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Thread: 4th Arkentool
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2009-04-27, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-04-27, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Has anyone ever come up with a Theory of the alignment of the Tools?
Regarding the Dish, we know it gives Charlie and unprecedented control of Thinkamancy.
Regarding the Pliers, we knew they were specially destructive against the undead and that they attuned to Wanda, who is a croakamancer. That all makes sense. But Ansom also said that "fate magic was hopeless in his case". What did he mean then? Are the Arkentools aligned to a certain Axis? Or a certain class? Because both the Croakamancy and Thinkamancy are fate magic.
I don't think that there would be one tool for each discipline, that's too many. I always imagined 8 arkentools, one for each major class of magic. But what does fate magic have to do with it?
And what about the Arkenhammer? I can't really figure out what kind of attunement it has. Do the tools actually need an attunement?
I don't think there is enough information out there.
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2009-04-27, 11:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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I agree about the possibility of an arkentrowel. Especially if it somehow ties in with Flower Power.
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2009-04-28, 03:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Arkenhammer is blunt force. It summons dwagons, assumed to be some of the hardest hitting units in the game. It is the beat stick, not the brains.
The Arkendish is the thinkamancers tool. It links communication networks together.
The Arkenpliers twist loyalty and fate, which is closely tied together in Erfworld.
The fourth one really depends on how the plot turns out. If I had to say who uses it, my bet would be Sizemore or Zamussels.
You don't want to see Zamussels with the Arken(can)opener. You just don't.
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2009-04-28, 05:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Just a random thought I had: arkentoilet seat
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2009-04-28, 06:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Firstly, I personaly believe that the arken pliers are somehow croakamany alined.
Thoughts on what the 4th (or onwards) arkentool might be-
Arkenspade- In the tunels Sizemore had a spade that seemed to be a Magic Item, maybe the Arkenspade was a blue print.
Arkenladder- bring on the slapstick of a guy continuesly turning around wilst wilding it.
Arkeniron- even unattuned you can take years off the enemys faces.. and lifespans
Arkenphone- possibly increases scouting abilitys but continues use results in massive upkeep.
Also I was wondering... is it generally conceded that all the tools are based off everyday average home equiptment?Ever seen a god that doesn't smite on demand that was worth a damn?
"It's good to know that anyone capable of melting faces is on the empires side..." Noah, Noah's Story, a Path to Greater Good.
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2009-04-29, 08:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've been thinking about this a little actually, and my best guess is that there are either four or eight Arkentools, each pertaining to a discipline along the Fate axis. Thinkamancy and Croakamancy are gimmes here, and I'd be willing to bet that if the Arkenhammer's abilities are within a discipline, it is that of Changeamancy; recall the running reference to the Hammer turning walnuts into birds and vice-versa, which may or may not be a Chekhov's Gun hidden in plain sight.
Of course, by this theory, the Arkensaw as wielded by Sizemore would probably be Signamancy-related, rather than his nominal specialty. But really, anything in this area is mad speculation for now. ;)
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2009-04-29, 08:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Along the lines of outside the box theories...
ArkenTheCovenant
ArkenNoah
ArkenLight (add a 'd' at the start if it doesn't jump out at you)
ArKenBarbie... (to New Zealanders, this could be a portable barbeque grill...)
Okay. I think I should be done now.
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2009-05-18, 05:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm thinking there might be two more tools out there, one known, and one unknown.
The known: The arkensaw (for stanley).
The unknown: One big, circular tool to rule them all: the arkenwheel (for Lord H, naturally).
EDIT: And damnit, I have to stop getting drawn back here.Last edited by paddyfool; 2009-05-18 at 05:26 AM.
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2009-05-18, 05:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Eyemancy is Life + Motion
Naughtymancy is Motion + Matter
Stuffamancy (changeamancy) is matter
Stagemancy (Carnymancy) is life + motion + matter
Assuming that the hammer is carnymancy, then the tools could be fate and motion aligned, thus the 4 magics specialities are:
Thinkamancy
Croakamancy
Dollamancy
Carnymancy
If the tool is changeamancy aligned, then there doesn't seem to be an obvious code for the elements.
However, the walnut thing does point to changeamancy.Last edited by raphfrk; 2009-05-18 at 05:43 AM.
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2009-05-18, 06:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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I tend to agree with your line of thought, and that of Zictor... I've been thinking about that as well.
I think the hammer is a Changeamancy tool, so we have:
Predictamancy - ?
Dollamancy - ?
Changeamancy - Arkenhammer
Thinkamancy - Arkendish
Signamancy - ?
Croakamancy - Arkenpliers
Carnymancy - ?
Healomancy - ?
Suggestions... here are some, although I'm completely clueless as to what Dollamancy and Carnymancy will include:
Predictamancy - Arkentarots or Arkencalendar
Dollamancy - ??? Arkenbarbie ???
Signamancy - Arkenflag or Arkensemaphores
Carnymancy - ???
Healomancy - Arkenband-aid, Arkenstethoscope, Arkenstaff
Arkensaw is a good pun and hence an excellent candidate for an arkentool.
I think however that the next tool will go to Parson, and with him being a hippiemancer I'm more inclined toward a signamancy tool.
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2009-05-18, 06:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think however that the next tool will go to Parson, and with him being a hippiemancer I'm more inclined toward a signamancy tool.
EDIT However, the fifth tool would be aligned to all schools, rather than any specific school which would mean, by all rules of punnage:
Charlie: Arkendish
Stanley: Arkenhammer
Wanda: Arkenpliers
Rockwell: Arkensaw
Lord Hamster: Arkenwheel
That is all.Last edited by paddyfool; 2009-05-18 at 09:48 AM.
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2009-05-18, 06:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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With just 4 tools, it's possible that each is linked to two schools, rather than one; attuning to one school (but not the other) would be then possible. It could explain the secondary effects of pliers (destroying undead, if it is not directly linked to croakamancy) and of the hammer (changing walnuts to pigeons) as minor effects of the schools that the user is not attuned to.
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2009-05-18, 06:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Predictamancy - Arkentarots or Arkencalendar
Dollamancy - ??? Arkenbarbie ???
Signamancy - Arkenflag or Arkensemaphores
Healomancy - Arkenband-aid, Arkenstethoscope, ArkenstaffLast edited by raphfrk; 2009-05-18 at 06:29 AM.
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2009-05-18, 08:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-05-18, 09:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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He's called the Tool because Parson was insulting him....calling someone a 'tool' in the real world isn't a compliment. He liked it because tools are sacred in Erf, but he was just Stanley the Plaid till Parson showed up.
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2009-05-18, 12:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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hang on! diramancy is stuffamancy, and the ArkenHammer appears to be stuffamancy! sizemore is of the same tribe as stanley....
what if the dirtmancer supreme tool is the hammer? as for dragons, they make sense in that they are the guardians of the treasures of the earth.
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2009-05-18, 11:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-05-19, 10:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-05-21, 10:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm still convinced that there are more than four Arkentools. The only hint we've ever gotten was that there are four known Arkentools. There could be others. Eight is a more logical number (one for each type of magic).
He that knows little repeats it often.
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2009-05-21, 11:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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so...assuming parson gets the 4th known one...perhaps the quest for the unknown Arkentools will encompass the 2nd or maybe the 3rd book?
Assuming 8 tools total, one for each type of magic...that leaves 4 up for grabs...Parson had 4 friends...coincidence?
And if the Arkentools are akin to developer tools of the world they are in...perhaps they have more secrets beyond the obvious?
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2009-05-22, 08:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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I dunno about you guys, but I'm hoping the fourth tool is the Arken-C++ Compiler*.
... But I won't hold my breath.
*Segmentation fault line? :P
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2009-05-22, 09:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-05-23, 12:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-06-06, 11:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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If dollamancy has anything to do with creating cloth golems, mabey the arkeneedle. It could sew sentient cloth dolls, graft cloth limbs onto units, etc.
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2009-06-16, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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I have a slightly different (and likely no less wrong) take on how things might work, on the presumption that there are only 4 known arkentools. I don't recall seeing that but I miss and ignore a lot sometimes. :)
First, the two about which we know* the most:
Arkendish - Thinkamancy - Life and Motion on Fate
Arkenpliers - Croakamancy - Matter and Motion on Fate
In assessing these two, we note that both involve the element of Motion on the Fate axis (and so my crackpot theory begins).
Third is the Hammer, about which we know** somewhat less; however, it's been postulated that the Hammer is a 'tool based around either carnymancy or changemancy. Since it works well with my nascent theory, I'd stipulate that carnymancy - Life, Matter and Motion on Fate - makes some sense for the Hammer - nothing's really a clear fit, if there's even meant to be one, but it's one of the two closest. That yields the expectation of one more Motion-related, Fate-axis tool in Dollamancy (the Arkenthimble or Arkenspool or whatever it may be) which consists of Motion alone on the Fate axis.
If there is one more tool beyond the 4 apparently known, it almost has to be in Healomancy (pure Fate with no physical element) and of course there may be more.
In any case, I'd anticipate that the entire set of Tools could be used by a sufficiently motivated crew to effect Titan-like change on Erf. That in itself might be interesting.
*Frankly, we know very little; we (most of us) assume the various 'tools are aligned similarly to the effects we've seen or the people to whom they're attuned, but it only takes a single contradictory instance to knock down the whole house of cards.
**See previous note.Don't bother trying to appeal to my better nature; I don't have one.
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2009-06-18, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'll throw my hat into the 'Hammer=Carnymancy' theory. Whack-a-mole, anyone?
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2009-09-13, 08:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not going to put my weight behind any complex theories at the moment, but, for everyone who's suggested Sizemore should get an Arkentool:
Arkenpickaxe.
Also, on the whole issue of the obvious Arkensaw pun, it's far too obvious. They might go for Arkenchainsaw instead though.Part of YugiohITPAvatar by Smuchmuch
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2009-09-13, 09:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-09-14, 10:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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