]

Building a mill would make sense, since according to rivers run red, it could be a mill used to cut limber as well.

And a granary once we have that farmland.

[shugyosha]

Caster Tower I think should be the first big purchase for the city. It turns out magic items that can be sold to improve BP income.

[Princess]

My thought would be, after the necessities, to focus on flexible buildings first. Anything that provides more BP would qualify as flexible, in my opinion, or anything that serves multiple inherent purposes. So a mill can be on the short list, as well. But we can use querns if we need to, and I don't imagine anyone will learn "summon BP" soon ;)

[Ruik]

So looking at our current kingdom character sheet, thoughts on where our ruler and spy master should direct their attentions at the moment? Various options include:
- Both boost Economy = Economy 15, Loyalty 10, Stability 8
- Both boost Stability = Economy 6, Loyalty 10, Stability 17
- Ruler Economy & Spy Stability = Economy 10, Loyalty 10, Stability 13
- Spy Economy & Ruler Stability = Economy 11, Loyalty 10, Stability 12

At this point I'm actually partial to a double boost to economy. Worst that could happen is that we get some unrest, and then we can switch to double boost to stability as required to bring it back down. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Morithias

Please go to the OOC thread, and pick the location for the two buildings.

Without actually seeing the land, I vote we leave the bottom left square for our eventual waterfront (the tile when rotated fits that way on the grid). We could then put a pier on the middle square, in the bottom left city block. From there we could add a mill to the right of the pier eventually. Again, Thoughts?

Edit:
Totally forgot to mention the housing block. So I had the pier in the bottom square, in the bottom left city block. We could put the houses in the top left city block for that square, keeping our newly established town together for the moment. I'm not much of a city planner though.

[Zrak]

Presuming our unrest is at zero, currently, I'd have one of them boost each. An economy bonus of 15 would award one BP more than an economy boost of 10 with the same role, and succeeding at a stability role with zero unrest gives one BP, so we'd end up with the same number of BP, but a better chance of not getting any unrest. That said, I suppose the double economy boost makes it more certain we'd pass the income check, which would be pretty bad to fail. On the other hand, it's good to have a pretty high stability bonus in case anything out of the ordinary happens, too.

I agree entirely with Ruik's land placement plan.

Also, am I reading correctly that only edicts generate consumption, or am I missing some mention of consumption from existing buildings?

[Ruik]

Originally Posted by Ruik

- Ruler Economy & Spy Stability = Economy 10, Loyalty 10, Stability 13

So this is the one your talking about? Seems fair enough, and I'd forgotten about the 1BP for a successful stability check with 0 unrest.

[Princess]

I like that plan best - stability a couple points higher, everything pretty close.

[Zrak]

Either that or Ruler Stability/Spy economy (E11/L10/S12), since they're not too different. The extra econ point gives us a small (10%) chance of earning an extra BP, for whatever that's worth.

[Morithias]

Originally Posted by Zrak

Also, am I reading correctly that only edicts generate consumption, or am I missing some mention of consumption from existing buildings?

Your consumption is equal to the number of hexes you have (Size), the number of cities you have (duh), Your edicts, and your military (covered later).

Farm hexes reduce BP by 1. (1 bp cost for the hex, -2 for the farm land).

[Ruik]

Originally Posted by Zrak

Either that or Ruler Stability/Spy economy (E11/L10/S12), since they're not too different. The extra econ point gives us a small (10%) chance of earning an extra BP, for whatever that's worth.

Fair enough, I'm happy with that. We also get +1 E and +1S from the pier as well.

Edit:
I just had a look, and I haven't seen TechnoScrabble post in the OOC or IC threads... Last thing I saw was him post in the recruitment thread asking if his character was good to go. Might want to chase him up...

[shugyosha]

I think a high stability is good for now. We can't make much BP on economy alone. The only reward for a high economy right now is if we were selling magic items. Selling one minor item is 2 BP. If we get a caster tower we will be making 3 minor and 2 medium items. That's when we boost economy.

Right now our DC is 21 so we should fail one or two rolls on average. We should stack the deck to the one we really want to make.

[Ruik]

Originally Posted by Ruik

- Both boost Stability = Economy 6, Loyalty 10, Stability 17

So that would use the above set? I guess, but if you pass your economy roll by exceeding the DC of 21, then wouldn't you get a minimum of 4BP? Seems like were giving up on a chance at BP to have a near guarantee on stability...

[shugyosha]

Is that how it works? I thought it was divide by 5 after subtracting the DC. Your way makes more sense. If that is true then our priority should be economy, then stability and finally loyalty for now.

[Morithias]

"Step 4 - Generate income: Make an economy check against your command Dc at the end of your income phase. If you're successful, divide your result by 5 (dropping any fractions) and increase your treasury's BP by that amount"

[TechnoScrabble]

Oh, sweet! I get to be the general! I'm gonna try and be good to our soldiers, then.

Do I get to don a spiffy outfit? Because a monkey in a monkey suit is too funny.

Also, I'm new to kingmaker, so I'm not sure if I have any sugegstions for how we build things, other than possibly putting in some sturdy walls and foudnations to build on, and going for a pretty geometric street layout that's easy to defend and keep track of.

EDIT:

And I plan to have a sketch of Abe up soon.

EDITEDIT: And I'll have an IC post up once I can reach a computer that doesn't block mythweavers.

[shugyosha]

We still have to place the pier and housing down. Do we want them in the same district? Either way, there should be a simple numbering system for the placement. May I suggest we go from left to right and then up to down and number them (so that the upper left corner is 1 and bottom right is 9). Then each of the four boxes in the district be labeled by a letter: a for the top left and d for the bottom right.

Also have we decided on an alignment for the kingdom.

[Ruik]

Originally Posted by TechnoScrabble

Do I get to don a spiffy outfit? Because a monkey in a monkey suit is too funny.

Spiffy outfits are encouraged in this part of the world.

Okay, trying to draw all of this together for the DM, how are we all feeling about the following:

-Ruler Stability/Spy economy (E11/L10/S12)?
-Box 7 set aside for our future waterfront
-Box 8(b) is our pier, and 8(a) as the housing?

Edit:
Could we get some names to match our NPC members of the ruling council, so I don't have to say "the head of the warriors we brought with us"?

Edit 2:
Screw it the head of our soldiers is Matsu Kaigen

Edit 3:
Balls. Had a massive post in the IC thread and lost the whole thing. I hate it when that happens

[shugyosha]

Originally Posted by Ruik

-Box 8(b) is our pier, and 8(a) as the housing?

I think you meant Box 8c or 8d for the pier as they are squares on the edge.

a b
c d

[Ruik]

Huh, had a bit of a moment there. So I meant box 7 for the waterfront, 8(a) for the housing, 8(c) for the pier, and potentially 8(d) for a mill. I realise it means housing backing onto the pier, so if we want to do something else I'm open to suggestions.

[Morithias]

Ruik

I will give them names.

[Ruik]

No worries, I have updated my IC post to reflect this. Just wanted a name in the text rather than a long winded statement about their position.

Edit:
Double 8's, really dice roller? Really?

[Princess]

Why did you roll a d10 for skill checks?

[Ruik]

Not paying attention? Failing at life?

Also those rolls were better.

[shugyosha]

SInce no one has answered I will say our kingdom is LN that will give us +2 to econ and +2 to stab.

@Technoscrabble: Is Abe his last or first name?

@Zrak: Is Atsuo with the group

I was hoping that all the PC's join the expedition as it gives us something to do. I fear that staying and over seeing the building will just bore those players into dropping the game.

[Morrolan]

My character is not with the expedition currently, but don't worry, I'm not dropping this game ^^
I just figured it would make more sense for my character, even though as a player I know that I might miss out on interesting stuff. (Like meeting other kitsune)

[TechnoScrabble]

Abe is his first name. So I should list him as Hiroki Abe, but it's easier for me not to eff up if I list him as Abe Hiroki when OOC.

[Ruik]

Originally Posted by shugyosha

SInce no one has answered I will say our kingdom is LN that will give us +2 to econ and +2 to stab.

According to the kingdom character sheet in the OP, the alignment for our kingdom is CG, the same as our ruler.

Question for DM - does the fact that, in an oriental setting, our new settlement is going to grow valuing doing the right thing over the laws/honour that are usually paramount according to the Rokugan Campaign setting matter?

Edit:

Originally Posted by Morrolan

My character is not with the expedition currently, but don't worry, I'm not dropping this game ^^
I just figured it would make more sense for my character, even though as a player I know that I might miss out on interesting stuff. (Like meeting other kitsune)

Yes and no... You are our diplomat, so that could have been helpful. I guess we didn't really expect to run into anyone though.

[shugyosha]

Rokugan also has knowledge battle, will we use that skill?

[Morithias]

Originally Posted by shugyosha

Rokugan also has knowledge battle, will we use that skill?

I might allow a check to give small bonuses to attack and defence, assuming you end up at war with any of the civilizations here.