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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
I'd like to point at Byakuya Kuchiki. Who was a real jerk in the Soul Society arc, yet he was a respected captain and a noble. He was willing to execute his sister personally if I remember correctly.Sir Dan Avatar by Mrgone!
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
*breaths deep* Okay, here we go.
The deal with Byakuya was that his sister actually broke one of the fundamental laws of Soul Society. He wasn't the guy who actually broke the rules. In his mind, it was the law, and the law should win.
In Akio's case, he's pretty much acting all headstrong even though he's clearly a criminal.
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2011-01-27, 02:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
Which he only became in order to confront one of the longest standing hollows of the mortal world. In his mind it was a case of making an omelet. The eggs in this case were the shinigami guarding the gate and the senkaimon law.
Edit: He's also a wee bit nuts, deep down.Last edited by riccaru; 2011-01-27 at 02:22 AM.
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2011-01-27, 05:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
I cannot find [Haunt Shift] explanation in book. I think [Haunt] word is like [Possession] meaning maybe? So it does not seem correct to me (>< ).
But [Intelligent Item] is same area as [Magic Item] and [Artifact]. I don't know what is different between [Intelligent Item] and [Artifact], but in English I think 「付喪神」 is said "Artifact Spirit." So maybe it is not so different is my thought.
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To move is only important if she is human or youkai-scarf form. I think [Shapechange] power can allow such a thing.
It is ok. I am happy to be able to play a character again thanks to Shades of Gray and you.Kasanip's Sketchbook 2 Thread
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2011-01-27, 07:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
I'm not sure what book it's in, but the end result is an item or location having a spirit.
But [Intelligent Item] is same area as [Magic Item] and [Artifact]. I don't know what is different between [Intelligent Item] and [Artifact], but in English I think 「付喪神」 is said "Artifact Spirit." So maybe it is not so different is my thought.
In everyday usage an artifact is an item from an earlier point in history. Sometimes it's used to mean "something that remains from before" - for instance, odd grammar which appears after translating something into another language would be called a "translation artifact", while TVTropes would say that Dragonball has an Artifact Title since it keeps the name even after the Dragon Balls stop being the focus of the story.
Erima when she is a scarf, she cannot move. She is a scarf. So that is not a problem I think.
To move is only important if she is human or youkai-scarf form. I think [Shapechange] power can allow such a thing.
Plus, intelligence is more of an "add-on" in D&D, which generally assumes that it was created artificially rather than forming on its own. A scarf of shapechange would be a magic item used to change the wearer's shape before it had intelligence added, and could still be used for this purpose. I have done some homebrew related to this though...
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2011-01-27, 07:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
Byakuya's case was pretty complex. First of all, he broke tradition by marrying a commoner; because of his desire to keep his promise to his wife, he later adopted a commoner, without any special merits of her own, to his family. Later on, when said adopted commoner displayed skills fitting for an Officer, he is implied to have bribed or otherwise coerced his fellow Captains to not promote her.
Remember what Byakuya said about nobles showing an example to all of Seireitei: if they won't obey their own rules, how are they supposed to expect anyone else does either? He had already been stretching tradition and moving in the grey areas of law for who knows how long to keep Rukia safe. So when order for Rukia's execution came, he was faced with a major Catch-22. Either he'd try to save her (again), causing more disgrace to her and his whole family and potentially becoming a fugitive himself, or he'd do nothing and have to watch his adopted sister die.
From Byakuya's point, Ichigo was making things worse; every time he opposes Seireitei in attempt to save Rukia, he's further soiling her honor, especially since she'd accepted her sentence. Ichigo was effectively making Rukia more of a criminal through his own actions, so I can kind of see why Byakuya was so pissed at him (nevermind that at that point of the story, for all Byakuya knew Ichigo was both the initial cause for Rukia's sentence as well as a dangerous terrorist who had just demolished half of a Division.)
Both in-story and out of it, it was one of those wonderfully dissonant "Fight for life or fight for pride" situations. Ichigo was (obviously) fighting for her life, while Byakuya was fighting for her pride. Both had Rukia's best interests in mind, they just kinda disagreed on what those were.
Don't worry, Yui will make sure to point out everything wrong with this plan.Last edited by Frozen_Feet; 2011-01-27 at 07:34 AM.
"It's the fate of all things under the sky,
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2011-01-27, 07:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
A haunt is actually 'a place regularly frequented'. I have no idea what a Haunt Shift is, however.
But [Intelligent Item] is same area as [Magic Item] and [Artifact]. I don't know what is different between [Intelligent Item] and [Artifact], but in English I think 「付喪神」 is said "Artifact Spirit." So maybe it is not so different is my thought.
Erima when she is a scarf, she cannot move. She is a scarf. So that is not a problem I think.
To move is only important if she is human or youkai-scarf form. I think [Shapechange] power can allow such a thing.
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2011-01-27, 08:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
Honestly, at this point, Josiah may be cheering Elder on for beating Akio up. He's like the worst possible example of Soul Society for Josiah to see. He's part of a "noble class" (something his country has never truly had, and definitely not with the same "privileges" that ancient nobility carried), he's a grade-A jerk, (assuming Josiah found out) he has no qualms killing his fellow soldiers to get a better shot in, (also assuming Josiah found out) and he's lying through his teeth about Soul Society. It's not Heaven, it's a slightly-less-crappy-than-canon craphole afterlife where Shiro's most likely going to end up homeless in a run-down slum. And people like Akio (those "nobles") generally want things to stay that way.
Seriously, Josiah already has enough reason to dislike Reapers. Never, ever, ever let him get even the tiniest glimpse of the real state of the afterlife. Bad things might happen. Terrible, SCIENCE!-related things.
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2011-01-27, 08:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
"I'm simultaneously flattered and eager to point out everything wrong with this possibility."
From one thing to potted plants, is anyone else squeeing over Riruka Dokugamine, the Xcution girl in Bleach? She totally has the bestest power ever: ability to put anything she finds cute or awesome into a dollhouse.
Nothing creepy with that."It's the fate of all things under the sky,
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2011-01-27, 08:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
Haunt Shift is a spell from one of the supplement books (a book that is not the Player's Handbook, the Dungeonmaster's Guide, or the Monster Manual; some people also add the Player's Handbook II, Dungeonmaster's Guide II and other Monster Manuals to that list) that deals specifically with undead.
Oh! I didn't know that Erima couldn't move in scarf form. So I suppose it's not a problem after all.
I still think Haunt Shift fits it better thematically (because Erima IS, after all, a spirit inhabiting the scarf. I imagine the Tsu- from tsukumogami is the same tsu of tsuku - create or make, isn't it?)The Void, the Cold Steel, the Just Sword courtesy of Prime32.
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This one's new.Spoiler
I met a girl with a really pensive look. I walk up to her, put a fifty cent coin in her hand, "For your thoughts. I know the going rate is supposed to be one, but I figure you play hardball."
She gave it back, "Keep it. Pretty sure a guy with your charm can find a way to have them for free anyway."
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2011-01-27, 09:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
First bold: Akio's never said it was heaven. Would you like to be the one who tells this child (who keeps asking to go to heaven) his options are becoming a literal monster and eating his family, or ending up in the "slightly-less-crappy" SS? He has a fairly good chance of coming out better than the alternative of being a hollow.
Second bold: I'm not so sure that one character would take on the entire SS, no matter how much science they have.Sir Dan Avatar by Mrgone!
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2011-01-27, 09:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
I was under the impression that all objects have spirits, and tsukumogami are just more "awake". In which case I can understand Kasanip's objection, but mechanically it wouldn't make any difference.
EDIT: Any way to set up a red herring where people are being drained of energy by something and Ayase seems like one of the victims?Last edited by Prime32; 2011-01-27 at 09:49 AM.
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2011-01-27, 10:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
I think you mean to say”make" tsukuru, but it is different (to write: 作る)
Maybe it is difficult to understand. Because all thing has soul. Erima is the scarf and spirit of the scarf. It is separate and not separate thing. I think maybe 'soul of scarf' maybe is such a way to say it in English. But it is not meaning "ghost come to possess" (maybe confusing because 付く can mean such a thing).
「付喪神」 is such a writing, but to be 「当て字」 [phonetic equivalent] to read like 「九十九髪」"tsukumogami". 「九十九」 has meaning [99 almost 100(years)]
(such explanation is 99=100-1, [百(100)] - [一画(1 stroke)]=[白(white)] )髪 'white hair'
so "long time is passed with experience kami"「長いの年や経験を経て神」.
付く tsuku to also have this meaning "acquire" and so 神 kami also together, has this feeling of "kami that acquired a long time and very much experience."
I'm sorry if it is confusing. It is a bad explanation for English.
I think maybe this conversation has to become disruptive for BleachITP thread. But I like Erima very much and make comic of tsukumogami story .Last edited by Kasanip; 2011-01-27 at 10:12 AM.
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
I should note that different people have different views of what qualifies as "Heaven". I don't think I'll reveal anything important by stating that Yui is completely serious when she refers to SS as such, and she has at least cursory knowledge of how SS works and is.
"Beware! It's a trap!"
"... well, not the kind of a trap I am, but still."
Why would he take on the entire SS? He could just, you know, kidnap a lonely Shinigami, like Akio is at the moment. Josiah seeing the afterlife doesn't require him to fight anyone either."It's the fate of all things under the sky,
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2011-01-27, 10:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, disruptive conversations are exactly why I added a forum to the wiki. If you want to continue discussing things there...
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2011-01-27, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
The Void, the Cold Steel, the Just Sword courtesy of Prime32.
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This one's new.Spoiler
I met a girl with a really pensive look. I walk up to her, put a fifty cent coin in her hand, "For your thoughts. I know the going rate is supposed to be one, but I figure you play hardball."
She gave it back, "Keep it. Pretty sure a guy with your charm can find a way to have them for free anyway."
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2011-01-27, 11:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
I'm wish the japanese symbols didn't turn into little squares for me.
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
The Void, the Cold Steel, the Just Sword courtesy of Prime32.
AWSUM
This one's new.Spoiler
I met a girl with a really pensive look. I walk up to her, put a fifty cent coin in her hand, "For your thoughts. I know the going rate is supposed to be one, but I figure you play hardball."
She gave it back, "Keep it. Pretty sure a guy with your charm can find a way to have them for free anyway."
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2011-01-27, 01:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
I thought Asuka was gone? Eh.
~Three little maids from school are we,
Pert as a school-girl well can be,
Filled to the brim with girlish glee,
Three little maids from school!~
*looks left* Something seems off about you now for some reason. I can't quite put my finger on it.Last edited by Prime32; 2011-01-27 at 01:37 PM.
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2011-01-27, 01:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well I didn't see a post saying she actually left. I guess the words she spoke implied leaving. I changed my post accordingly.
"I feel like I've met you before... Do you believe in UFOs/ghosts?" *gets ready to breakdance*
SpoilerPretty sure that scene is referencing Toradora in regards to the love conversation between Minorin and Ryuuji in which Minorin uses ghosts/UFOs as code.Last edited by nothingclever; 2011-01-27 at 02:07 PM.
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I love that show. The Giga Pudding product placement sold me on it. It just kills me when she calls him a delicious bastard whether the translation is entirely accurate or not. After all, how can one not love Giga Pudding? It has also invaded Mitsudomoe. Soon no anime will be safe.
But Giga Pudding is love! How could you hate me for informing you of it and its stellar advertising? To think that Kasanip is graced with these glorious products long before the rest of us are. Land of the Rising Sun indeed.Last edited by nothingclever; 2011-01-27 at 03:08 PM.
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
CURSE YOU NC!! NOW I'VE GOT THAT SONG STUCK IN MY HEAD!!! ihateyousomuchrightnow.
The Void, the Cold Steel, the Just Sword courtesy of Prime32.
AWSUM
This one's new.Spoiler
I met a girl with a really pensive look. I walk up to her, put a fifty cent coin in her hand, "For your thoughts. I know the going rate is supposed to be one, but I figure you play hardball."
She gave it back, "Keep it. Pretty sure a guy with your charm can find a way to have them for free anyway."
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2011-01-27, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
If anyone wants to rope the giant American walking the school into a conversation or something, feel free.
EDIT: Also, PUDDI PUDDI!Last edited by Wahrheit; 2011-01-27 at 05:05 PM.
If you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
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Waiting on Riccaru in Soul Society.
If you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
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Re: [BitP:R] BleachITP Reborn OOC Thread 14: When in doubt...Getsuga Tenshou!
Doesn't mean Josiah likes that those are the only choices.
Why can't souls just get kicked back into the cycle while bypassing either of those dimensions? Maybe with a nice peaceful "waiting period"?
That's what he'd wonder, anyways.
And Josiah himself doesn't have to take on SS. He just has to make powered armor viable for mass production.
Also, this.