League of Legends LI: A Song of Loss and Ire - A Game of Throws

[Qwertystop]

There's only one thing first-tier runes are good for: Getting them early and combining them into third-tier ones. They average out cheaper making second-tier, and not much pricier than average if you're making third-tier, and the thing is, the level-based limiter is only on what you can buy, not what you can use if you have it.

Even an assortment of suboptimal stats are better than nothing at level 8, and there's a good chance some of them will be things to stick with even after you unlock the ability to buy what you want.

[toasty]

Its okay Aether, they buffed Spirit Visage.

[WyvernLord]

I just had someone from the enemy team say I carried as thresh support. I'll take this as a sign that I should continue maining support.

The game was 52 minutes. Late game ward battles are fun if you win them. Oh to bad you destroyed my ward. But I now know where your team is. And you might know where I am. I messed some stuff up mid game, but I did some fun stuff late. Managed to buy a GA because I had over 100CS. Defending as everyone else pushes gives me a chance to get gold.


I am getting addicted to playing support I have like zero interest in any other role. I really like my ADC's saying I'm good constantly too.

Sorry I rambled I just finished and I need sleep.

[Togath]

I just had someone from the enemy team say I carried as thresh support. I'll take this as a sign that I should continue maining support.

The game was 52 minutes. Late game ward battles are fun if you win them. Oh to bad you destroyed my ward. But I now know where your team is. And you might know where I am. I messed some stuff up mid game, but I did some fun stuff late. Managed to buy a GA because I had over 100CS. Defending as everyone else pushes gives me a chance to get gold.


I am getting addicted to playing support I have like zero interest in any other role. I really like my ADC's saying I'm good constantly too.

Sorry I rambled I just finished and I need sleep.

I've grown fond of support as well though, oddly, I rarely get to play it nowadays. Admittedly, I also only have 2-3 supports though(Alistar, Fiddle, and Janna)

[WyvernLord]

I've grown fond of support as well though, oddly, I rarely get to play it nowadays. Admittedly, I also only have 2-3 supports though(Alistar, Fiddle, and Janna)

I'm missing Leona, Lulu, Nami, and Zyra though.
Favorite supports are Thresh then Janna. I just can't play thresh in ranked. Perma-banned along with Yi still.

I really really like playing support. What are the recommended marks for a support? Right now I got MPen marks, Armor seals, scaling MR glyphs, and GP/10 Quints. I want a general page because I won't have enough for some specific ones for a long time.

[Togath]

ad marks are the usual ones, since everyone gets at least a little out of them(and some, like thresh, get as lot)

[tyckspoon]

I really really like playing support. What are the recommended marks for a support? Right now I got MPen marks, Armor seals, scaling MR glyphs, and GP/10 Quints. I want a general page because I won't have enough for some specific ones for a long time.

What you've got works ok, although it lends itself to spell-harassing supports more, which would be.. Sona and I can't think of anybody else who would be using a spell instead of autos often enough to make it matter. Most other supports would probably want AD or ArmPen marks instead, since those would make their auto harass more potent. Especially at the first few levels of the game where a support's autoattack matters. Maybe hybrid penetration marks.. but AD are cheaper and more generically useful.

[WyvernLord]

ad marks are the usual ones, since everyone gets at least a little out of them(and some, like thresh, get as lot)

Yeah I have the base two pages right now so my support page is kind of doubling as a Mage page.

I need more IP.

[toasty]

I need more IP.

I remember when I said this. Now I need more things to spend IP on.

[Grytorm]

I think I suck at champions focused on there auto attacks. I went 5/1 in lane as Aatrox getting two double kills off of jungle ganks as well as an early tower and then proceeded to feed hard. We ended up losing. There is a chance though that we lost because the enemy Kassadin got pretty big and I was to aggressive in team fights. Mostly I think that I'm just fairly weak in teamfights.

Also Malphite top is kind of fun. Played a mirror match, despite feeding hard to jungle ganks I did fairly well, I was able to bully the enemy Malphite fairly easily but the enemy jungler ended up becoming a monster and we lost.

[toasty]

You "suck at teamfighting" likely because A) its actually extremely difficult to make good decisions in a high-stress enviroment (teamfights) B) Melee heroes suck in teamfights. Like, really, they do. There is a reason why all the popular tanks have extremely strong gap closers. Aatrox gets kited to hell and back by a hero like Kassadin.

In other news: I am now Silver II. Besides basically having to play each promotion twice, I am very happy with my progress. To bad school starts in a few days, otherwise I'd have a shot at getting gold before the summer starts.

[Ashen Lilies]

This is a pretty trolly but hilarious seeming Viktor build that I just tested against bots, and I'd like to try it top lane sometime with Mumblers to see if it's legit.

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The Yellow Augment is the one that gives Health, HP5 and moderate AP, and gives you a 30% MS boost for 3 seconds every time you use Q.

Viktor in general is really awesome (with the proper bursty AP build as well) and I think I might upgrade him to being my next pickup when I have the IP.

[endoperez]

1.If it doesn't make any sense, how do you respond to it so well?

2.Wukong and Alistar are native Runeterrans and as such are subject to much of the lore associated with the place as a whole. Nasus and Renekton are not. Its really not comparable.

3.Maybe I've watched too much SG1, maybe you've watched too little, but that series was kinda well known and was largely centered around the egyptian gods.

1. I pointed out that the premises behind your logic seemed nonsensical.

2. I agree with this. It's not what you claimed and what I argued against, though. You claimed Nasus and Renekton and their possible ilk would be boring because they're based on Egyptian mythology. I don't think there will be more of their ilk because Riot seems to have realized that the "summoned from another dimension" story isn't a good one, but if there were, I hope they'd keep to the theme of Egyptian deities.

3. I'd say you have indeed watched too much SG1. I can't find that many games released after Stargate ended that feature Egyptian gods. League of Legends, Heroes of Newerth (one of the champions is Amun-Ra) and... that's it? That really seems to be it. Huh.

[Ashen Lilies]

Well, there's SMITE, which has Egyptian gods in it... And Greek gods, and Norse gods, and Chinese gods, and Hindu gods, and probably a bunch of other types of gods as well, so maybe it doesn't count so much for the purposes of this discussion.

[Legoshrimp]

This is a pretty trolly but hilarious seeming Viktor build that I just tested against bots, and I'd like to try it top lane sometime with Mumblers to see if it's legit.

Spoiler

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The Yellow Augment is the one that gives Health, HP5 and moderate AP, and gives you a 30% MS boost for 3 seconds every time you use Q.

Viktor in general is really awesome (with the proper bursty AP build as well) and I think I might upgrade him to being my next pickup when I have the IP.

Seems like the build would work, but why IBG over zhonias, and spirit visage over grail, abyssal, or B-veil?

[Togath]

Teemo mechanics question; which abilities, if any, activate Liandry's?
And in s similar vein, which ones does spell vamp work on?

[Ashen Lilies]

Seems like the build would work, but why IBG over zhonias, and spirit visage over grail, abyssal, or B-veil?

More tankiness, and you can cap CDR with blue pot to have Q on a 3 second cooldown for the permahaste. My goal was less about dealing upfront damage (though being Viktor, you have quite a bit of that anyway even without much AP) and about controlling fights with your constant slows and CC from gravity field; grinding people down with spell spam, ult DoT and Liandry's; and being really hard to kill due to your tanky stats, movement speed and spammable shield.

That's the bull**** reason, anyway. The real reason is because I like running really fast after people while perma-slowing them with Rylai's and IBG procs, because it's hilarious.

@Togath: Q and R. Mushrooms in particular become ridiculously deadly if you have Liandry's and a bunch of AP, Q cares about the Liandry's proc less but is just a rather decently scaling nuke in general and gives Teemo some good burst.

[Delusion]

Teemo mechanics question; which abilities, if any, activate Liandry's?
And in s similar vein, which ones does spell vamp work on?

First: Only Q and R.

Second I have no idea actually. Though I believe its only Q and R again.

[Legoshrimp]

More tankiness, and you cap CDR with blue pot to have Q on a 3 second cooldown for the permahaste. My goal was less about dealing upfront damage (though being Viktor, you have quite a bit of that anyway even without much AP) and about controlling fights with your constant slows and CC from gravity field; grinding people down with spell spam, ult DoT and Liandry's; and never dying due to your tanky stats, movement speed and spammable shield.

That's the bull**** reason, anyway. The real reason is because I like running really fast after people while perma-slowing them with Rylai's and IBG procs, because it's hilarious.

Alright I guess if you really want to get CDR capped that works, but if you are building IBG you probably should get something other then rylais.

[Ashen Lilies]

Aye. Probably Abyssal, Hourglass or Void Staff, instead of Rylai's, depending on the situation.

[mrcarter11]

@Kris
I get your reasoning for the max CDR but I gotta agree that you can do better for both armor and MR items. I'd go with Abyssal and Hourglass personally, but it's a fun top lane idea regardless. You can kite around most top laners and just keep constant q harass til they have to back.

[Math_Mage]

Teemo mechanics question; which abilities, if any, activate Liandry's?
And in s similar vein, which ones does spell vamp work on?

Q and R activate Liandry's and spellvamp. Toxic Shot does not.

[TechnOkami]

Math.... what are we doing up so late? @_@

[Math_Mage]

Math.... what are we doing up so late? @_@

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Winthur]

I really really like playing support. What are the recommended marks for a support? Right now I got MPen marks, Armor seals, scaling MR glyphs, and GP/10 Quints. I want a general page because I won't have enough for some specific ones for a long time.

Tanky: Armor (lets you take a bit more punishment and is a cheap option; it's suitable on Leona, for instance; armor reds also let you run gold/10 yellows, but benefits of having that extra gold generation are dubious since it sacrifices a lot of laning power)
Damagey: Attack Damage (to add a bit of damage to your harassing or combos; it's perfect on Thresh (his magic damage from his E passive scales with AD), does well on Blitzcrank (your Power Fist deals ADx2) or even Leona, and is decent on ranged supports). Alternately, Hybrid Pen (who are the #1 choice for supports that have poke, e.g. Sona and Lulu, who use both their magic skills and their autoattacks). However Hybrid Pen is expensive, so Magic Pen is the next best choice for those.

If you want a really general page you'd run on all supports you can go AD/Armor/Magic Resist/Gold10 which pretty much all supports will find suitable. You can even avoid running Gold/10 and replace the quints with AD quints and you save on one more runepage (because 15 ad 13 armor and magic resistance is the most generic AD rune page ever) - and that bonus AD can really be helpful in killing people on lane. Then again you have to figure out if your playstyle calls for gold generation runes or if it doesn't. Also running AD marks on ranged supports kind of forces you to learn to sneak autoattacks on enemies during laning phase - supports may not possess the most powerful autos but if you hit them a few times they pile up and add to the poke and might even decide between a kill and a narrow escape for the enemy.

[TechnOkami]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Lies and slander, you know damn well what I mean. =.=

[Ashen Lilies]

Lies and slander, you know damn well what I mean. =.=

Iiiiii'm... just going to go ahead and interpret that in a dirty way.

Math x Techno, OTP.

[Math_Mage]

Iiiiii'm... just going to go ahead and interpret that in a dirty way.

Math x Techno, OTP.

vampire pumpkin must never know

Okay I must really be tired to be stringing this along.

[Qwertystop]

Okay, Inversion, you know how I said I could probably make the next practice? My hard drive is shot so never mind that .

[Winthur]

vampire pumpkin must never know

Okay I must really be tired to be stringing this along.

Okami and MathMage, sitting in a tree
Q-U-E-U-I-N-G...