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2015-06-12, 01:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
Pah, kids these days with their gambits. All about the fancy plays. Back in my day, you saw the person you thought was most suspicious and you voted for them! None of this "Ooh, let's vote for this guy but not tell anybody why, so that they're all left unsure of whether we actually want them dead!" Just good old-fashioned democratic murder. Now that's justice
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2015-06-12, 01:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
In my day, it was all gambits all the time, because they're super fun.
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2015-06-12, 07:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
Chessgeek points at Eldritch Knight for being the least awful of three wagons.
EDIT: To elaborate, I don't want to lynch him because I assume he hasn't played in quite some time, but none of the alternatives seem very wolfish to me. Except Murska. He's always a wolf.Last edited by Chessgeek; 2015-06-12 at 08:18 AM.
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2015-06-12, 09:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
I'm all for either lynching Sapo or EK, but for now I am formally changing my vote to reflect that
Logic points at Eldritch Knight.
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2015-06-12, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
Having had a chance to think while I was working overnight, I have a better way of phrasing why I object to Sapo's strategy. I freely admit that I am not as effective in the early game, as my strength is in the late game. If we lynch the people who are stronger in the late game early on, that's a long-term advantage for the wolves. Perhaps I am too much of an idealist, but I cannot grasp why you'd treat people who are just here to play the game as expendable simply because they do not have a power role. It has ALWAYS been my preference to keep the collateral damage to a minimum, because for every innocent lynched, the wolves are one step closer to winning.
To quote the Doctor, "Just this once, Rose, EVERYBODY LIVES." That is the ideal game scenario for me - taking out the wolves with a significant number of villagers remaining.
Eldritch Knight points at SaposhienteLast edited by Eldritch Knight; 2015-06-12 at 09:40 AM.
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2015-06-12, 09:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
Elenna points at Eldritch Knight for pretty much what everyone else said.
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2015-06-12, 09:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
Sapo, I doubt you intended for this to come across as almost at personal attack, but that's certainly how it seemed to me. Also, didn't we discuss leaving previous games as just that, previous games. For that matter, where have I advocated 'No Lynch' in this game? I've just been saying to collect as much voting information as possible - besides, if one can figure out the pattern of night kills, they can usually pinpoint a few wolves. Case in point: after all of this, if Sapo was nightkilled, wouldn't the finger of suspicion be pointed right at me the next morning? The smart wolves would realize these targets, and as a result can direct the village's pattern of voting. You want to know why I hold back from demonstrating my analytical intellect? Because I don't want to be seen as a threat, by either the wolves OR the village. But obviously, you've decided that I don't have anything of worth to contribute to this game, when you've never even demonstrated an interest in giving me the chance.
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2015-06-12, 10:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
SpoilerWhat kind of paranoid mind sees that as something else. ~ The Narrator, during Stranded in Space.
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2015-06-12, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
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The ghost of DM77 steps out carrying a box. The side says "SOAP" and he turns it over and steps up on it.
Firstly, I want to restate that this was SUPPOSED to be a LIGHT-HEARTED game of Classic. Things are getting WAY too aggressive and serious, and I have already received multiple complaints via PM.
Also, please be reminded that *I* am the Narrator, here, and I will not tolerate unsportsmanlike conduct. If things continue, I will shut down this game and contact the Mods.
Werewolf was always supposed to be fun. Yes, it is a game, and a level of competitiveness is expected, but it was NEVER about who won or lost, but the fun of the game. It was never to be taken so seriously that I have players complaining that they are thinking of quitting and never playing again because a few people have been sucking the life out of the games. Several people have refused returning to play, stating past problems exactly like this. This was a game that builds friendships, not tear them down. We are supposed to be a community here, so why don't we start acting like it?
DM77 now steps off his box.
I have decided that I will not do a "most lynchings at the end of a pre-determined time gets lynched", and will require a 51% or greater majority vote for lynchings for now. I will check in periodically throughout the day, and revisit this later. Vote count to come later this afternoon, around 1pm Central Time.My Awsome Sig!
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2015-06-12, 12:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
Everyone should try to keep in mind the following simple heuristic: If, when writing a post, you suspect that some part of it might be construed as an insult, rewrite it immediately and repeat until the problem is fixed. If you can't, just don't post it.
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2015-06-12, 12:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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I say we completely leave our fate in the hands of the trustworthy Murska and continue in complete safety.
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2015-06-12, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-06-12, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
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2015-06-12, 01:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-06-12, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
Let's move the discussion of how Werewolf ought to be played to Central; I've made a large post there. In the meantime I stand by my conclusion that EK's strategy is not the correct one to win the game and will not further discuss it unless someone asks for further evidence about this point.
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2015-06-12, 01:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
I want to clarify their style: is EK the one who doesn't really do anything if they're not a power role?
EDIT: Because yeah, I gotta agree; doing nothing because you feel powerless just lets the wolves win; they're the only ones who gain anything by the village behaving so apathetically. Imagine if every villager did that in a game.Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2015-06-12 at 01:41 PM.
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2015-06-12, 01:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
That is my first reason for lynching him, but it is not the subject of the larger debate.
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2015-06-12, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
Ah, and here is the error. Just because you don't see me doing anything doesn't mean that I am doing nothing. I take copious notes for my personal use, sorting out voting histories. As this is a no PM game, this means that I have no means of sharing my observations without putting myself at risk of nightkill. If you really think that I'm a useless player, I would strongly recommend that you look up past games. Specifically Mafia II, as that was my strongest game here.
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2015-06-12, 01:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
You won as wolf in that game. I have seen you make strong plays--as a wolf. I do not doubt your wolfing skill. But that is only more reason to lynch you. Show us a game in which you were a villager with no powers but still made a great contribution to town.
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2015-06-12, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
I wasn't insinuating myself that you used that style; I was merely trying to confirm what I recalled seeing Sapo post earlier in the thread about your playstyle. My comment was about the "apathetic villager" playstyle, not your playstyle in particular (unless that's your playstyle, which I'm not entirely sure it is).
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2015-06-12, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
I don't always use that style - it all depends on what my role is. Usually, if I'm just a villager, I keep my head down and my ears open. More often than not, you end up being the swing vote, and that's the true power of the vanilla villager. Wolves use it too, but it's more risky for them to do so that it is for a villager. Which is why most bandwagons have a mix of villagers and wolves. It's not surprising for wolves to point at each other in the first few days of play, either - because voting records can be used to clear oneself of suspicion, at least temporarily.
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2015-06-12, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-06-12, 02:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-06-12, 02:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-06-12, 02:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
Firstly, I would like to state that none of my comments were supposed to be aimed at any one player, though Central now has some "discussion" about the matter. That said, I saw the tone of the game going in a bad direction, and with the combination of the complaints in my email and PM inboxes, I had to address it. I know I'm not a Mod, but I'm pretty sure that I get at least a *little* say as to what goes on in a game I am "running" (or Narrating/or whatever you want to call it), and I just want us to have a good time.
In that spirit, thank you Legato, and I hope everyone feels the same way.
Now, assuming we can put this messiness out of the way behind all of us, back to our regularly scheduled broadcast:
Current Voting Tallies, in order of most to least:
Eldritch Knight: 7 votes
Saposhiente: 5 votes
Logic: 2 votes
Luizeu: 2 votes
Xihirli: 2 votes
Murska: 1 vote
Mordokai: 1 vote
Elenna: 1 vote
ThePhantom: 1 vote
B-Man: 1 vote
"Lloyd" (non-existant player): 1 vote
*Lloyd looks up and gasps..."HEY NOW!! I'm just the garbage collector! I'm not a werewolf! Stop voting for me!!!"
*Lloyd goes back to picking up the trash...My Awsome Sig!
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2015-06-12, 03:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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We don't have a player named Lloyd?
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2015-06-12, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf Classic XIX: Return to Transylvania
Lloyd was banned from play for being un-killable. Bizarrely, Wolves don't like eating garbage. Or people who smell like garbage.
Legato points at Lex, because the wolves in the intro were preoccupied with food preparation, and Lex has cake. Cake=Food. Food=Eating.Humans eat cakes. Lex has had that cake for weeks and weeks. What normal human being wouldn't eat a cake after long? It makes no sense.
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2015-06-12, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-06-12, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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You captured the essence of Stupid Evil (my alignment) quite well, I wanted to keep it.
I've recently considered shifting over to Chaotic Stupid.
Or I could go for Stupid Stupid. ("True Stupid") That would invent a whole new alignment!
Anyway, I was flattered, so I'm keeping it forever.
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EDIT: Yay! I'm a Murskite!Last edited by Xihirli; 2015-06-12 at 04:01 PM.
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2015-06-12, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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