He was unable to breach the Cloister spell before, and Roy's Dad could scry on Haley through the cloud on account of having "Epic Inside", so I'm pretty sure he was not Epic before. Besides, we only saw him use 7th level spells against the dragon, which would imply he's less than 15th level normally.
Now, he's got 3 casters who according to the fiends have Epic level spells.
Not really. It just seems that some people here have fun making it more confusing than it is and also try to apply rules where they simply do no apply.
He said "effective level". A true level 50 would probably wipe the table with him.
Epic Invisibility (Hurray for ridiculous sums of money to throw at magic items! And / or adventuring mage friend, or something.)
Free Action Teleport (Hurray for ridiculous sums of money to throw at magic items!)
Sneak attack for 90d6 sneak attack. Plus whatever else happens with that nasty epic weapon. (Hurray for ridiculous sums of money to throw at magic items!)
Free Action Teleport home.
Take move action to crack open beer.
Round 2 of Day In The Life Of Level 50 Rogue : TAKING A SIP AND EXCLAIMING HOW REFRESHING IT IS. Ohhhh, the excitement!
V did make a comment that could be taken as leveling. Or then again the comment could have been about getting more exp to use in research. With the splice V either has access to one 11th level slot at the minimum or 8th level of Ultimate magus (burning sorceror spell slots for feats) or the feat that allows metamagic for free 1 or 3 times per day (can't remeber what feat that was)
Quickened Disintegrate is impossible below Epic without some serious cheese. So yeah. Effectively and probably temporarily. But we knew that...
I'm more interested in V's family's abilities, and whether they might have any role to play in this. The kids--probably not. But V's spouse could have something to say about having hir kids tortured.
This assumes the levels stack. The normal ruling would be that they don't, that V is now 4 mages, 3 of about 30th+ level and 1 of 13th or so. V might get the total hp and saves of 100 levels, but she casts as a 30+ level, just as she would cast at 3rd level if she was a wizard3-sorcerer3-cleric3-druid3.
Now the fact V tried Disjuncture, and it worked, suggests they may stack, or that our writer prefers dramatic effects to being correct about D&D rules.
This assumes the levels stack. The normal ruling would be that they don't, that V is now 4 mages, 3 of about 30th+ level and 1 of 13th or so.
I don't think we really know the ballpark numbers for the Epic Souls spliced to V yet... and I'd doubt that in a world where an 11th level spellcaster is extraordinary, all three hit level 30...
...however, each of them probably has at least 21 caster levels that stack with V's own, for a total caster level of probably at least 77... which would make me (at least) quite confident when casting Disjunction at an AMF (77% dispel rate, probably a better shot at that than forcing the Dragon to fail the Quickened Disintegrate's saving throw...).
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This assumes the levels stack. The normal ruling would be that they don't, that V is now 4 mages, 3 of about 30th+ level and 1 of 13th or so. V might get the total hp and saves of 100 levels, but she casts as a 30+ level, just as she would cast at 3rd level if she was a wizard3-sorcerer3-cleric3-druid3.
Now the fact V tried Disjuncture, and it worked, suggests they may stack, or that our writer prefers dramatic effects to being correct about D&D rules.
The fiends implied it would stack when they said that V would "dwarf any mortal arcane spellcaster who has ever lived".
I don't think we really know the ballpark numbers for the Epic Souls spliced to V yet... and I'd doubt that in a world where an 11th level spellcaster is extraordinary, all three hit level 30...
...however, each of them probably has at least 21 caster levels that stack with V's own, for a total caster level of probably at least 77... which would make me (at least) quite confident when casting Disjunction at an AMF (77% dispel rate, probably a better shot at that than forcing the Dragon to fail the Quickened Disintegrate's saving throw...).
The OotScr and Xykon are both epic. They are big-timers, but not insanely so.
These mages are the greatest that have ever lived.
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