Another versus Thread: Who would have guessed. (Covenant vs. Federation edition)

[kamikasei]

Originally Posted by Seraph

I kinda figured that the reason the transporter crew was having so much trouble locking on to them is that they were inexperienced and didnt know how to get rid of the kinetic energy.

I figured it was just that they were a moving target :P

(Which would make sense, except that relative motion between a person on a planet's surface and an orbiting ship is never referenced as a problem elsewhere.)

[Storm Bringer]

The Covenant will get whatever they want the first time they capture a Starfleet vessel... or any vessel, for that matter.

Assuming that purguing the databanks is not a standard action on threat of capture (IRL it would be, but this is star trek), assuming the hard drives are not damaged/corrupted by battle damage, assuming a security encryption is not placed on the computers (like in first contact), assuming the Covenant can operate and understand Feddie techology (turn off the universal translators and thiers no granatee that they'll understand whatever english has evloved into in star trek)..........

assuming they try and capture rather thans simply destory.


I aggree that this it might happen, but it would require a stroke of luck.


plus, your assuming that the slipspace that the Covenant travel though is a demension that the trekkies are unware of. it's quite possible, but equally likey, the trekkies know of it and can sense activity in it (they built several super-sensitive sensor arrays TNG era with a the ability to pick up passing ships at a usful distance for protection agianst insterstallar attack, namly the borg)

[AstralFire]

If Trek was aware of it, they'd use it; slipspace is considerably faster than Warp Drives. Heck, I think even UNSC Shaw-Fujikawa drives are faster than Warp.

[Stormthorn]

Originally Posted by AstralFire

If Trek was aware of it, they'd use it; slipspace is considerably faster than Warp Drives. Heck, I think even UNSC Shaw-Fujikawa drives are faster than Warp.

Exactly.

And if we did assume the Feds know of slipspace then we assume the Covenant also know about the Warp travel and are choosing not to use it for its vulnerabilities.
But even if the feds do know of slipspace they cant use it, or they would be doing so. And they cant catch the covenant ship as it goes by. And, even worse, even at warp speed the Cov ship will arrive before the warning.

Also, i say we leave kinetic energy out of the photon torpedo discussion unless someone wants to whip out an advanced physics text and calculate how much kinetic energy something going several times the speed of light has.
Because if the answer is "a lot" then its valid. If its "infinite" its not, since the first torpedo impact would impart more energy than their is in the universe and propably cause lots of problems for both sides. If the answer is "undefined" then its not valid either.

[leafman]

I know it is a point that hasn't been mentioned since page one and I'm new to the debate but the Fed isn't the only side with anti-matter weaponry. The Convenant fields an anti-matter bomb pretty often. They used a few to take out the Athens and Malta Orbital Defense Stations in the first battle of Earth and almost managed to take out the Cairo but MC removed the bomb and destroyed an assault carrier. It is also speculated that anti-matter charges were used to disable the Pillar of Autumn's MAC cannon.

I think the covvies have this fight in the bag if they use hit and run tactics and capitalize on their speed. Even if destroying Federation planets doesn't hurt the Federation's military power, it would still be a massive blow to their morale.

[Stormthorn]

I think the covvies have this fight in the bag if they use hit and run tactics and capitalize on their speed. Even if destroying Federation planets doesn't hurt the Federation's military power, it would still be a massive blow to their morale.

This isnt generaly how the Covenant operate. Of course, if the Federation act as intelligently as they did in the early shows then the Covenant still have this one in the bag.

[leafman]

Originally Posted by Stormthorn

This isnt generaly how the Covenant operate. Of course, if the Federation act as intelligently as they did in the early shows then the Covenant still have this one in the bag.

True, but we also haven't seen how the Covenant react to superior navy firepower. My thinking is that guerilla warfare isn't a completely foreign concept to them.

Edit: Did I kill this thread? I'm sorry if I did