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2012-10-25, 09:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'll be quite honest, I wouldn't have remembered them if it wasn't for the link. And heck, with the Flying Thundergod Technique being the only advanced jutsu they know, they're hardly better than a Chunin...
What exactly were the Sound 4 tired from? They briefly trolled Sauce Boss, then dispatched the Gimp Squad without seeming to give much of a ****, before having to deal with Naruto's squad.
It's funny how that time has long since past....
Actually, Orochimaru only seemed to use them in the Hokage Fight for that Incredibly Rigged Barrier. And considering how most of the Anbu seemed to get trolled in the battle between the leaf and sand + sound, they don't seem too special, either.
If Kiba pulled off the Double Headed Wolf Cerberus Missile Attack in that part of the chunin exams, Naruto would have gotten his ass -raped-. Plus, Sakon and Ukon powered up on their own choice, not because they needed to against Kiba and Akamaru. The Wolves didn't push the Twins to their limit at all. It was really only a pair of tricks that even kept Kiba in the running after they ran into the Brick Wall No Jutsu.
He should have been. Had Kidomaru kept up his regular attack, and not decided to toy with him while using the -one- attack that links back to him, and thus gives Neji a chance to win, Kidomaru would have won. But, he was stupid, and turned a sure win into a loss. That was his own damn fault for being retard.
I don't know why, but your point gets kinda lost... or at least I stoped understanding what this paragraph means...
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2012-10-26, 02:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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I always thought of the sound as a handful of moderate ninja Orochimaru had given curse seals to in order to make them decent pawns. Not really powerful players on the level of Kakashi or Zabuza.
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2012-10-26, 04:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Same here. I mean seriously guys, the only shinobi under Orochimaru's command that were actually powerful were Suigetsu, Juugo, Kimimaro and Sasuke. And two out of those were locked up for being uncontrollable test subjects, one didn't listen to orders and one was dying of tuberculosis or something. Sasuke, Kimimaro and Anko were the only ones given special cursed seals because they were stronger than all the other test subjects. All the others needed cursed seals to be of any real worth in combat.
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2012-10-26, 05:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-26, 07:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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They were tired from going curse seal level 2 apparently. They had stopped and rested for awhile, which is why shika and crew were able to catch up.
You mean the nameless guys are surviving just as well as the main caste? I dont read the manga.
True, they were there for the barrier, but im pretty sure they were constantly referred to as "his elite bodyguards" or some such thing. Point is, they arent some sort of group of genin/chunin level ninja. At least they shouldnt be.
Thats actually part of my point. In the couple months in between kiba went from boring weaksauce genin who got his ass stomped by a naruto who might as well have been fighting with an arm tied behind his back, to kickass giant 2 headed wolf monster able to deal large damage to the bad guys ultimate barrier attack and force him to pull out all the stops to beat him. It shouldnt have happened.
Yeah, because being able to channel chakra through a thread that already has chakra channeled through it so he can stop a persons heart from 100 feet away was something totally expected and should have been anticipated. Come on. It was an ass pull.
My point was, kimmimaru was the only one who fought like an actual freaking elite. He was dying on his feet before the fight even started and he still stomped naruto, lee, and had garra on the ropes, and in fact would have won if not for that damn illness finally killing him. The sound 4 however, went down like punks. They got pushed to the limits or beaten by a single genin each.
At the start of the sand sound war, the hokages guards basically cut the "sand" guards in half. However, as the halves are flying apart, you see these black blurs shoot out of them and turn into the sound 4. They were there the whole time, in disguise as only two guards. At least, thats the way I remember it, my youtube-fu is weak and I cant find a clip of it happening."Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
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2012-10-26, 07:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-26, 08:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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A Sannin would like to speak with you since said Sannin almost lost to Kabuto.
But if you follow that logic then you need to remove Suigetsu from your list. He has no big moves and only carries a big sword. His whole stick is that you can't defeat him physically you have to use elemental moves to defeat him and he will just outbrawl you with his big sword. How is that different than Kabuto who can avoid pretty much every attack (except a rasengan due to arrogance) and one hit with a chakra scapel and you are pretty much a gonner.Stupendous Man drawn by Linklele
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2012-10-26, 08:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-26, 11:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Said Sannin also didn't know anything about Kabuto's fighting style, while he knew everything of hers. She was also the weakest of the Sannin, had a fighting style that Kabuto's is most effective against, and did not utilize any of her best jutsu. If she had known about his fighting style beforehand, then Kabuto would never have been in a winning position at any point during that fight. Furthermore, in the end the fact is that he straight-up lost.
Suigetsu on the other hand would be tough to defeat even if you knew his strengths and weaknesses. He's on par with some of the Seven Swordsmen of Mist and far dodgier than Kabuto, who most definitely cannot "avoid pretty much every attack". Fact is that other than Tsunade, Kabuto never was up against any shinobi of meaningful power prior to infusing himself with Orochimaru's DNA, and he had all the advantages he could have in that fight. Suigetsu on the other hand was involved in fights with much higher-leveled opponents fairly regularly, and managed to stay standing. Granted, most of those fights involved other strong shinobi as well, but considering the enemy side was very powerful at those times, that matters little.
Though, if you want to compare the two, the best way to do it would be to put both of them in each other's shoes and see how they'd do.Homebrewer's Signature | Avatar by Strawberries
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2012-10-26, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-26, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2012-10-26, 12:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-26, 12:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-26, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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If I recall Orochimaru said he wasn't sure if Kabuto could defeat Kakashi (my memory may be playing tricks on me here), and that sounds about right. I'd call that pretty powerful, especially when combined with all Kabuto's additional knowledge and skills.
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2012-10-26, 07:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wasn't it pointed out in the Chunin exams that crop that made it through the forest was on the whole considered exceptionally talented. And the final twist of the exams was that you don't rank up simply by being a badass. I dare say surviving the forest part of the test was probably the de facto competency exam. So it was pretty well established that the rookies were all capable of already fighting at a high level.
Though thinking that far back... the heck ever happened to the Sound?
I seem to remember it having a canonical country/territory it represented and the hide outs we saw were not exactly well populated so where Orochimaru got those "jonin" mooks from the invasion. Are we supposed to believe the whole of his forces were wiped out in that or something.
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2012-10-26, 08:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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The hidden villages are not really hidden but more "forbidden" you are simply not allowed to walk into Konoha unless Konoha allows you to walk in. Think of it as the Forbidden City of China.
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2012-10-27, 08:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, but that's understandable. Remember that the hidden ninja villages are essentially military strongholds. Ninjas are the military forces of their nation, pure and simple. Thus, it makes sense that such areas would be "forbidden" as enemy ninjas could easily be disguised as innocent civilians and the last thing you need is enemy ninjas infiltrating your ONLY military base and stealing classified secrets.
Anyway...as for the sound, I was always under the impression that Kishi just stopped caring about the rest of the sound and only cared about Oro and Kabuto after the rest of the village served it's plot purpose. I assumed we'd never know what happened to the sound, just like we will never know what happened to the hidden rain after Konan was killed because Kishi simply stopped caring about it.
On another topic...is it just me, or do you all think that Obito will, before his death, be redeemed and seal Madara as his last action in the world of the living? I mean, as far as I know Naruto and Bee don't know any powerful sealing techniques and the only way Madara can be defeated is by being sealed at this point....Last edited by Giegue; 2012-10-27 at 08:38 AM.
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2012-10-27, 08:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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I see your totally not hidde village or totally hidden not village and raise you a ninja in an oragne tracksuit, ninjas with orange fluffy clouds on their robes, ninja in bright blue dress and ninja's in stark white jackets. I guess Naruto's Ninja's are different (totally not a trope variant though)
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2012-10-27, 10:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yea, by now I'm pretty sure that "Hidden Village" is just a poetic name for "Ninja stronghold city", or perhaps a relic from when back when all these villages were actually hidden during maybe the First Ninja War...
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2012-10-27, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-28, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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The thing here is that we all expect Ninjas now to look like the dudes in Blac Pajamas with Masks on, climbing in your Windows and on your Roofs,hiding in the Shadows. While having such a reputation kinda kills the undercover aspect of it, the Orange Jumpsuit as civilian wear isn't necesarally all that imposing for someone trying to blend in by seeming like one of the public. And when it's time to be a real Ninja-Ninja, the color and style of the clothing doesn't matter, because even being noticed means you failed at being a Ninja.
Plus, Blatant DBZ Homage. Orange Suit? Yellow Spiky Hair? Super Forms with Energy Auras? 2 Handed Spherical Blasts of Doom? Hell, the Monkey Jinjuriki is called Son Goku; you can't play that off.
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2012-10-28, 03:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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... I've discussed it to hell and back before, but personal choice of clothing is absolutely irrelevant when every single ninja is taught a jutsu to transform into anything and everything. In their equivalent of elementary school.
Naruto himself has turned to, among other things, a sexy young lady, a piece of fence, a giant fox and a bunch of rocks. Two of his most successful feints included turning into a shuriken."It's the fate of all things under the sky,
to grow old and wither and die."
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2012-10-28, 03:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, and Naruto is hardly the worst culprit when it comes to cloths not fit for stealth. I mean, look at Madara. Nothing says "stealthy" like flashy red bad guy armor of doom. I mean, even D&D tells you that it's a ***** to sneak in armor, and I remember reading somewhere that Madara's armor is in fact metal. You try sneaking in full, metal, samurai-style armor and NOT being heard and thus getting noticed. Madara sneaking would be the D&D equivalent of trying to use the hide and move silently skills in full plate. Yeah.
Very few ninja in Naruto are actually stealthy and very few need to be. With all their other techs their more akin to Gishes then stealth characters in D&D terms. Jutsu basically are spells, except instead of using mana or some other traditional magic energy they use chakra. Naruto's ninjas are just wizards skilled in martial arts that have an unusual source for their magic. In fact, I believe Kishi was once quoted as saying he had interest in doing a manga about wizards, but the idea fell through and he took a lot of what he wanted to do with that and injected it into Naruto. I have no idea how accurate this is, but I did hear it somewhere...Last edited by Giegue; 2012-10-28 at 03:23 PM.
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2012-10-28, 03:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's actually easy to explain - Goku is the Japanese version of 孫悟空 (Sun Wukong), the central character of 'Journey to the West' - a 16th century novel - who is a monkey.
also - Orange suits are inspired by shaloin monks - they are known from their fighting prowess and wear orange training uniforms.Last edited by Cen; 2012-10-28 at 03:49 PM.
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2012-10-28, 03:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-28, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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See also: major comparisons between Oozaru and the Four-Tails.
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2012-10-28, 05:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Four Tailed Beast is even called Sun Wukong! And his host is Muton Roshii, if I recall.
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2012-10-28, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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.... I must use this argument the next time someone disses the Orange Jumpsuit, because you're dead freaking right. I -must- remember this! You can wear whatever the hell you want whe you can transform into whatever the hell you want. I -must- remember this!
Madara's probably got -mad- money to be able to make that armor as wearable as possible, and his Hide and Move Silently Checks are probably through the roof. The Sharingan alone is probably like an Item Familiar or something.
... I shouldn't have decided to edit out speaking about Sun Wukong in my post...
As for him, the 3rd Hokage is a blatant reference to him. Monkey King Enma and Adamantine Yoi, anyone? Naruto, however, is blatantly a Goku expi:
Both made fatherless by a powerful villain (Bardock vs Frieza, Yondaime vs Tobito)
Both big eaters who wear orange and have yellow hair (cut me some slack about his normal state, Super Saiyan counts)
Both use powerful spherical energy attacks gathered in two hands (tell me Rasengan doesn't remind you of the Kamehameha... hell, watch the first time Naruto lands it; the way he knocks Kabuto away is -totally- Kamehameha esque).
Both started off as slightly out-of-sorts-with-the-public loners before going on, after gaining martial arts techs and training, to become the savoirs of their respective worlds (slight stretch, but it fits)
And both have powerful new forms that come with epic energy auras.
Yup.
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Now ya'll 're just being repeditive.
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2012-10-28, 07:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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^ You forgot one. Early in their stories they both would transform into very powerful and mostly uncontrollable beasts, then went through a period where they supressed the beast, and later gained mastery of the beast form, attaining their ultimate power*.
*Goku became a Super Saiyan Oozaru and with Pan's help gained control over the Oozaru to become a SS4 in Dragonball GT
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