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2011-12-08, 10:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Binder Tips (3.5)
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I have recently made a binder character for a new game my brother is running. The binder in question likes to bind to karsus, so he can use wands and scrolls and staves, ect. Now then, it would be great if anyone has any tips or knows of any versatile magic items that are 25k gp or less so he can be sort of the party's "factorum" in a sence, prepared for most situations.
Thanks in advance for any help!!:
Kymme123Last edited by Kymme; 2011-12-08 at 10:14 PM.
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Re: Binder Tips (3.5)
I would suggest reading through the Binder's Handbook.
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Re: Binder Tips (3.5)
Improved Binding is your friend. I, personally, loved going Binder 10/KotSS 5 with Zceryll, 'cause I really like Zceryll. You should, too. Zceryll is your friend.
Also, you might want to abandon Binder for advancing binder PrCs as fast as possible, as Soul Binding is the only thing that matters, and it gets advanced(Including new perks) by the classes. In fact, if you're focusing on Zceryll, which is far from the only way to do it, you can ditch Binder after 10, as you can get the better summons by your level, not binder level.
I've haven't played many binders, but they really are incredibly fun, especially since they can do so much with each ability. Hope this helps.
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Agreed, but you must remember two things. One: You're already immune to a lot through Zceryll, and you can go something like Nar Demonbinder 1/Anima Mage, or something like that, or Ur-Priest. Admittedly, Binder 19, or Binder 10/KotSS 5/Binder +5 is much lower power level, suitable for weaker groups.
Still, anything you do with binder, so long as you follow the Golden Rule of CharOp, "Thou shall not lose caster levels," you should be fine with almost anything.
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Re: Binder Tips (3.5)
Unless you go Binder 20, or Binder X/full binding PrC X, you only need to nab 15 levels of Binding and the Improved Binding feat - that'll get you 3x 8th level Vestiges, the best you can do without 20 levels of Binding. That gives you 5 levels to play with in other areas.
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2011-12-09, 08:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Binder Tips (3.5)
Thanks for the tips, guys, but i really only need tips on possible magic items, preferably staves that are under 25k, to go with Karsus' abilities.
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and the meteoroid is a stone that's devoid of the fire that propelled it to thee.
And the meteorite's just what causes the light, and the meteor's how it's perceived,
and the meteoroid's a bone thrown from the void that lies quiet in offering to thee.~
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Totally off topic... but while several other forumites and I have vicious public arguments about whether the plural is "factota" or "factotums", I think we can all agree that "factorum" is not the way you spell the singular.... unless you're reffering to something I don't know?
In any case, my vote's for a Handy Haversack (2000 gp), filled with two scrolls of every single 1st lvl spell in the game (2*465*25 = 23,500... so you'll have to knock 500 gp off that on some sort of bulk discount, which I'm pretty sure you qualify for at this point).Last edited by sonofzeal; 2011-12-09 at 09:05 AM.
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Re: Binder Tips (3.5)
True. But there is a minor caveat: The Improved Binder feat only effects what vestige you can bind, and not the effective level that you "cast" your vestiges at and their Save DC's. This is very important for Zceryll, whose effective Sorcerer level for Summon Alien is = Binder level (or Binder + Binder progressing PrC levels), as well as any other vestige which is tied to your Binder level.
I would also say that in addition to the very potent Soul Guardian abilities, one should never overlook the Binder's Pact Augmentation ability (floating bonus), which can give you up to a +10 Insight bonus to Initiative, which is a pretty big deal. And Binder's tend to be very Feat hungry, so I like to avoid spending them on Improved Binder or PrC pre-reqs if it can be reasonably avoided. So I'm generally a proponent of Binder 20 (though there are many exceptions).
For Karsus optimization, remember that your Greater Dispel Magic ability also works on your enemy's magic items. So even if you're not fighting a buffed caster, it's generally a good idea to cast Greater Dispel Magic on anyone who seems to be well equipped. I would also suggest that you find a weapon with a good Save or suck effect, such as the Life-Drinker (you'll be immune to it's negative effects at 13th level) or a Paralyzing weapon (+2 bonus, Book of Exalted Deeds).Last edited by Person_Man; 2011-12-09 at 10:05 AM.
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Re: Binder Tips (3.5)
I really hate that "golden rule." There are plenty of reasons to lose caster levels, and it sure as heck doesn't cripple you for all time, reducing you to a broken shell of a caster that can barely light a candle. My golden rule is "don't lose 9ths," which gives more than enough play for a fun concept that only certain PrCs can pull off.
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Don't forget that Karsus specifically only allows you to use spell-trigger magic items, not spell-completion items like scrolls.
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Re: Binder Tips (3.5)
"Thou Shalt Not Lose Caster Levels" is a rule of optimization, not a rule of fun. If you're aiming for maximum fun, sometimes it can make a lot of sense to lose caster levels. Say, for instance, if you're overshadowing other party members, and want to cut back on your power to get more in line with them. Or just if the character concept you want to play is a better match for the build with lost casting.
And even if I were going straight Binder, I think I'd probably still take Improved Binding. It'll become a dead feat eventually, but level 17 is a long way away. For comparison, suppose there were a feat for wizards that let you use your highest-level spell slots for spells one level higher: Wizards would be all over that. Well, that's basically what Improved Binding is.
Oh, and with Binder, even if you have a favorite vestige, remember that you can change every day. This can be very useful if you have advance warning of what you're going to face, or if you discover a gap in your party's composition. A binder is in some ways even more flexible than a wizard, for that.Time travels in divers paces with divers persons.
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Re: Binder Tips (3.5)
Don't discount Zceryll's usefulness compared to Karsus. With the right summons you can effectively cast any cleric or wizard spell at will up to 12th level caster. SM VI gives you an evil cleric CL 5, and SM IX gives you either a cleric or wizard 12.
I've got a couple of links on the last page of the binder handbook that can be very useful for keeping your binder more organized.
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Mmm Hmm.
Does anyone know of any cheap, versetile staves or other magic items?
I will settle for a handy haversack full of wands, though, if no such item exists.~The meteorite is the source of the light, and the meteor's just what we see,
and the meteoroid is a stone that's devoid of the fire that propelled it to thee.
And the meteorite's just what causes the light, and the meteor's how it's perceived,
and the meteoroid's a bone thrown from the void that lies quiet in offering to thee.~
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Re: Binder Tips (3.5)
Guys, please.
While i appreiciate your input, all i need is equipment. My binder is 10th level, and i have already chosen a lot of his gear. All i need is some sort of versatile magic item to spend the rest of my gold on.
So, does anyone have any equipment suggestions?
P.S. You know it's bad when the thri-kreen is the voice of reason~The meteorite is the source of the light, and the meteor's just what we see,
and the meteoroid is a stone that's devoid of the fire that propelled it to thee.
And the meteorite's just what causes the light, and the meteor's how it's perceived,
and the meteoroid's a bone thrown from the void that lies quiet in offering to thee.~
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Yes, i know about karsites. I think their cool. BUT NOT THE POINT.
The point is that i need items, hopefully items more interesting than a haversack full of wands.~The meteorite is the source of the light, and the meteor's just what we see,
and the meteoroid is a stone that's devoid of the fire that propelled it to thee.
And the meteorite's just what causes the light, and the meteor's how it's perceived,
and the meteoroid's a bone thrown from the void that lies quiet in offering to thee.~
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