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2018-09-05, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1139 - The Discussion Thread
We know that the Dark One is from this World (assuming he didn't lie to Red) but not the others. Dvalin and the elven gods may be from other worlds and it's possible that Thrym or Surtur are ascended mortals, maybe from other worlds. Apotheosis is probably a very rare thing and the first worlds probably weren't there long enough for it to happen. And the more it happens the less likely it is to happen again. The goblins have a messiah figure in the form of the Dark One, they don't need two.
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2018-09-05, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1139 - The Discussion Thread
"The genealogical trees at the end of the Red Book of Westmarch are a small book in themselves, and all but Hobbits would find them exceedingly dull." -J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
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2018-09-05, 01:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-09-05, 01:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1139 - The Discussion Thread
... And this is now my answer to why ascended gods don't survive to the next iteration: they are NOT outside the world. When the threads of reality are re-spun into a new world, the gods ascended from that world are still made up of those reality threads, and they get unraveled together with everything else.
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2018-09-05, 01:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1139 - The Discussion Thread
This whole "stop the snarl" slash "Prevent the world from being destroyed" missions suddenly feels... a lot less do-able.
Suddenly the world being consumed by the Snarl seems to be more like an inevitable part of nature, then some tragedy that needs to be avoided.Last edited by Draconi Redfir; 2018-09-05 at 01:33 PM.
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2018-09-05, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1139 - The Discussion Thread
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...Hoooo ...leee ... CRAP.
World n3+(x*y), anyone?
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2018-09-05, 01:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1139 - The Discussion Thread
"You know, Durkon, I built this planet up from nothing. When I started here, all there was was a snarl. All the other gods said we were daft to build a planet over a snarl, but I built it all the same, just to show then. It got eaten by the snarl. So we built a second one. It got eaten by the snarl. So we built a third one. It got eaten by the snarl...
...so we built a five millionth, three hundreth, twenty first one. That one burned down, fell over, then got eaten by the snarl, but the five millionth, three hundreth, and twenty second one stayed up! Or at least, it has been until now."Everything dissolves into blue.
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2018-09-05, 01:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1139 - The Discussion Thread
What a guy!
But!
If the Dark One is a tool (witting or unwitting) of the Snarl, then the Plan is really the *Snarl's* Plan.
So, once the ritual gives the Dark One the ability to release the Snarl anywhere he wants, he (or the Snarl) almost certainly *will* try to kill all of the other Gods (assuming that that really is the Snarl's goal).
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2018-09-05, 01:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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I want you to PEACH me as hard as you can.
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2018-09-05, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1139 - The Discussion Thread
What are the shapes of the tombstone called ?
is it statement about something about a transition from a half completed to full world ?
Is it a famous sculpture or a piercing ?
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2018-09-05, 01:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: About what happened in #1139
Hard disagree. Three mutually contradictory proposed reasons from the #1139 discussion thread:
- The gods improve the Snarl's prison by building it with extra layers. The internal world is why the rifts took so long to appear in this iteration of the world.
- The internal world is a part of the mechanism of the gates, and is the reason the Snarl did not notice the unsealed rift(s) until Laurin started poking around.
- The Snarl, a being formed from a mass of creative disagreements, is itself creating one or more worlds within its prison ("worlds within worlds and yarn winding yarn"), using the power it gained from the souls it devoured in the past (or something to that effect), and/or from the gods it killed.
I think you're implying that the world within is a partially built replacement world, or a template for the same, which would bring the total number of theories to (at least) four. The third is my personal favorite, and I think the first is probably the weakest, but we don't really have much to go on. All four are at least somewhat plausible, and this particular comic does very little to distinguish them, other than (kind of) raising the idea of the fourth.Last edited by unbeliever536; 2018-09-05 at 01:47 PM.
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2018-09-05, 01:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1139 - The Discussion Thread
So... the Snarl is basically Twitter?
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2018-09-05, 01:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1139 - The Discussion Thread
If as a God you don't represent an ideal, why would mortals worship you.
Mortals tend to want simple religious rules - ie trees are evil for example. If you give them nuance they stare at you with wide eyes waiting for something they can mentally relate to.
However if a mortal figures something out, hmm trees might not be evil, after studying trees, or traveling outside of the mountain to forest regions, it allows the gods to also be a bit more complicated.
I participate in a watercolor forum where we give advice to new artists. Often we see this pattern, beginners always asking the same questions. We know where they are headed, but they only want the answers to their questions on their terms. They cannot be just told what they need to know, unless they are ready to hear it, anything you say just goes right on past them, instead you have to wait to tell them when they seem ready to understand. It's almost like they cannot learn a given technique until they received enough XP to unlock it ( XP is earned thru practice ), and there seems to be a certain progression in growth.
This seems similar to understandings of ethics, morals, beliefs, myths, of just wisdom in how they progress, the Gods are not only powered by their followers, they cannot actually go faster than those worshippers, they are stuck with them.
It's a circular bit of logic that goes both ways. What the Gods are is limited by their worshippers, and the worshippers are shaped by their Gods, its a co-dependency. A mortal does not have the same rules, thus has a freedom that all powerful deities don't.
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2018-09-05, 01:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1139 - The Discussion Thread
Could be.
As old as time itself.
I'd like to see Rich confirm that. Sounds plausible. Weary, they might be.
Heh, nice one.
Fits with the meta explanation of what the Snarl is, per Rich.
Nice take. This goes back to V "Perhaps we do not know everything we ought to regarding the task which we are undertaking. " ... talking to black wing at the end of book 5
That too.
Or as Belkar put it, "Maybe someone's been yanking everyone's chain."
Or as Roy put it, "the truth is, we don't know what is really going on anymore"Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2018-09-05 at 01:59 PM.
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b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2018-09-05, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1139 - The Discussion Thread
Did not see THAT coming.
Wow!
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2018-09-05, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1139 - The Discussion Thread
When Loki talked in #998 about "there will still be, like, ten to fifteen minutes", i assumed he pulled some numbers out of thin air.
No, that was based on empirical data.
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2018-09-05, 02:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-09-05, 02:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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And when you have created all those worlds, and waited the thousands of years it took each of them to die, the first second in the life of an immortal will have passed.
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2018-09-05, 02:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wow. Holy Cheese.
...could this explain the 'monstrous humanoids' situation of this world? The Gods creating an attempt to try and power level some clerics high enough to do something about the snarl before it eats the world again? Sure, you're consigning untold billions to meaningless, painful deaths; but if those are the price paid against the untold mega-trillions the snarl gobbles with every world, the gods might have seen it as a price worth paying to delay or rid themselves of snarl-issues.
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2018-09-05, 02:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1139 - The Discussion Thread
I don't get why both of you seem to think this strip says, "This world will inevitably be destroyed soon, no matter what the Order of the Stick or anyone in it does!"
Nothing has changed for the Dark One, for Xykon, for the Order, or for anyone who's been in the comic thus far. One claim by Lord Shojo has been refuted: the current world is not uniquely flawed and a replacement world would still allow the Snarl a chance to escape. In fact, if anything, mortals have more power to affect the situation than previously thought, if the Order of the Scribble's construction of the gates is the only reason why the world didn't come apart shortly after the rifts appeared.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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Oh.
Dear.
God.
I. Wow. I don't know what I was expecting but it. Was. Not that. Holy crap.I am: Neutral Good: -2 chaos, -21 evil and 15 balance!
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Excuse me a minute, I need to go find my jaw. I'm sure it's around here somewhere.
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2018-09-05, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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As for "where are the other ascended gods", I suspect that they fade and die when their worshippers fade and die because unlike the Regular Pantheon Gods, they're powered strictly by belief.
Thor, Odin, Marduk, Tiamat, Rat, Dragon, and the rest of the Three Pantheons each lay claim to power by a fundamental idea... if that makes sense. They are the ones granted actual Portfolios by a Higher Power (the Overgod for a Forgotten Realms example, the writers for a meta DND example).
The Elven God of Knowledge, as an example, what power do they if there are no more elves? The other Gods represent things set forth in the Rules Of Creation. Knowledge might be a part of one of their Portfolios. Who's to say they might next time say "eh let's try making Elves completely evil this time around!" and all of a sudden that God is completely invalid.
So the Dark One's belief that he can argue about the fate of the Goblinoids in the (what he believes to be) "Third" World is invalid because he will no longer exist, he is a God of World 631,532,242,125 and once no Goblins are left to believe in him he dies and the souls of his followers go to the Outer Realm that most favors their Alignment (as is standard in The Rules for all other mortals)... or fade into nothing because they're not Player Races.
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2018-09-05, 02:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yup:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0276.html
which does make me wonder - how did he come to believe that in the first place?Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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