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2014-09-04, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Eric Greenhilt
What's the reason behind Eric Greenhilt being in the LG afterlife? He certainly died too early to have deliberately made any moral or ethical stand in his short life.
My theory is that it's a combination of two things...
1. It was expedient for storytelling purposes; the Giant wanted a reunion between Roy and Eric and it was the easiest way to do so.
2. The Giant, being a quasi-SJW (for the lack of a better term), didn't think it'd be "right" for Eric to end up in the TN afterlife or elsewhere along with the implications of such. Could've been an interesting commentary on the D&D afterlife, but I suppose it also might've delved a bit more into real-life religion and philosophy than what the Giant (or the audience) would be comfortable with.
Was this explained elsewhere?
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2014-09-04, 06:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Considering most of the rest of the family is LG, maybe he already was aligned that way enough to get into Mount Celestia. Or they just decided that's where his mother was likely to end up.
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2014-09-04, 06:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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It took me like 15 minutes, but I finally tracked down the Giant's relevant post on the matter.
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...3#post17213673
My favorite part is the marauding githyanki doctors.Last edited by Keltest; 2014-09-04 at 06:33 PM.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-09-04, 06:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-04, 06:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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As the giant pointed out, its rather difficult to come up with an adequate answer that doesn't freak everyone the heck out in some way. "he stays there because his mom is there and he stays until he is ready to move on." is pretty much the only way to make the afterlife actually, you know, happy for someone. Not that I think an Infant would be likely to care all that much.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-09-05, 06:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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An afterlife that is both supposed to be happy and allow you to still have meaningful experiences *must* be more complicated than you go someplace nice, because one of the things that makes experiences meaningful is that they can change you enough to alter what would make you happy. Even if it's just by accumulated boredom. Afterlife schemes rarely address this in much detail, and those that try usually ditch the accumulating meaningful experiences part (by reincarnating you without memories, or periodically erasing them in the river Lethe, or when you awake for each new day of glorious battle, or by insisting you will be so transformed as to be *unable* to change to become unhappy). Being able to move up the mountain at least acknowledges the issue exists.
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2014-09-05, 07:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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How in the world does the pejorative social justice warrior factor into where Eric Gre- You know what, never mind.
The concept of an alignment-defined afterlife is weird and troubling, so the Giant just threw something up where everyone's happy and avoiding the fridge logic.Last edited by oppyu; 2014-09-05 at 07:21 AM.
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2014-09-05, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Regardless of Word of Rich, I still have occasional suspicions that real-Eric wasn't really there. Mainly because Roy's Archon didn't know about him.
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2014-09-05, 09:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-09-05, 10:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Plus, Roy's Archon didn't appear to know about Enrique either--does that mean he was a fake?
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2014-09-05, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Where should he have went?
Innocent, pure, open minded, *insert more generic adjectives that comment on the psychology of a developing mind*
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2014-09-05, 10:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-09-05, 10:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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I suppose someplace more Neutral Good-ish is possible. Eric's a toddler, or a little older, so he's partially socialized.
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2014-09-05, 11:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2014-09-05, 11:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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well yeah, that's a bit of a hint that you may not be operating entirely off of factual information... Not that Rich hasn't tried to deceive us before, but im skeptical that he would outright lie to us when hes under no obligation to indicate he even knew there was a question.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-09-06, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Without The Giant's explanation I'd have said it is because his mother's afterlife wouldn't be paradise without her lost son.
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2014-09-06, 03:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think that it -always- work like that, becouse it shouldn't be true that a child son of a CE mother must go to CE afterlive.
However, there is one think that we should considerate: the decision of what afterlife you can go is not absolute, but there is an intelligent being making it. So, when the deva has make the interview to Eric's mother, the deva thought that Eric should go to LE afterlife. And he's right.
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2014-09-06, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-09-06, 04:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-06, 05:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Isn't it? It is a construction of sentient beings, many of whom are obsessed with some kind of standards to the point of being willing to spend eternity judging souls on adherence to them. If the OotS cosmology is not at least close to fair, why did the good and lawful powers ever agree to it in the first place, given that it makes that judgment activity they feel is worth spending eternity doing meaningless any time it is not?
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2014-09-06, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Because as soon as you bring "fair" into it, you run into such problems as "well, the guy was raised by evil parents in an evil city to do evil things, so is it fair to punish him for being evil?" and "Is it fair to separate children from their familes?" and "Should characters who died without a saving throw get to go back to life?"
Life isn't fair. Neither is death. But can you think of a particularly compelling reason that it wouldn't be "fair" for a baby hobgoblin to go to a lawful evil afterlife where their parents are allowed to burn, pillage, and wage war all day, then come home to feed the kid and play blocks with him?Last edited by Keltest; 2014-09-06 at 06:06 PM.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-09-06, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Citation needed.
many of whom are obsessed with some kind of standards to the point of being willing to spend eternity judging souls on adherence to them.
If the gods the comic's shown designed the cosmology, then frankly, I see very little reason to expect fairness to even get a look-in; all the OotS gods, whether nominally "good" or "evil," seem primarily concerned with advancing their own power and indulging their egos. But even if it was designed by outsiders, celestials, modrons, slaadi, and fiends, instead of gods, your argument is insupportable without some reason to presume it was actually a matter of "the celestials designed it and the fiends didn't have a say."Last edited by Kish; 2014-09-06 at 06:23 PM.
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The diner scene in Start of Darkness.
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”