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2012-10-31, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Elan's Happy Ending
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We all know Elan asked the Oracle if this story will have a happy ending and he said that it will for you at least. Knowing this we can assume some of the party members will not have a very happy ending.
SpoilerRedcloak: (I have this in a spoiler since I can not for the life of me remember if the main comic stated it or not) His plan is to release the snarl for the Dark One to use as a bargaining chip to get Goblinkind a better life or worse case destroy the world so the Dark One will have a voice with the new creation. The plan is for EQUAL place not superior in my eyes at least this seems fair and actually more good then evil. Unfortunately because he is a goblin he is forced to team up with Xykon which it has been revealed was not what he had in mind and showed reluctance until it became clear he had no choice. It has finally became a point that he is actively trying to retame and control Xykon for the Goblins chance at a better life.
Elan: It has already shown he is not racist since he did like (if not love in a way) a half-orc. He has also showed that he has a child like view of the world.
If Redcloak reveals why he is doing everything can Elan really stop that AND have a happy ending?Last edited by Rougn; 2012-10-31 at 11:02 AM.
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2012-10-31, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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I doubt Elan would ever know about, let alone understand, Redcloak's plan. And since the Gobbotopia is being accepted by other nations I assume that the goblinoids will reach equality even without Redcloak's success.
There must be some sense of order - personal, political or dramatic - and if no one else is going to bring it to this world, I will.
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2012-10-31, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-31, 12:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Elan's Happy Ending
No, at least one major city economic power (the City State of Cliffport) has recognized Gobbotopia. I don't think its a coincidence that Redcloak has technically accomplished a lot of what he originally set out to do, and is still going along with the plan. He is supposed to be something of a tragic villain, after all.
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2012-10-31, 02:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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How do you know that? And what are the major powers, anyway? So far, one of the oldest and most powerful coutry has been destroyed by Xykon and Redcloak, another (Cliffport) acknowledged Gobbotopia already. The most powerful nations on the Western continent aren't exactly Good, and the -where kingdoms are small-scale enough that a pair of moderately-leveled assasins seem to be all that it takes to kill the king.
There must be some sense of order - personal, political or dramatic - and if no one else is going to bring it to this world, I will.
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2012-10-31, 02:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Also, Redcloak is far from a stereotypical villain and has little reason to explain his plan unless he is 100% sure the hearer will not see the next sunrise.
Last edited by Mike Havran; 2012-10-31 at 02:19 PM.
There must be some sense of order - personal, political or dramatic - and if no one else is going to bring it to this world, I will.
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2012-11-03, 05:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Quite apart from the above objections, I don't think Elan would lose much sleep over stopping Redcloak's plan, no matter how justified it is.
It's not just that Redcloak is the bad guy, and Elan is a sucker for dramatic convention. Elan has lost friends to Redcloak's crusade, and he's seen the amount of suffering it's caused. And he's still naive enough to think that if Redcloak really wanted equality, there are better ways of doing it that all-out war or, even worse, trying to control the Snarl.
So, sure, he may appreciate the tragedy of Redcloak's position, and it may upset him for a while, but he's not going to let it get in the way of his happy ending.
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2012-11-03, 06:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-03, 06:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-03, 07:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-03, 07:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Exactly my point . I just think that it's relevant that, more so than anyone else, he'd be sympathetic to Redcloak... even if it was just for a moment.
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2012-11-03, 11:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Redcloak characterized Gobbotopia's pre-Cliffport recognition portfolio as being composed of "some of the more mercenary nations". This doesn't say much about their power, but rather their diplomatic strategies, but it does explaim where one might get the idea that Cliffport is the powerful exception among them all.
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2012-11-03, 12:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-03, 05:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-03, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Elan's Happy Ending
Simple. The comic ends with Elan visiting a massage parlor.
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2012-11-04, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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I have to wonder - is The Plan going to actually end up destroying Gobbotopia? It is build right under a massive rift. If anything goes wrong with the last gate (or last two gates - I'm kind of assuming that the current storyline in the pyramid is going to end with an exploding gate ) Redcloak will basically end up releasing the Snarl right on top of his beloved Goblinoid nation. Could realizing this possibility cause a last miute Heel Face Turn by everyone favorite goblin cleric?
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2012-11-05, 01:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Just one problem with that idea:
Even IF Redcloak would be ok with equality instead of superiority, who says that the Dark One actually is?
Sure he might have told Redcloak that. But he's an Evil god. He tells people what they want to hear, so they go along with his Plan.
Seriously, if an Evil god has a doomsday weapon aimed at the other gods, why would he stop at equality?
Elan might figure that out.
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2012-11-05, 04:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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I wonder which one of the two is inherently more Evil - Redcloak, or the Dark One?
There must be some sense of order - personal, political or dramatic - and if no one else is going to bring it to this world, I will.
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2012-11-05, 04:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-05, 09:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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The Plan exists to give the Dark One the power to deploy an unstoppable superweapon anywhere he likes and anytime he chooses. With what, assuming as the Dark One does that The Plan should work as intended (with no wrinkles like there being a planet where the Snarl is supposed to be), can he not get away?
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2012-11-05, 11:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-05, 09:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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10 gp says he discovers a land made entirely out of ice cream.
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2012-11-06, 07:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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There will be a demi-plane of ice cream somewhere. Where the lawful forces of Vanilla war with the chaotic forces of Strawberry and the neutral side of Chocolate acts as a mercenary nation. Other flavours would most likely be animals and monsters.
On a more serious note, I suspect that Elan's happy ending has to involve Haley at least, if not the majority of the good guys, surviving.Sanity is nice to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.
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2012-11-06, 09:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Every time I see this thread pop up, I keep thinking of Elan running a massage parlour, and Haley being his only customer.
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2012-11-07, 02:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think Elan would be happy enough if Redloak was defeated, but a non-Evil goblin nation manages to take off. Perhaps Jirix will give up his cleric powers when he realized that the Dark One isn't going to settle for mere coexistence (unless he legitimately does only want a fair shake and not whatever he can get away with, which seems to run counter to him being god of all three Goblin races when they're three different flavors of Often Evil).
Vice-versa would be a little more fitting...we'd probably better not go too far with this line of thought, lest the scrubbers arrive.
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2012-11-20, 03:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Being a bard, Elan sees the world through storytelling tropes, and thus his definition of a happy ending is probably "save the world, get the girl, live happily ever after". By that, we can assume that Haley is safe, but most other characters are fair game.
As for Redcloak and the Plan, I think that Redcloak is, sooner or later, going to turn on Xykon and help the Order defeat him. If that happens, I think that Elan would be happy to help Redcloak come up with a peaceful solution to the goblin's plight.Go not to the Dragons for counsel, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
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2012-11-20, 03:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think the real issue is:
SpoilerHow will he have a happy ending while knowing he will have to anticlimactically kill his father.
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2012-11-20, 08:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Actually it is KNOWN that he will kill his Father. All that is known is that they have to eventually fight. It could potentially lead up to a Luke Skywalker & Darth Vader type thing where he invariable saves his Father from the Dark Side, but he still dies...
That is sort of a bitter sweet happy ending.Larloch, The Shadow King (w/ Ioun Stones) avatar by Iron Penguin
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2012-11-20, 09:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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