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2012-10-26, 08:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
My group is running a level 15 gestalt campaign using 3.5 and Pathfinder, basically anything we kind find a source for can be used. I have no idea what kind of character to make or even where to start. Any ideas?
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2012-10-26, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
Hmm, Shifter Ranger Sub 4/Barbarian 1/Weretouched Master 5/Primeval 5//Druid shifter sub 7/Hexer 8.
Some low ability dependance. Wis and Strength is about it. All bout that pure animalistic savagery!
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2012-10-26, 08:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
Try Half-elf Synthesist Summoner//Sorcadin.
Or Bard4/Pouncebarian1/Shou Disciple1/Warblade14//Warlock6/Paladin2/Cloistered Cleric1/Hellfire Warlock3/Legacy Champion8. Needs Eldritch Claws and Beast Strike (Dragon #358 and #355) but it really works.
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2012-10-26, 09:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
Life Oracle3/Paladin12//Sorcerer4/Binder1/AnimaMage10
Orasorcdin! Heal for few action and be a Gish!Last edited by Snowbluff; 2012-10-26 at 09:05 PM.
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2012-10-26, 09:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
Factotum//Warblade, Factotum//Psion, and Factotum//Wizard are all good choices.
Wizard//Psion is one of the best caster builds in the game. As is Wizard//Archivist.
Do you want a caster? An assassin? A skill monkey? A tank?
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2012-10-26, 09:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
I was leaning towards a caster because apparently we don't have a full caster yet. Wizard/Scion sounds interesting.
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2012-10-26, 10:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
Life Oracle3/Paladin12//Sorcerer4/Binder1/AnimaMage10
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2012-10-26, 11:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
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2012-10-27, 12:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
A particularly silly rule, actually, given that dual-progression PrCs are almost universally weaker than single-class casters and that dual-progression PrCs outside of DMG give abilities other than just dual progression.
For casting, I like beguiler 5/wild mage 1/beguiler x//archivist y. Full spontaneous and prepared casting, UMD for the few spells you can't cast natively, minor skillmonkeying, and a CL 0-5 higher than your level. It's awesome for summoning, since illusions of summons are sometimes just as good as the real thing. Be an Uurkrau illumian to change your archivist spells/day from Wisdom to Dexterity, and then you only need Intelligence, Dexterity, and Constitution (or dump Constitution and be a necropolitan).Author of The Auspician's Handbook and The Tempestarian's Handbook for Spheres of Power.Greenman by Bradakhan/Spring Greenman by Comissar/Autumn Greenman by Sgt. Pepper/Winter Greenman by gurgleflep
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2012-10-27, 12:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
What sort of power are you looking at?
Wizard//Facto with something like shadowcraft mage or incantrix would be on the high end. You get insane spells, int to everything, double action in rounds.
Sorc 4/Dread witch 5/Nightmare spinner 5 // Hexblade 3 / Pally Tyrn 2 / Blackguard 2 /something with intimidate would be on the medium and fun flavor. Crazy fear and save bonuses
Spellthief 15 // Something /rogue/ur-priest/luckstealer would be on the mid tier and kinda fun
Facto 3/Duskblade 12 // Wizard (+prestige of your choice) 15 would be also mid tier and fun. Lots of gishy blasty power.
Spellthief 15 // Facto 5ish/Cameleon 10 would be amusing too. Less casting power but a lot of rogue like abilities and some casting. Lower power, but still not too bad.
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2012-10-27, 12:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
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2012-10-27, 12:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
A particularly silly rule
except when it comes to the fact that you can make a Sorcerer//Favored Soul or Wizard//Archivist with Mystic Theurge on one side and get dual lvl 9 castingLast edited by Darius Kane; 2012-10-27 at 12:53 AM.
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2012-10-27, 01:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
The solution, then, is not to ban whole swaths of classes with interesting abilities, but to specify that class features only count as prerequisites for PrCs on that side of the gestalt. Having treble or even quadruple 9s isn't any more unbalancing than the double 9s of a Wizard//Archivist.
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2012-10-27, 01:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
The name is "tonberrian", even when it begins a sentence. It's magic, I ain't gotta 'splain why.
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2012-10-27, 01:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
The solution, then, is not to ban whole swaths of classes with interesting abilities, but to specify that class features only count as prerequisites for PrCs on that side of the gestalt.
Having treble or even quadruple 9s isn't any more unbalancing than the double 9s of a Wizard//Archivist.
A dual caster without optimization might be weak.
A Wizard or Cleric is T1, with optimized dual casting it becomes "T0".
Triple 9s is just overkill.Last edited by Darius Kane; 2012-10-27 at 01:25 AM.
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2012-10-27, 03:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
Warblade 15/ Wu jen 15, with the body outside body trick.
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2012-10-27, 03:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-27, 04:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
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2012-10-27, 04:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
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2012-10-27, 04:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-27, 04:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-27, 06:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
Wu-Jen 15 // Archivist 10 / Contemplative 1 / Dweomerkeeper 4
Int-Sad with he Academic Priest feat.
Now each of your clones can cast one spell!
At level 17 make it 2 spells, including XP-free wish and miracle!
Also 5 PRC levels (6-10) free to use on either side of the build.Last edited by docnessuno; 2012-10-27 at 06:25 AM.
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2012-10-27, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
Since usually you can only cast one thing at once, you might put offense on one side in the form of a caster and defense or other passive abilities on the other side. A simple example would be:
sorcerer 20 // paladin 2 / barbarian 1 / monk X
You get huge saves, evasion, high speed for kiting, a little extra AC and ok hp.
A real build would probably include prestige classes in place of later sorcerer and monk levels, but you get the idea.Last edited by ericgrau; 2012-10-28 at 10:51 AM.
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2012-10-28, 09:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can not gestalt today, I has the dumbs.
Synth Summoner//Totemist/Incarnate
Use Incarnate Avatar (Evil) to pump your damage, enjoy your 50 or so natural attacks per round.
Be a quadruped eidolon(you can just buy arms), grab pounce, large size, huge size, str increase, and all the natural attacks you can afford
You also get shiny summoner spells, so yay.
Alternatively, Druid//Totemist/Incarnate/Monk is a fun thing to play. All the crazy soulbinding, none of the worries.