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Old 11-19-2012, 12:18 PM   Top  -  End  -  #541
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I don't suppose anyone is going to call Dadagen out on murdering the Maestro without even trying to see if he could be saved. Manta mage at least got an attempt to save him before Miranda "put him out of his misery." But the Maestro got nothing. Hell, Donovan didn't even say anything to the guy, just instantly murdered him by throwing a sword through a portal.
Don't see any reason to delay.
with the Manta, they had a couple of minutes to try before he did something. Here it was "act now or die" moment. Well justified self defense, even if Miranda's shield could hold for a few seconds
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:43 PM   Top  -  End  -  #542
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Once more, I make my pilgrimage to these fine lands and discover that I know roughly nothing about what is going on.

So last time I checked in, Dominic was being tortured by DJ because... DJ needed to score evil points. Given that this is Dominic Deegan, and that this is supposed to be dramatic, I'm guessing that at least one fourth/fifth caste character died and no one in-comic really gives a care?

Or did the comic end and I just came late?
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Two potential allies down, and only the Eld remain. Things are not looking good... except for Luna getting empowered by a dragon's heart. From what some of you have told me, that looked pretty good for our heroes.
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Mookie thinks the Carmina Burana would make a good requiem? Really?
All twenty-five movements of it?
Do you think he knows what a requiem is?

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Old 11-19-2012, 01:59 PM   Top  -  End  -  #544
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From context, he probably meant the overall feel, instrumentation, and themes of the work - which in Carmina Burana's case ranges from loudly praising/complaining about luck to perky drinking songs honoring alcohol as a concept - fit what the Maestro would have wanted.

I'm not sure if Mookie just doesn't know what Carmina Burana is about or if that's actually in-character for the Maestro.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:25 PM   Top  -  End  -  #545
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Honestly, those compositions he listed are all over the place anyway, so I'm going to go with "doesn't actually know what it is".



And this is all I can say today, because when I look at the strip, all I can see is a slowly deflating balloon.
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I kind of doubt Mookie knows anything at all about classical music. The last time he tried including classical music in the comic he aped lines from a clearly comedic song and had his characters comment on how moving and emotional it was. I imagine he never really listens to anything beyond terrible metal but pretends to like classical music to sound more intellectual.
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Translation to the news post: Screw allies, Luna just got SUPER duper stronger.

She is so going to use it for a different kind of beam attack, maybe it will even be shaped as a cone!
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Remind me why Team Deegan was trying to recruit this guy again?

"Behold, I am a lightning mage with very poorly drawn supreme magical pow- oh, there's a sword in my chest. Hrrrrk!"

Can't have been that frigging good if any punk with a sword can come along and oneshot him. =/
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:58 PM   Top  -  End  -  #549
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A First Caste punk with a sword. It's an important distinction.
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:10 PM   Top  -  End  -  #550
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So did Mookie really just straight up steal from Dragonheart? Did that happen?

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Remind me why Team Deegan was trying to recruit this guy again?

"Behold, I am a lightning mage with very poorly drawn supreme magical pow- oh, there's a sword in my chest. Hrrrrk!"

Can't have been that frigging good if any punk with a sword can come along and oneshot him. =/
Yes but mind control.

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Old 11-19-2012, 06:38 PM   Top  -  End  -  #551
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I kind of doubt Mookie knows anything at all about classical music. The last time he tried including classical music in the comic he aped lines from a clearly comedic song and had his characters comment on how moving and emotional it was. I imagine he never really listens to anything beyond terrible metal but pretends to like classical music to sound more intellectual.
Every time Mookie brings up classical music, I can't forget that this is how he draws a violin:
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:57 PM   Top  -  End  -  #552
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Man, I forgot about that. The violin is one thing. Another is this man's expression. He looks like he's about to sneeze. The whole Semashi episode was an undending chain of art that was bad even by DD standards.
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The whole "I'm not really human anymore" foreshadowed some second transformation?
To back to this, the whole point here is that saying he's not fully human means he can be safely murdered guilt free by the Deegans, since DD is a story about how humans are superior.

To cross-post from SA a little.

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See the difference is that the archmages were all alien creatures, which is why they were chumps. A human mage is capable of giving Miranda a fight and only beaten when another human intervenes.

Also notice how he dies immediately after admitting to not being fully human anymore? It's like the cattlebasters, when they were just thought to be masked humans, they were a dangerous threat that captured celesto and luna and quilt had to simply try to evade. Once they were shown to be mutated and no longer truly human, they were just fodder defeated by Greg (a human) screaming at them.

Just like how the dragon got himself killed despite obviously having the heart of a dragon, but expects a human mage to become super powerful with it.

And how the klo tark race have been trapped in their plane for millenia but a human will be able to tell them how to get out.

Or how the werewolves wanted a human mage to help with their lunar divination because that human is better than the other werewolves.

Or how the orc messiah is a human who learned to live with the disability of resembling an orc.

It's why everyone is given sharkteeth right before being shown to be completely evil and then soon defeated, their inferiority is marked by giving them a non-human attribute.

Everything that happens in the comic is just the absolute proof that DJ Callan's notions of human superiority are 100% correct
Also add in that despite all the supposedly superpowered aliens and bad guys of other fantasy species doing stuff, the only DJ/Beast henchmen to actually cause any effect was the Infernomancer, who was originally human. Even all the blight and zombies was just a side effect of Rillian, a human necromancer, being used to channel a spell.
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So from what I gather, Donovan was LARPing Super Mario 64 when this mortally wounded maestro person (who may or may not be that guy back from the battle of the blands arc) starts begging for music. Meanwhile, back at kindergarten, Nimmel rallies Greg and other young people to start protesting the no-hat rule.

I think I'm caught up.
seriously have no idea what's happening, someone help
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To back to this, the whole point here is that saying he's not fully human means he can be safely murdered guilt free by the Deegans, since DD is a story about how humans are superior.

To cross-post from SA a little.



Also add in that despite all the supposedly superpowered aliens and bad guys of other fantasy species doing stuff, the only DJ/Beast henchmen to actually cause any effect was the Infernomancer, who was originally human. Even all the blight and zombies was just a side effect of Rillian, a human necromancer, being used to channel a spell.
Wasn't there something about Karnak still being a human and not a "true" demon?
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Pretty sure there was, yeah. I can't remember if "is a demon lord" or "is actually still human" is the more recent truth, but I feel it's the latter.

Anyway, this got me a bit more excited for Star Power. All those aliens he can screw up...


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Man, I forgot about that. The violin is one thing. Another is this man's expression. He looks like he's about to sneeze.
Every time Mookie tries to write people, I can't forget that this is how he draws a person.

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Old 11-20-2012, 01:13 AM   Top  -  End  -  #557
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Let's all help someone do something!

In the Future!

Or right now.

So they're helping Katya to... while the others help Nimmel with using his cloak but anyways they all end up at the feet of Piggie-Elds strongly suggesting that the Piggies were the ones who did it.

Whatever.
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Old 11-20-2012, 01:40 AM   Top  -  End  -  #558
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Silly Mookie, according to the d20 SRD wiki you have to link hands when using Astral Caravan.
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"Okay, this is going to be really difficult, so oh look it just fell into our laps without any effort on our part!"

Is... is Mookie becoming self-aware? I know we like to joke about him reading our thread, but this is downright creepy.
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Is... is Mookie becoming self-aware? I know we like to joke about him reading our thread, but this is downright creepy.
Hold off on panicking until he starts quoting I Love Dominique. What if this whole year has been him trolling us?
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Well, the body language of the Eld says that they're angry.

Theory: While Nimmel was farting around in the main plane, centuries passed for the Eld. Nimmel is just a legend to them now, and not a very good one at that. So when he appears - and brings uninvited guests at that - the Eld won't be very happy to see him.
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A lengthy search through the Plane of Air and the heart of the Tempest would have been neat, but we've already been on that journey with Nimmel.
I think Mookie must have attended Wally's school of making excuses for laziness.
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Nimmel is just a legend to them now, and not a very good one at that.
"Once, long ago, a weird-looking guy appeared out of nowhere. He didn't have a snout, and he couldn't even breathe. His entire thing was 'controlling weather', but he jumped into the storm at the center of the world like a stupid moron, and probably died, taking an irreplaceable treasure with him."
As legends go, needs a little polish.
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This page is dumb and I hate it. This is even more frustrating to me than the other pages of just showing up because you don't have to show the long tedious journey (I mean, it took all of what, two strips for him to find the Eld last time?) but you could at least show the frustration of not finding it immediately! Ugh, if they don't immediately slaughter them I'm going to be very disappointed.


Edit: Oh and I almost forgot: "I was born ready.". Really, Mookie? With a straight face, you said that?

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"Okay, this is going to be really difficult, so oh look it just fell into our laps without any effort on our part!"

Is... is Mookie becoming self-aware? I know we like to joke about him reading our thread, but this is downright creepy.
Hahaha!

This comic has been a parody of itself for some time, but now Mookie is actually taking shots at himself. Although he's probably completely unaware of that, still...

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Edit: Oh and I almost forgot: "I was born ready.". Really, Mookie? With a straight face, you said that?
I think this - no doubt ironically delivered - corny line from random student #3 here really does a good job driving home that Nimmel, with the consent of the First Caste (including Miranda) just dragged a bunch of clueless teenagers with no actual concept of just how real this whole thing is into a fight against the archmage king, his alien abomination friend, an assortment of horrible mutant wizards, and oh yeah the Infernomancer.





YOU MAY REMEMBER NIMMEL AS THE GUY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY INTRODUCED AS THE SOLE SURVIVOR OF THE INFERNOMANCER'S ATTACK ON ONE OF MIRANDA'S CLASSES.


Just sayin'.




EDIT: Also, the Eld really look like they're about to tell Nimmel that they're not mad, just disappointed.

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"Once, long ago, a weird-looking guy appeared out of nowhere. He didn't have a snout, and he couldn't even breathe. His entire thing was 'controlling weather', but he jumped into the storm at the center of the world like a stupid moron, and probably died, taking an irreplaceable treasure with him."
As legends go, needs a little polish.
Something clearly got lost in the telling.
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YOU MAY REMEMBER NIMMEL AS THE GUY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY INTRODUCED AS THE SOLE SURVIVOR OF THE INFERNOMANCER'S ATTACK ON ONE OF MIRANDA'S CLASSES.
Nope, there were a few survivors. One lost a limb and they made mention of her at the first battle for barthis talking about how she couldnt get a fake limb due to something something infernal magic or whatever. Nimmel was just the first one to crack and give up headmistress deegans position. To save his and his friends lives, and stop the infernomancer from killing everyone else there. (Seriously? Where were the teachers? And even more annoying, why would the murderous monster STOP killing student wizards?)
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"Steffanie, you'll be at the 'helm' of this astral caravan."

Nice analogy fail, Nimmel. I'm pretty sure caravans don't have "helms."
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"Steffanie, you'll be at the 'helm' of this astral caravan."

Nice analogy fail, Nimmel. I'm pretty sure caravans don't have "helms."
I like to think he was making a "screen door on a submarine" sort of comment
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