@Acanous & Penguinator
Is my writing that bad? lol
@Illven
There's no defense boost. If you get turned into stone and a monster just so happens to tweak your arm off, you take an incap, same as had you not been made of stone. Relax, I'm not going to be throwing petrification around like they're alms for the poor.
Sure, I can generate some NPCs who are bitter about Nina bailing on them as soon as Tiffany died.
@GrassyGnoll
I'm not really sure what you want me to do here.
@Ascaloth
I am on the edge of my seat with anticipation. Tell me more about this plot point that will definately never ever come up again in the future.
... I will laugh if he is someone from the Kubravarain family.
@Acanous & Penguinator
Is my writing that bad? lol
@Illven
There's no defense boost. If you get turned into stone and a monster just so happens to tweak your arm off, you take an incap, same as had you not been made of stone. Relax, I'm not going to be throwing petrification around like they're alms for the poor.
Sure, I can generate some NPCs who are bitter about Nina bailing on them as soon as Tiffany died.
@GrassyGnoll
I'm not really sure what you want me to do here.
@Ascaloth
I am on the edge of my seat with anticipation. Tell me more about this plot point that will definately never ever come up again in the future.
... I will laugh if he is someone from the Kubravarain family.
Where is this Zombie Aramel? I'm confused!
now is an incap the same as the two count equals death, or as you're out for the map.
I think Grassygnoll is complaining about a perceived lack of creativity on the players backstories part. I don't think it's directed at you.
@Penguinator
Oh, no, that's what I was going for. That's good.
Thanks for elaborating.
@Illven
Incap as in part-of-two-deaths.
Actually, now that I think about it, that does run a bit counter to my philosophy on save-or-die spells (hint: not a fan).
New Ruling: It's an Incap as in "you're out of the map and not coming back" but won't add an actual Incap. count unless the party wipes or something equally terrible.
I'm pretty busy until the weekend, but I'll talk to you about some NPCs then.
Edit: "Zombie Aramel" on Post #877 of the IC thread.
@Penguinator
Oh, no, that's what I was going for. That's good.
Thanks for elaborating.
@Illven
Incap as in part-of-two-deaths.
Actually, now that I think about it, that does run a bit counter to my philosophy on save-or-die spells (hint: not a fan).
New Ruling: It's an Incap as in "you're out of the map and not coming back" but won't add an actual Incap. count unless the party wipes or something equally terrible.
I'm pretty busy until the weekend, but I'll talk to you about some NPCs then.
Edit: "Zombie Aramel" on Post #877 of the IC thread.
I assumed only Madeline saw that.
Oh okay, Then stone's not my favorite condition, but it's not like getting hit by Stone is a death sentence now for anyone with 1 incap
(Because we all know that with Sairyu hard mode, the stone users will go first )
@Ascaloth
I am on the edge of my seat with anticipation. Tell me more about this plot point that will definately never ever come up again in the future.
... I will laugh if he is someone from the Kubravarain family.
In 'e Bloodwind's cadre, 'twas a tramp and a noble son,
Best buds, together they slew all 'e rest.
Saith 'e Bloodwind, "there can only be one",
O by 'e Five, wha' a terrible, cruel jest!
Frankly, I was going to create a new character, and hadn't considered that the said 'murdered pupil' could be a Kubravarian until now. Hmmm.
EDIT: Grassy has an alternative at Post #782, and frankly I'll throw my vote to his plans for the most part, save those for Callum, Imeena, Lloyd, and Durnock since I'm still undecided. Votes, guys?
In 'e Bloodwind's cadre, 'twas a tramp and a noble son,
Best buds, together they slew all 'e rest.
Saith 'e Bloodwind, "there can only be one",
O by 'e Five, wha' a terrible, cruel jest!
Frankly, I was going to create a new character, and hadn't considered that the said 'murdered pupil' could be a Kubravarian until now. Hmmm.
EDIT: Grassy has an alternative at Post #782, and frankly I'll throw my vote to his plans for the most part, save those for Callum, Imeena, Lloyd, and Durnock since I'm still undecided. Votes, guys?
If you think 782 is better, sure. But I think your moves for Callum, Imeena, Lloyd, and Durnock are superior. So I vote for yours for those four.
@Sairyu & Ascaloth: I'm not asking for any censor, just making a reality check on tropes. Pointing out the WiR trope was meant to lead into the problematic themes surrounding Falcon's narrative. Or why the insertion of rape for drama is woefully unnecessary and backwards. To quote:
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Fearing the worst, Falcon joins the Lions to storm the bandit/pirate hideout, and it was him who found Karina... and well, connect the dots, everyone. She dies from the abuse she suffered just a few minutes afterwards, and a Falcon in grief proceeds to tear through half the bandits/pirates, but was too green to avoid getting taken down by the bandit/pirate leader. He almost dies at the latter's hands, if Mialy himself had not arrived in time and took the leader down hard by himself.
Although Mialy and the Lions try to convince a grieving Falcon it was not his fault, he concludes that he was still too weak and didn't deserve to be a Lion, and leaves the company to pursue greater strength. This is the beginning of Falcon as a Rutger.
In this instance, Marina is a substitute for the dignity of Falcon. While Marina is the sole victim of the not-even-implied rape (and dies in waif-like obscurity), in a matter of minutes she is eclipsed by Falcon as the epicenter of drama, as his emotional reaction to her death has lead him to vulnerability and victimization (only with a punctual rescue this time). Notice that the rape is violent, revealed dramatically and committed by strangers; instead of structural, unreported or acted out by persons familiar to the victim. By transplanting a real world atrocity into a fantasy setting we lose every factor which makes rape a pervasive and heinous crime and imply a new wildly inaccurate rape myth.
A non-issue this campaign will be the suicide rates of Hirothan, Farin and Bercan troopers because that is not a real world concern we can impose on a fantasy setting. Still, in the real world, an American service member is more likely to kill themselves than be killed by an Iraqi after a tour of duty overseas.
The locus of drama continues to revolve around Falcon as our designated subject. So he has survivor's guilt. Okay. But his motives hardly budge. He's a philanderer, mercenary and pupil still. There's no turn besides his employer. It's as if you wanted to add some degrading circumstance to make the character more rugged, but instead of actually besmirching the subject, there was a female substitute. Random suggestion: if you want your male character to be impacted by rape, make him the personal victim of rape. Make him the offspring of rape and a broken home. Make him a sex worker or john. Not just a proxy or 'honest guy' that tried to stop it from happening. Falcon can be believably outraged at Edgar's suggestions of rape whether or not he's a personal victim. It's his reaction and role as a first responder which rouses my scrutiny.
Rape, like drug culture, is hard to write about and not something you should address without intense personal reference. It is almost impossible to not sensationalize the material.
@Ilven: Admittedly, no. Adele is not a font of originality and many of the idioms she presents are leaned on quite heavily. On the other hand, I'm not concerned about making a caricature of her sexual and gender identity because it is functional and semi-autobiographical (numerous characters of mine are made from the giblet-stuffing leftovers of insufferable exes; much like sausage, describing the process will forever off-put you toward the product). If you ever feel like my writing is exploitative, you're welcome to pull my card.
I mean, has anyone here not attempted to infer Adele's sexual orientation and gender identity? The hitherto attempt to uncover her shipping potential evokes character development by dramatic irony.
I've kept conspicuously tight lipped about my character (and wholly intend to maintain that precedent) because I have access to a culture from which I can reevaluate and contrast Adele's narration. I'm still in a 'writer space' where I can write dynamically for Adele because her narrative parallels with the media I tune into.
e.g. the DADT ethos
There have been some political developments in the US since this character was drafted, such as the repeal of DADT//
Centuries ago, from the Thirty Years War to the Franco-Prussian war, your typical female bodied member of the colonial military was a male impersonator.
The coincidence of social and political expression is delicious, no? It may be futile to cloy at the impressions of an age past, but making the metaphor is half the fun. There are more intentional allusions, parallels and idioms at play with Adele's character. I'm relying on the progressing narrative to bring them to life. And if you really want some homework for where this character is headed read Stone Butch Blues. I'm resolved to limit Adele's characterization to her dialogue and actions. And some post-RP OOC processing. I don't make forecasts though.
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@Ilven: Admittedly, no. Adele is not a font of originality and many of the idioms she presents are leaned on quite heavily. On the other hand, I'm not concerned about making a caricature of her sexual and gender identity because it is functional and semi-autobiographical (numerous characters of mine are made from the giblet-stuffing leftovers of insufferable exes; much like sausage, describing the process will forever off-put you toward the product). If you ever feel like my writing is exploitative, you're welcome to pull my card.
I mean, has anyone here not attempted to infer Adele's sexual orientation and gender identity? The hitherto attempt to uncover her shipping potential evokes character development by dramatic irony.
I've kept conspicuously tight lipped about my character (and wholly intend to maintain that precedent) because I have access to a culture from which I can reevaluate and contrast Adele's narration. I'm still in a 'writer space' where I can write dynamically for Adele because her narrative parallels with the media I tune into.
e.g. the DADT ethos
There have been some political developments in the US since this character was drafted, such as the repeal of DADT//
Centuries ago, from the Thirty Years War to the Franco-Prussian war, your typical female bodied member of the colonial military was a male impersonator.
The coincidence of social and political expression is delicious, no? It may be futile to cloy at the impressions of an age past, but making the metaphor is half the fun. There are more intentional allusions, parallels and idioms at play with Adele's character. I'm relying on the progressing narrative to bring them to life. And if you really want some homework for where this character is headed read Stone Butch Blues. I'm resolved to limit Adele's characterization to her dialogue and actions. And some post-RP OOC processing. I don't make forecasts though.
I'm not sure making them bits of bad exes are a good idea if you want a consistent character, that will probably cause you to portray them as much more negative then they should be.
Why do I get the feel that your character in time of no princes is an ex that broke up with you because in part you "wouldn't put out" (If you feel uncomfortable answering that, feel free to ignore it)
When has my writing of Nina ever been exploitative?
I try to figure out everyone's sexual orientation if they have a compatible gender with my character, I'm just a shipper of Fire emblem.
About the Adele's characterization thing, I actually do like that, it's different from the rest of us.
I've had another thought about Grassy's critique... and yeah. That particular element was not really all that necessary; it would still work if Karina was simply killed, it would give Falcon the survivor's guilt that motivates him to leave the Lions, and I could always use my initial idea of attributing Falcon's berserk button to both his traditional upbringing and Maly's influence as a lover of women.
I have no idea what I was thinking when I came up with that. I'm sorry, guys.
@Ascaloth
I can PM you some ideas later today for a rework/for ideas on his background if you'd like me to. I haven't slept in more than 48hours though, so I may pass out at some point between now and then.
@Illven
His character in No Princes is a fast-talking ~13y/o street-child. I'm not sure that's exactly relationship material, in any way.
@GrassyGnoll
Oh God, time to reevaluate my NPC roster. OTL
@Ascaloth
I can PM you some ideas later today for a rework/for ideas on his background if you'd like me to. I haven't slept in more than 48hours though, so I may pass out at some point between now and then.
I've had another thought about Grassy's critique... and yeah. That particular element was not really all that necessary; it would still work if Karina was simply killed, it would give Falcon the survivor's guilt that motivates him to leave the Lions, and I could always use my initial idea of attributing Falcon's berserk button to both his traditional upbringing and Maly's influence as a lover of women.
I have no idea what I was thinking when I came up with that. I'm sorry, guys.
The same thing I was thinking when I made my epilogue for Can we all survive (Drama=Good)?
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@Ascaloth
I can PM you some ideas later today for a rework/for ideas on his background if you'd like me to. I haven't slept in more than 48hours though, so I may pass out at some point between now and then.
@Illven
His character in No Princes is a fast-talking ~13y/o street-child. I'm not sure that's exactly relationship material, in any way.
@GrassyGnoll
Oh God, time to reevaluate my NPC roster. OTL
Well yeah but he's also admitted that the character's intended to be a total pervert, so I figured I'd take a guess at what I said up there
The same thing I was thinking when I made my epilogue for Can we all survive (Drama=Good)?
Pretty much, I guess. Once I get an idea, the words usually just flow from my fingers, and I tend not to review them once they're on the screen, ready to be posted.
Pretty much, I guess. Once I get an idea, the words usually just flow from my fingers, and I tend not to review them once they're on the screen, ready to be posted.
Well at least you can keep the stuff with the real Bloodwind. You got something out of it.
I'm voting on Ascaloth's plan. Upon review, Roland is the only character who can kill that south ballista. With another ballista.
Don't think the East team actually needs him, either, unless he's essential to keep Neer on the map somehow.
But it's a very close thing as far as plan choosing goes, and I'm cool either way.
@Sairyu-
I seriously had to read that post three times, twice when it was first posted and once after everyone pointed out that it was the chaplain in first person, not Aramel at all. Now it makes sense.
I thought you were doing something Sacred Stones creepy off in the background with dark magic.
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@Walls of text, Re: Fridge women;
Roland's mother is fine and healthy last he heard from her (Though it is a little infrequent, he's military after all), and his father is the dead NPC in his background. So there's one of the male gender reprisented amongst the refridgerated.
I was preparing another post, but it seems were in the middle of a vote.
I vote for my own east plan and Ascaloth's south plan. We don't need Roland necessarily, but Nina could be vital to dropping Neer a round quicker. He also has a shot to hop on Ballista 11, but with rank B already, he's quite ahead of the WExp curve.
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I haven't decided Oren's past. He left his family for some reason, be they dead or alive or Dracula. He's loyal and likes children, but feels the need to redeem himself for whatever. I think the progenitor of what I initially was leaning towards may have slipped in a little more than intended.
All of this is making me feel guilty about not doing more to flesh out Wotan's character. I never really thought about his past much further than that he was the sort of wide-eyed kid that couldn't resist the call to adventure on the open seas, and never really grew up. Perhaps the best way to give him a bit more depth is to just roll with it for the time being. This war that we're getting embroiled in could be the thing that directs him toward a real goal and gives him something to fight for beyond the thrill of it all. Maybe some supports with the party's more serious types (off the top of my head, someone like Adele, Oren, or Madeline) to provide some contrast, with both parties ultimately moving toward healthier mental attitudes (Wotan becoming more motivated and invested in the world and the other loosening up a bit and learning to enjoy life).
Plan-wise, I'm going to say go with Ascaloth's south plan, and Grassy's east plan.
Also, side note. I'm thinking of starting up a Fire Emblem game of my own. Many of the mechanics would be shifted back to be closer those of FE5, as that's really the high point in the series for me, but even if FE7 is the earliest installment of the series you've played it shouldn't be too foreign to you. Would anyone here want in on such a game? I've got some free time over Thanksgiving that I could use to clear the initial hurdle of getting the rules and some of the bits of lore I've come up with written up and open up a recruitment thread if there's sufficient interest.
All of this is making me feel guilty about not doing more to flesh out Wotan's character. I never really thought about his past much further than that he was the sort of wide-eyed kid that couldn't resist the call to adventure on the open seas, and never really grew up. Perhaps the best way to give him a bit more depth is to just roll with it for the time being. This war that we're getting embroiled in could be the thing that directs him toward a real goal and gives him something to fight for beyond the thrill of it all. Maybe some supports with the party's more serious types (off the top of my head, someone like Adele, Oren, or Madeline) to provide some contrast, with both parties ultimately moving toward healthier mental attitudes (Wotan becoming more motivated and invested in the world and the other loosening up a bit and learning to enjoy life).
Plan-wise, I'm going to say go with Ascaloth's south plan, and Grassy's east plan.
Also, side note. I'm thinking of starting up a Fire Emblem game of my own. Many of the mechanics would be shifted back to be closer those of FE5, as that's really the high point in the series for me, but even if FE7 is the earliest installment of the series you've played it shouldn't be too foreign to you. Would anyone here want in on such a game? I've got some free time over Thanksgiving that I could use to clear the initial hurdle of getting the rules and some of the bits of lore I've come up with written up and open up a recruitment thread if there's sufficient interest.
Sure, Just note, that I have literally never played Fe 5 before, so I'll have no experience
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