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Old 03-16-2010, 12:05 AM   Top  -  End  -  #61
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Poor abused Meiling. I could hire her, i promise to not mistreat her like that. As long as she is willing to work for room and board, i cannot afford wages. And if she will also take over maidly duties as well as being a guard.
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This was a long update, but I just wanted to get this floor over with...definitely my least favorite floor thus far on this playthrough.

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Old 03-17-2010, 05:08 AM   Top  -  End  -  #63
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And now for something that's a lot more fun that those last two floors.

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Old 03-18-2010, 07:54 AM   Top  -  End  -  #64
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I always thought that Suwako would be annoyed by Cirno's habit of freezing frogs, but then again so does several parts of fanon. Also, Suwako's losing composure is funny.
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Poor abused Meiling. I could hire her, i promise to not mistreat her like that. As long as she is willing to work for room and board, i cannot afford wages. And if she will also take over maidly duties as well as being a guard.
Isn't room and board basically what she already works for? Heck, with her spending all her time outside she may just work for food...
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Old 03-18-2010, 09:24 AM   Top  -  End  -  #66
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See, it is a better offer than she has. I won't let her take all the blows and make her carry everything either. She is too sexy and cool to deserve all the abuse she gets.
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See, it is a better offer than she has. I won't let her take all the blows and make her carry everything either. She is too sexy and cool to deserve all the abuse she gets.
But Meiling's buttmonkey status is why she is cool in the first place.

The same Buttmonkey status applies to Cirno, one of my favorite characters aside from Reimu and Marissa. I just want to give her a hug after the Suwako smackdown.
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Old 03-19-2010, 04:47 AM   Top  -  End  -  #68
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Thanks for your comments, everyone! They're helpful, as I'm still in the process of playing around with some of my characterizations.

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Apparently Sakuya is being a no nonsense type of person, especially in the proximity of Meiling.

I think that the reason that Sakuya was not in Unidentified Fantastic Object is that her main role is not to resolve incidents unless they are within the concerns of Remi.
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Old 03-19-2010, 08:41 AM   Top  -  End  -  #70
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Geez, sure sucks to be Meiling. I can see why she isn't sleeping with this version of Sakuya. Poor girl can't catch a break it seems.
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"=D"

That was almost sweet.
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Almost sweet? That right there was a bona fide Crowning Moment of Heartwarming on Remi's part.

Also, loved the subtle Double Spoiler reference.

Is there anybody left who hasn't done at least one of these? Because these double ones (The Scarlet sisters, Sakuya/Hong, and Suika's sort of was due to editorial comment) are really entertaining. You have a talent for banter. I'd kinda like to see some combination of Marisa, Patchouli and/or Alice get into an argument over who has the best magic, just because I enjoy "Anything you can do I can do better" arguments
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Old 03-20-2010, 10:38 PM   Top  -  End  -  #73
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Thanks for the comments! One of my favorite portrayals of Meiling was in Chado's Touhou Koumakyou, where Meiling found the strength and willpower to defeat Marisa in their rematch simply because Remilia said she believed she could. I guess I was just thinking of that scene.

Anyway, let's move on!

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Old 03-20-2010, 10:42 PM   Top  -  End  -  #74
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And now for something a bit different!

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In other news, I'll be gone on a trip for the next few days, so don't expect another update until maybe Thursday or so. But we've finally gotten to the juicier parts of the game, so definitely expect me to continue this!
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More witty banter as usual.
Based on the prelude, I expect the group to face off against Rinnosuke sometime soon.

Will we also see "Eirin, Eirin, Tasukete Eirin" related jokes anytime soon when the heroines fight Kaguya or Eirin?
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Old 03-24-2010, 11:53 PM   Top  -  End  -  #76
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All right, I'm back! Let's continue with another one of the most annoying segments of the game, shall we?

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So this thread made me get the game. While I wish I could track down the Japanese version (the translation isn't as good as I'd like), the game is fun.

Rumia, on the other hand? Frustrating. Kept spamming Demarcation the whole time. Got far worse after that, with Alice. Dear god, Alice. And I do mean Alice herself - I can survive the dolls, as nasty as Magical Light got at times. Bit annoyed that Rumia lacks debuffs, but Alice is great.

Just beat Yuugi, actually. Never did any grinding, but I always fully explored every floor. Ok, so I had to grind for Alice, but still. Somehow, I won with the following party:
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Glad to see that my Let's Play has been helpful to you! I'm trying to include a pseudo-walkthrough alongside the the fun narration, since this game doesn't have much documentation. The English wiki is still very much incomplete, while the Japanese wiki is fairly comprehensive but terribly translated if you don't understand moonrunes.

A quick update for today:

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In other news, I think I have an idea for continuing this Let's Play beyond just the end of the normal story and into the Plus Disk post-game content. It'll be with a new premise and a brand new team, but that'll take a while to get to. Ah well...
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And now, allow me to present the climax that concludes the first half of this game's story:

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Note: Apparently, one month has passed since I started this Let's Play. Unfortunately, this means I can no longer change the thread title, so it's stuck with its current rather unflattering message. Oh well...
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And of course, the post-battle exposition that accompanies the climax.

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Nice update(s), though I was expecting a "that was a lie" from Yuka near the end of the video. Oh well.

Also? Floor seven. Just... floor seven. Guide or not, I hate it. So much. At least it's over now, and I can go back to exploring.. a floor that seems to go on forever just by being really huge and full of undead. Wheeee.

You know, I can't wait to get some spirit-based damage that's not from Reimu or Yuugi. Mostly because Reimu checks against defense and mind. Uses attack and magic too, but that's not enough to make up for it, usually. Also, aside from speed (Cirno really does seem to have the strongest speed debuffs), Iku Nagae seems to be the best for debuffing bosses, which is a nice bonus. Though going by that video, Reisen will make for an even better debuffer soon.

...On the other hand, that's what I thought about Rumia.



EDIT: Need help. I have a team of Meiling, Yuugi, Marisa, Patchouli, Remilia and Alice. I also use Minoriko, Aya, Iku, Reimu, Youmu and Sakuya - they just don't get as much screentime or points given to them at the library, with the occasional exception of Minoriko. Anyway, they're in the 29~31ish level range now, and I'm getting consistently slaughtered by Suwako. Iron Rings will one-shot Remilia (whose defense I should probably work on), and boosted cold/nature affinity or not (thanks, library), Croaking Frog still takes off 1300 and a bit out of Meiling's 2200 health. The water move Suwako has will kill basically anyone with the exception of Meiling/Remilia/Yuugi/Patchy. And that's with boosted cold resistance/full health. Let's not even get started on the Mishaguji move. Or when she spams her more dangerous moves (the water move most of all) for several turns in a row.

In short, is there hope of any kind, and if so, how? Or do I need to stop wasting time and start grinding? Should I just come back after a few floors?
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Nice update(s), though I was expecting a "that was a lie" from Yuka near the end of the video. Oh well.

Also? Floor seven. Just... floor seven. Guide or not, I hate it. So much. At least it's over now, and I can go back to exploring.. a floor that seems to go on forever just by being really huge and full of undead. Wheeee.

You know, I can't wait to get some spirit-based damage that's not from Reimu or Yuugi. Mostly because Reimu checks against defense and mind. Uses attack and magic too, but that's not enough to make up for it, usually. Also, aside from speed (Cirno really does seem to have the strongest speed debuffs), Iku Nagae seems to be the best for debuffing bosses, which is a nice bonus. Though going by that video, Reisen will make for an even better debuffer soon.
You get Eirin on Floor 12, who has a strong Spirit spell, but it's extremely expensive. If you're willing to wait till Floor 14, you'll get the best and most dedicated Spirit-elemental attacker in the game. Just wait till you see my video for her! (I just recorded it)

Reimu is used less and less for offense as the game goes. She'll be helpful mainly for her group healing and DEF/MND buffs for boss fights. I'd rate her among the top 5 most useful characters in the game, but don't expect her to do much damage on the later floors.

Reisen is a good debuffer, but debuffing gets less and less useful as the game goes on, I believe. Reisen just can't do much else. And Renko debuffs better than Reisen anyway, but you won't get her until after you've beaten the game. I like Komachi for debuffs, though. Iku and Cirno are really good at debuffing DEF and SPD respectively, but they can't hit other stats. Iku still has an OK offensive buff and is a passable attacker, while Cirno has a decent multi-target paralysis spell.

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EDIT: Need help. I have a team of Meiling, Yuugi, Marisa, Patchouli, Remilia and Alice. I also use Minoriko, Aya, Iku, Reimu, Youmu and Sakuya - they just don't get as much screentime or points given to them at the library, with the occasional exception of Minoriko. Anyway, they're in the 29~31ish level range now, and I'm getting consistently slaughtered by Suwako. Iron Rings will one-shot Remilia (whose defense I should probably work on), and boosted cold/nature affinity or not (thanks, library), Croaking Frog still takes off 1300 and a bit out of Meiling's 2200 health. The water move Suwako has will kill basically anyone with the exception of Meiling/Remilia/Yuugi/Patchy. And that's with boosted cold resistance/full health. Let's not even get started on the Mishaguji move. Or when she spams her more dangerous moves (the water move most of all) for several turns in a row.

In short, is there hope of any kind, and if so, how? Or do I need to stop wasting time and start grinding? Should I just come back after a few floors?
You are a bit in the low range in terms of levels. If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend getting Komachi first. The 4 mini-bosses you must beat to get her are scattered all over Floor 8, but they're pretty easy as long as you don't mind losing a few characters to instant death attacks. Komachi may not have good DEF and MND (actually, those stats are terrible), but she has absolutely absurd HP. She can do a decent job as a backup tank for Meiling, and her Narrow Confines of Avici is a fantastic all-purpose debuff + Paralysis + Poison spell for boss fights. Regardless, I usually finish exploring Floor 8 and get Komachi before fighting Suwako.

Croaking Frog and Mishaguji-sama are Nature elemental. Froggy Braves the Elements is Cold, of course. Moriya's Iron Ring is actually Mystic elemental. Suwako will use mostly single-target attacks in the beginning and multi-target attacks later on in the fight, so if you've got glass cannon characters you should start off with them in the backrow and save your sturdier attackers for later. She actually does have a very general attack pattern, as she cycles through her attacks starting with single-target moves then moving to the multi-target ones, although she can occassionally reuse moves. Minoriko is good for this fight as long as you giver her some Frozen Frogs, as she has naturally high Nature resistance. Pile on her 50% DEF/MND buff whenever you have a free turn, especially if Meiling is healing herself. Reimu should switch in for Hakurei Barrier once in a while if she's not needed for her group heal spell. DEF and MND buffs in this game should not be underestimated.

At this point, you should have mastered switching a slow but powerful hitter in and out. Yuugi is a great example: KO in Three Steps is extremely powerful and also hits Suwako's Fire weakness, but it has incredible delay. To use it effectively, have another character (ideally, your tank) immediately switch her out right after she uses it, then switch her back in with a fresh 75% action bar. This lets you use KO in Three Steps and other such high power high delay attacks quickly. Switching doesn't take much time either, as it only resets the action guage to 75%. Tanks are the best for switching, since they usually don't have much to do on their turns (Meiling is sort of an exception, since she can heal). This technique is most necessary for switching in and out glass cannons (Kaguya, Utsuho, Nitori, Flandre, etc.; Patchy's actually not as good as this due to her very low speed) in between the boss's delay moves. In my videos, you can see me using this strategy with Suika's Throwing Atlas spellcard.

Many bosses in this game have a "rage mode" when they get low on health. It comes in 2 flavors: spamming more powerful multi-target attacks, or charging up for an attack that will simply kill your entire party (like Tenshi). If it's the former, you want to always keep at least one person capable of surviving active, to switch in more attackers and either recover or go for the kill. If necessary, keep someone at full health who could survive the attack in reserve, and switch them in after the attack to ensure you'll have someone alive to switch in a third wave of attackers if you still haven't killed the boss yet.
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...Wow. Thank you, I honestly wasn't expecting that much detail. You're right, I should be sensible and get Komachi first. Forgot about Avici, that should fill up the debuff slot quite nicely. I actually tend to have Yuugi around fairly often without switching her out, but that's mostly because she's something of a tank. Of course, that's less sensible on several levels against Suwako. Thanks for reminding me of that.

Also, is it just me, or is Concentration+Magic Missile spam often better than Master Spark every once in a while? Anyway, I'm familiar with bosses getting more serious as the fight goes on, Yuugi being a particularly PTSD-inducing example. I've noticed that Reimu's basically useless too. Well, except for Hakurei Barrier (excellent spell) and Exorcising Border (would be better if I raised her MAG a bit more). And yes, good point, I should give people a couple Frozen Frogs (I have a P-Ringer for 128 affinity, too). If only for the irony value

Iron Ring deals mystical damage? Interesting. I was sure it was physical, too. If that thing can one-shot Remilia, though, I really need to raise her defense >_>

And yes, Patchy's low speed is a bit tiresome, but she makes up for it by being generally godlike besides that, so it all works out. Anyway, thanks for the help Was hoping I wouldn't have to wait with fighting Suwako until much later. Not for any practical reason as much as because she's my favourite character.

By the by, is there a way to mute this game?
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...Wow. Thank you, I honestly wasn't expecting that much detail. You're right, I should be sensible and get Komachi first. Forgot about Avici, that should fill up the debuff slot quite nicely.
Just take note that Avici doesn't actually lower ATK and MAG. It does hit everything else, though, including SPD. It's just not a big effect, but it's versatile.

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I actually tend to have Yuugi around fairly often without switching her out, but that's mostly because she's something of a tank. Of course, that's less sensible on several levels against Suwako. Thanks for reminding me of that.
Yuugi is a fine physical tank actually. I switch her in and out not because she can't take hits, but to speed up her usage of KO in Three Steps.

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That can work on the lower floors, but I find that as you go higher up Marisa's just too fragile to leave in against most bosses. The usual strategy for her is to buff up with Concentrate once or twice, then switch her in, Spark, and switch back out to recharge SP. Master Spark's damage increases depending on the amount of SP spent; its unique damage formula actually makes it the most powerful attack in the game once you have enough SP to blow on it. Marisa's Master Spark is also much stronger than Yuka's, but Yuka's can hit multiple targets.

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Yes, it's physical Mystic damage, and it's one of her stronger attacks. It might also be a good idea to equip some paralysis resistance gear, since it paralyzes, along with Shadowstitch and Paralysis Cloud.

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No, but you can try to specifically mute the application using your computer's sound options.
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Thanks, I'll do that. And maybe I'm just attached to the Magic Missile strategy since it won most of the battle against Yuugi. Plus, Master Spark at this stage is often outclassed by Silent Selene. Ah well, thanks for the tip. Also, when I said physical damage, I meant physical non-elemental. Bad habit leftover from other RPGs, I guess. Thanks again, and I'll stop pestering you for help now
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Old 03-29-2010, 08:51 PM   Top  -  End  -  #87
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New chapter! The game takes a notable jump in difficulty starting on Floor 13, sort of like the jump between stages 3 and 4 in any Touhou game.

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And some spoileriffic gameplay notes, including the explanation for the floor's puzzle and all the combinations to use:

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Cirno and Suwako's interactions are humorous. Cirno is the smartest and strongest fairy, but considering that she is more childish than stupid, I wouldn't call her an idiot. I wonder if a similar interaction would occur if Kaguya and Mouku were in the same party, albeit more violent in tone.
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So, I found some neat remixes. Thought I'd share them here. One for Kanako, one for Suika's battle theme, one for Remilia. Enjoy

Caution: Suika's will probably be a rather surprising take on the original. Do not expect anything close to the IaMP version.
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So, I found some neat remixes...
Every touhou remix is a neat remix

The best way to find them is just youtube the character name, I'm sure every theme has been remixed at least twenty times, and that's just the unpopular ones.
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