Final Fantasy d6 (Complete System)

[wiimanclassic]

First, as someone who tends toward the monk over other classes, I really like how you gave it flavor with the chains.

Is a player locked in to the class they choose at the beginning or can they pick and choose at each level?

Also, do you want spelling and editing comments?

You can take an ability to switch class each level I think.

[Dust]

Oh lord, it looks so awful in that format. Oh, well.

A lot of the spelling and grammar problems exist because I haven't actually spellchecked that section. It was really quite a spur-of-the-moment sort of decision to stick it up. That said, I would of course appreciate it, though I'm sure there's a lot.

The chains for monk was something I wanted to do for a long time (and even hope to improve upon it as it gets playtested a bit after the release) but a lot of stuff was feeling very MMORPGish and I was trying to avoid that feeling.

It does end up costing Destiny to Job Change, just because I feel it should stay a big event that should only happen once or maybe twice, but will ultimately be a fairly accessible and easy option.

[wiimanclassic]

Or use the subjob variant from the FF11 and only allow it once a session.


Does magic stay after switching jobs? Since its granted by a classes inate ability I mean.

[Dust]

Yes, spells obtained (as well as weapon/armor 'proficiencies') stay regardless of your current Job. Non-mage jobs don't grant bonus MP, so they can't use it as OFTEN, but that's the only real downside.

[Kobold-Bard]

Well except if they decide on Ultima how often will the DK get off a tier 5 spell?

Technically ultima has another Rank 5 Spell as a pre-req in the older version, so DJ couldn't pick it.

And you're right, it's just a concept thing that irks me a bit; they've dedicated themselves to combat skill, yet can access the Black/Whote mage's ultimate powers as well, just seems weird. Especially when Red Mages (rightly) only get Rank 4 spells.

[Arete]

I enjoyed reading the first writeup, and am looking forward to the revised edition; enough that I might run my own game even.

First, I like the simplification of races as just flavor-text; FF characters have always been defined more by their abilities and talents than race, so that was a good choice.

The stats make sense, and doing away with ratings was a good move. As a suggestion, I'd consider a minimum of 2, rather than 1, in any stat, for a few reasons; given an average of 6 for starting adventurers, that puts the minimum at a reasonable range while normal people (3) are just a bit better. But more importantly, it means the lowest possible Force/Finesse is 1 ((2+2)/4). Unless it was intended that characters can have a Force/Finesse of 0? Because if we always round down, that's a real possibility if you have 2 or more stats at 1. EDIT: Another reason is that other Attribute minimums (ie., Entertainer's Montage) list 2 as the minimum, and I like consistency like that. :) /EDIT

There's also at least one Ability (Black Mage's Crystal Cannon for example) that lets you sacrifice Attribute points. Would that use the same minimum value of either 1 or 2?

[Story Time]

And you're right, it's just a concept thing that irks me a bit; they've dedicated themselves to combat skill, yet can access the Black/Whote mage's ultimate powers as well, just seems weird. Especially when Red Mages (rightly) only get Rank 4 spells.

Haven't you ever wondered what happens when mages Hold Hands?

[Kobold-Bard]

Haven't you ever wondered what happens when mages Hold Hands?

[Fearan]

Ok, am I correct?
Draw-out.
T8 - nobody have ever done that, blah-blah-blah. Probably rewrite reality.
Iaido
gain 50% chance of non-breaking the weapon via Draw-Out. OR just don't break the weapon by spending a Destiny point.

So what do we have here?
Step 1: Grab Masamune.
Step 2: Draw out Masamune for Epic Wish-like effect. Spend a Destiny point.
Step 3: Repeat until you run out of Destiny points.

[steelsmiter]

Ok, am I correct?
Draw-out.
T8 - nobody have ever done that, blah-blah-blah. Probably rewrite reality.
Iaido
gain 50% chance of non-breaking the weapon via Draw-Out. OR just don't break the weapon by spending a Destiny point.

So what do we have here?
Step 1: Grab Masamune.
Step 2: Draw out Masamune for Epic Wish-like effect. Spend a Destiny point.
Step 3: Repeat until you run out of Destiny points.

nice exploitation... though the GM could allow you ultima for the epic wishlike effect you'd spend 4 to keep it from destroying everyfrigginthing!

[mint]

I was just browsing the job preview pdf and I was wondering about the background. Have you considered using straight up white instead of the mottled parchment style?
I think white would be very attractive with the blue gradient and the crystals.

[ArthurFrayn]

Interesting direction to take things. I like the simplification of the stats a lot, but I'm curious to see how other things will work out like job levels and leveling up.

Thanks for sharing what you have so far. I'll be watching for more!

EDIT: I can't remember now- was Zeromus stated up in the 1st release?

[Dust]

I was just browsing the job preview pdf and I was wondering about the background. Have you considered using straight up white instead of the mottled parchment style?
I think white would be very attractive with the blue gradient and the crystals.

I agree wholeheartedly and will be doing this.

I can't remember now- was Zeromus stated up in the 1st release?

Nope, I missed a TON of bosses and they wound up being all out of order. After having done the entire bestiary, trying to balance the End Bosses took a lot out of me, so I just sort of whipped them up as I was inspired to do so. Zeromus, Ultimecia, Sin, Orphan, and the Shadowlord are all showing up this time around.

[andhaira]

Can't wait! I would also like to offer my services as a proofreader/playtester. :)

Also, some people have mentioned a preview pdf, where is it? Was it only pm'd to select people? If so, can I have it?

Regards

[Kobold-Bard]

Can't wait! I would also like to offer my services as a proofreader/playtester. :)

Also, some people have mentioned a preview pdf, where is it? Was it only pm'd to select people? If so, can I have it?

Regards

Linked on the previous page:

As a thanks for keeping me motivated on this project, guys and gals, I wanted to give a little thanks. This link contains a complete version of the updated Jobs, with only a few things technically unfinished.

- The formatting is still very much designed to be viewed in Word and not in PDF format, and it's a visual mess. The text detail graphics are always the last things I touch up and finalize (something I couldn't force myself to do at 4am on a Thursday morning, alas, even though looking at the Monk's hair and Red Mage's outline causes me PHYSICAL PAIN!). The finished version will look significantly better.
- The ACC and AVD values of all Jobs are listed as broad categories like 'Poor' and 'Good' instead of actual numbers. Playtesting has shown a few potential problems with scaling evasion, and I wanted to make sure those get completely addressed before finalizing the numbers.
- Lots of stuff referencing other pages is marked simply as ???. This is shorthand for when a page can't be found because, for obvious reasons, it doesn't exist in the pdf. Likewise, there's lots of stuff being referenced that can't be looked up - use your imaginationz!

I now wish I had included the list of thank-yous, because the forum was a ton of help with this whole process, and I'm looking forward to showing off the entire book. Let me just say that there's lots of people who should have been credited previously and weren't (like Kobold-Bard, steelsmiter, and wiiman), and I apologize for that - your contributions have been completely essential.

Hopefully I manage to get the playable version of this damn thing out before December!

As well, I'm sure there's all sorts of munchkinny combos in the abilities I'm missing. If you spot anything that works together FREAKISHLY well, is overtly complicated or just completely worthless, please do let me know.

[Blisstake]

Nope, I missed a TON of bosses and they wound up being all out of order. After having done the entire bestiary, trying to balance the End Bosses took a lot out of me, so I just sort of whipped them up as I was inspired to do so. Zeromus, Ultimecia, Sin, Orphan, and the Shadowlord are all showing up this time around.

Is Orphan actually going to be immune to Death in this stat-up? (He wasn't in FFXIII, oddly enough)

[wiimanclassic]

Why change Evasion to avoidance? Also manafont is slightly op if they have at least the cost to use+3 or a multiple there of. Why? ULTIMAS!!11!1!!1

[louiscrites]

So are there only 8 levels total, or is job switching the default now?

[Dust]

So are there only 8 levels total, or is job switching the default now?

The former; you'll only level-up 7 times, which makes for slightly odder gameplay conceptually, but ultimately a feeling that I'm a LOT happier with. I'm sure there's going to be a lot of disapproval on this point.

Why change Evasion to avoidance?

A lot of it has turned into avoiding attacks through parrying, soaking, deflecting, blocking, kicking up chunks of wooden floorboard to shield yourself from hurled daggers in mid-air, and so on. EVA just didn't sound right. Neither does AVD, but it's a lot closer.

Is Orphan actually going to be immune to Death in this stat-up? (He wasn't in FFXIII, oddly enough)

Ha, I like this. No, I don't think he will be.

[wiimanclassic]

On Red Mage it says they get 1 superior under 2 superior.


Also I plan to just ask the people I play with if they want to switch to the new edition or not.

[louiscrites]

The former; you'll only level-up 7 times, which makes for slightly odder gameplay conceptually, but ultimately a feeling that I'm a LOT happier with. I'm sure there's going to be a lot of disapproval on this point.

I think so, too. One of the things that people dislike about level systems (if they have a beef with them) is that they give you too much "stuff" at one time. The new system exacerbates this problem heavily by having even less levels and getting even more "stuff" at each level. I feel like some things are being changed just for the sake of changing them.

It seems like you want to steer clear of anything involving a lot of levels and experience points, and so, I have to ask: why are you trying to do that in a system that is famously known for leveling up a whole bunch of times? Your original work was quite good and after some cleaning up would have been fantastic; frankly your new system has me experiencing that weird sort of vibe that had me evading, well, all other Final Fantasy RPGs. A leveling system that caps at 8, to me, is missing the point of being a leveling system. There's not enough progress. You're not making slow & steady progress or fast and furious; it's slow and choppy. I think it will be jarring in actual play, but that is only speculation; although you did mention odder gameplay.

I also have a bunch of balance questions that you probably don't have time for, such as "why the heck does a Dark Knight get the same amount of magical capability as a freaking mage class?"

[Akabana_Shin]

I am not seeing the 8-level cap in the pdf yet... Maybe I haven't read that much.

Btw, I'm not sure someone's already said this, but there's a small typo in the name of one of the black mage's abilities. The name of the ability is mistaken by the name of another ability (copy-pasta typo?) I'm on mobile and don't remember exactly which ability has the name wrong, but it has the name of the first ability of the black mage's list.

[MagnusExultatio]

A friend and I are slightly concerned over the White Mage's Stronger Together ability. It's a bit... odd. I wouldn't say it's broken, but it does seem to be a really really good choice for a job ability, as in you'd be silly to not choose it.

[Story Time]

I also have a bunch of balance questions that you probably don't have time for, such as "why the heck does a Dark Knight get the same amount of magical capability as a freaking mage class?"

...this is intended with quiet politeness. Please search this thread as the specific subject addressed here has been mentioned previously. In an exceedingly exhaustive repetition.


The rest of the post, though, I felt had some merit and if time constraints along with other factors allowed me to run a campaign based on the current version it might allow myself and a small few exploration of some of the mentioned particulars. Unfortunately, other forces continue to restrain.

[...]using straight up white instead of the mottled parchment style?

...again, with politeness, I disagree. A background allows a document to appear more polished when handled correctly. Perhaps I simply like parchment as a result of my personal tastes. But none of the above will likely cause me to withdraw my support from this project.

[edsaurus]

I didn't understand a thing.
At page 15 it says that characters gain 1 attribute point per level, when at page 119 it says that they gain 1 attribute point every 3 levels instead.
What's the correct one?

[Kobold-Bard]

I didn't understand a thing.
At page 15 it says that characters gain 1 attribute point per level, when at page 119 it says that they gain 1 attribute point every 3 levels instead.
What's the correct one?

Both, as it says on p.119.

You get 1 point/level to assign to any stat you like (max. 30 obviously).

The 1/3 levels is a further bonus (that you don't get if you start higher than the level where you would have got it) that can't go in your highest stat, to help round your character out.

[DruidJP585]

As a IRC player playing a White Mage Living Doll (Technically an Android, but styled like FF9 black mages), I have some things to say.

First off, old book.
Under grafts it mentions both tinkering and machines. Which synth skill do you use to make and repair grafts?

Now back to Job Preview:
in the new system... one of the few redeeming qualities I found is the Limit abilities and magic not taking the innate slot. They allow for a balance of sorts that I found refreshing, keeping someone from loading up on the 'power feats' for their class right off of the bat.
If they were implemented in the old 30 level system that would be great.
This is how you could be able to do it: At levels 5, 15, and 25 they gain a limit ability with their limit break.
I chose those three levels as they represent three stages of the game. Start, Midpoint, and Endgame. It would also mean they gain a Limit Ability right next to their limit break, which is awesome if you think about it.

Honestly, I am not too keen on the leveling change...

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EDIT: Before I forget, Manduin. Give him a special that allows one party member to exclude themselves from the party summon, that way he can utilize Trance on them.

Also, Time Mage has no legendary accessory.

[wiimanclassic]

Maybe tone down the Dark Knights legendary accessory from "Lulz no death unless boss uses no mercy" to "When knocked to 0 hp you may act as if you had 1 hp for 3 more turns" or something.

[DruidJP585]

Personally, I would like to call for an Errata version 1.1 or something to the old book before releasing the new one.

Where it would cover stuff like:

• The missing legendary accessory for Time Mage
• The ambiguity of which skill governs graft creation and repair
• Clarification on what happens if a Special Vehicle is reduced to 0 hp
• Balance change for the Dark Knight legendary accessory to keep it from being op.
• Balance change for Geomancer. Remove the Survival skill limitation as it leaves the geomancer at disadvantage.
  ...and more!

The IRC people say the old book is perfectly good, and only has loosends to tie up.

[steelsmiter]

Personally, I would like to call for an Errata version 1.1 or something to the old book before releasing the new one.

Where it would cover stuff like:

• The missing legendary accessory for Time Mage
• The ambiguity of which skill governs graft creation and repair
• Clarification on what happens if a Special Vehicle is reduced to 0 hp
• Balance change for the Dark Knight legendary accessory to keep it from being op.
• Balance change for Geomancer. Remove the Survival skill limitation as it leaves the geomancer at disadvantage.
  ...and more!

The IRC people say the old book is perfectly good, and only has loosends to tie up.

I agree wholeheartedly, except I'm a bit extreme where it comes to the Geomancer and Freelancer.