Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot

[Kornaki]

Class and Level Geekery XVII - When You Wish Upon a Stat

I like this one.

[Emanick]

I like this one.

Yeah, this is my vote too.

[Schroeswald]

I support When You Wish Upon a Stat, and then off course XVIII is Everyone’s an Expert.

[danielxcutter]

I support When You Wish Upon a Stat, and then off course XVIII is Everyone’s an Expert.

Agreed with the former, don't get the latter.

[Kurald Galain]

Thanks to Schroeswald's research, we now have a listing for Right-Eye, who fits right in the "family" section.

I have him at rogue 2+ based on disintegrate not dissolving him, to get his saving throw he’d have to succeed in at least a 23

It is more likely that he rolled a 20 on his save, than that Redcloak rolled 14 on 14d6 (and it's actually 26d6...) I mean, Right-Eye was probably of comparable level to Redcloak's at that point, but disintegrate isn't evidence thereof.
However, he one-shotted a treant, and I don't see him doing anywhere near enough damage without a critical hit or sneak attack. Since treants are normally immune to those, it appears Right-Eye has a feat or item for it. The only suitable item I found are Deathstrike Bracers, a common pick for rogues; it turns out (a) these are well within his budget if he's near Redcloak's level at that point; and (b) we know Redcloak has the feat to Craft them, if need be.
Do we have other potential explanations for the treant scene?

(edit) Changed Minrah to Fighter; added Knockdown and Improved Unarmed Strike feats. Added plate armor to Hilgya; death domain, spellcraft to Malack; burning hands and vamp touch to Zyk- er- Xykon; EWP to O-Chul; gear and key to Scruffy.

Doesn’t V’s source for spellcraft say that V has more ranks in it than the rest of the party?

No, because we know the DC for recognizing a Darkness spell. The others must have failed their checks.

And yes, let's hear support for that new thread title!

[Peelee]

Wish Upon a Stat is my vote

[Rogar Demonblud]

Likewise for me.

[Doug Lampert]

Likewise for me.

I suspect that: Class and Level Geekery XVII - When You Wish Upon a Stat
is going to win by acclimation. It's just too perfect to not use.

[MultitudeMan]

This gets my vote too!

[Quartz]

Since we're going to be on the last book and happenstance leads us to the end of this thread, Class and Level Geekery XVII - The Final Countdown seems more appropriate.

[Ephemera]

Agreed with the former, don't get the latter.

Expert is an NPC class, with good access to assorted skills (and, of course, like all NPC classes wildly underpowered compared to pretty much any PC build). Proposing builds that involve expert tends to be the ultimate in Rube Goldberg explanations for observed feats (I.e. the frost giant shaman is actually an Expert and scribed scrolls into his skin as tattoos and that’s how he casts all his spells), although I think we’ve seen some semi- or maybe even totally serious proposals involving it. Hence we could theoretically probably build most of the characters as Experts, even though they’re probably not. Similarly, of course, everyone in this thread, just lowercase e...

Bonus points for double meaning, minus for passing up 9th-level spell joke, bonus for alliteration.

I’m biased of course.

Also, it’s acclamation (as in acclaim) not acclimation (as in acclimate).

—Ephemera the Expert (and grammar nazi a$$)

Also, Expert gets my vote.

[Aquillion]

Strictly speaking all of the gods could just be experts with a ton of divine ranks.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

I’m a fan of Everyone‘s An Expert, myself.

[CriticalFailure]

the Miracle of splat

[Ephemera]

Apparently the right answer is “class and level geekery XVII: no one really cares what this thread is called any more”

[knag]

My vote, if I have one, is for "Everyone's an Expert". I like the double entendre.

[Peelee]

My vote, if I have one, is for "Everyone's an Expert". I like the double entendre.

Im hardly aware of the single entendre.

[Rogar Demonblud]

One level is referring to the characters. The other is referring to the posters.

[CriticalFailure]

I like Everyone's an Expert.

[Ephemera]

One level is referring to the characters. The other is referring to the posters.

I have to say that it’s clearly a matter of taste what you prefer but I’m mystified by the “I don’t get the reference” responses. I guess for non-native speakers, it may not be clear that it’s also a legit figure of speech, something you say sarcastically when dismissing how everyone has something to say as though they were experts (but aren’t necessarily).

[Riftwolf]

Just spotted a typo in Oonas entry, saying 'mask of cold resistancef'
Also, sure this was discussed at the time, but did anyone have any ideas about the pictographic language in Girards temple? It appears to be a language V and Qarr can read, but either no one else can or no one would grasp the context. According to Vs entry, SSDT establishes it isn't Draconic: are there other languages that could fit?

[Rogar Demonblud]

That's not a language. It's a family tree.

[Peelee]

Just spotted a typo in Oonas entry, saying 'mask of cold resistancef'
Also, sure this was discussed at the time, but did anyone have any ideas about the pictographic language in Girards temple? It appears to be a language V and Qarr can read, but either no one else can or no one would grasp the context. According to Vs entry, SSDT establishes it isn't Draconic: are there other languages that could fit?

V and Qarr knew about Familicde. The family tree explained that Familicide is why everyone was dead. Thus, anyone not familiar with Familicide wouldn't understand why V and Qarr reacted as they did

[Jasdoif]

Also, Expert gets my vote.

Everyone's an Expert gets my (actual) vote as well; as much as I like "Can FINALLY Speak Unto the Masses", I can't really fault anyone for not choosing Truenamer....

[Jaxzan Proditor]

Everyone's an Expert gets my (actual) vote as well; as much as I like "Can FINALLY Speak Unto the Masses", I can't really fault anyone for not choosing Truenamer....

I was tempted by this one (I’d say it’s my second choice if this is a ranked-choice vote), but the expert one made me laugh just a little bit harder.

[Quartz]

Whichever title is chosen, I vote that the new thread start with the new book, even if it means closing the thread early - or slightly late.

[Quartz]

So now the forums are back, how about starting a new thread? And how about we call it 'Opening the last book'?

[Kurald Galain]

Whichever title is chosen, I vote that the new thread start with the new book, even if it means closing the thread early - or slightly late.

New thread.