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    Quote Originally Posted by Xefas View Post
    Wasn't this the plot of the first episode of Jimmy Neutron?
    For that matter, evil automated pants have a non-trivial role in a Wallace and Gromitt. Now that's something that needs Exalted Stats...I'm thinking a Twilight and a Changing Moon?
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    This, of course, leads to GED VI: Oh Wait, We Forgot Adamant.


    Quote Originally Posted by Urpriest View Post
    For that matter, evil automated pants have a non-trivial role in a Wallace and Gromitt. Now that's something that needs Exalted Stats...I'm thinking a Twilight and a Changing Moon?
    I was looking for a video of these pants, actually, but failed to find one. My Internet Fu is weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonSinged View Post
    Last time I tried to suggest a title before the last page, I got shot down.

    That said, I think we should go with "General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants".
    I like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xefas View Post
    I also like this one. Really, I don't so much care about #V, so much as #VI. We need "General Exalted Discussion VI: Ascendancy Mantle of The Playground".

    I think this is a pretty good analogy, in that wrenches are emphatically more awesome than all fruits and vegetables.
    I agree with everything this post has to say.

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    Now someone needs to make the aspiring Twilight who actually makes an army out of automaton trousers.
    Now that would be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xefas View Post

    Also, we need a new thread title soon. I vote once more for "General Exalted Discussion V: Mountains Were Made To Be Thrown".
    +1 to this.

    EDIT:
    Also, what does the playground think of these rules for elder exalted?
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    I was looking for a video of these pants, actually, but failed to find one. My Internet Fu is weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tael View Post
    +1 to this.

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    Also, what does the playground think of these rules for elder exalted?
    My very first thoughts upon reading those were. But what if we're playing Elders?
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    Hello, all. Somewhat new to Exalted, and have a couple of questions.

    1.) Are there any houserules that are generally held to move the system's logical result away from paranoia combat, or any guidelines for working within the system to not have to worry about it? I'd hate for all those nifty offensive charms to not see any use, but neither do I want to make my character die like a punk for no reason if the ST accidentally makes something more lethal than anticipated.

    2.) Are there any general social rules that are unique to games of Exalted?

    3.) Chainklave: good weapon or best weapon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanguine View Post
    My very first thoughts upon reading those were. But what if we're playing Elders?
    1) I doubt my group will ever to a permanent essence of 6
    2) If they do, they'll have to suck it up and play solars.
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    3) I use avoidance kata and we play essence 7 sidereals.

    On a related note: Do lunars have a max essence of 8? If not, how come the oldest lunars only have essence 8?
    Other related note: Does it describe how long each exalt type lives? The only reference I could find was to Sidereals, who are the oldest at 3000.

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    1) Lethality is part and parcel of the game. Give them free Ox-Bodies up to Stamina, make the core artifact armor cheaper. That'll delay death a bit. Also, 'grand' any weapon needs to be withheld from your NPCs at a minimum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sucrose View Post
    1.) Are there any houserules that are generally held to move the system's logical result away from paranoia combat, or any guidelines for working within the system to not have to worry about it? I'd hate for all those nifty offensive charms to not see any use, but neither do I want to make my character die like a punk for no reason if the ST accidentally makes something more lethal than anticipated.
    Ox-Bodies equal Essence is the common house-rule. Also, have a perfect defense for a panic button, even if you don't have a full-on paranoia combo.

    2.) Are there any general social rules that are unique to games of Exalted?
    Er, do you mean IC or OOC?

    OOC, if anyone breaks the game intentionally, it is perfectly acceptable and culturally encouraged to punch them right in the goddamn face.

    IC, there are a crapload of different cultures in Creation, and it's hard to make generalities.

    3.) Chainklave: good weapon or best weapon?
    Good weapon.

    Bare hands. Best weapon. (See: Solar Hero Style, Infernal Monster Style)
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    On a related note: Do lunars have a max essence of 8? If not, how come the oldest lunars only have essence 8?
    "No", and "Because Lunars", respectively.

    Other related note: Does it describe how long each exalt type lives? The only reference I could find was to Sidereals, who are the oldest at 3000.
    Infernal lifespan fluctuates between 150 years and infinity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm View Post
    OOC, if anyone breaks the game intentionally, it is perfectly acceptable and culturally encouraged to punch them right in the goddamn face.
    This is the definition of Keyword: Chicanery-No.

    Best weapon is Beam-Serpent Sting Staff.

    And sidereal life maximum is 5000 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sucrose View Post
    Hello, all. Somewhat new to Exalted, and have a couple of questions.

    1.) Are there any houserules that are generally held to move the system's logical result away from paranoia combat, or any guidelines for working within the system to not have to worry about it? I'd hate for all those nifty offensive charms to not see any use, but neither do I want to make my character die like a punk for no reason if the ST accidentally makes something more lethal than anticipated.

    2.) Are there any general social rules that are unique to games of Exalted?

    3.) Chainklave: good weapon or best weapon?
    1.) Yes, there are several. Which ones and how effective they are depend on who you're asking, I don't have a list, but someone will shortly.

    2.) Not sure what you mean. IC or OOC?

    3.) Good weapon. Better are Beamfists, Beam Boots, Beam Serpent Sting Staffs, Beam Chainklaves, and Mist Beam Chainklaves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tael View Post
    On a related note: Do lunars have a max essence of 8? If not, how come the oldest lunars only have essence 8?
    Other related note: Does it describe how long each exalt type lives? The only reference I could find was to Sidereals, who are the oldest at 3000.
    No, they can hit Essence 10 like any other Exalt. As for for why, no idea, but Essence 10 is a heck of a lot of XP especially when you consider all the Charms and attributes and Abilities you'll want to buy in a thousand years of life.

    I don't know the exact length of the Solars/Lunars/DBs off the top of my head. However you are wrong about Sidereals. They live exactly 5000 years past their Exaltation sans intervention from things Outside Fate, or was it just violent deaths in general?

    Anyway aside from that Ayssals live forever if they aren't killed, Infernal lifespans are in Broken-Winged Crane and they also have a couple options for making themselves live forever. I believe Alchemicals also live forever sans violent deaths, they at the very least live longer then Solars as Hermegis and the other first Cities are still alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tael
    On a related note: Do lunars have a max essence of 8? If not, how come the oldest lunars only have essence 8?
    Nope. It's just that none of them have lived long enough or had the inclination to get past that.

    Other related note: Does it describe how long each exalt type lives? The only reference I could find was to Sidereals, who are the oldest at 3000.
    Sidereals have a hard cap at 5000 years old (Chejop is ~4995-ish). Solars and Lunars have about 3000 years naturally, I think. Dragon-Bloods can live anywhere between 300-700 years depending on their health and such, though it's possible for them to live longer (Saibok Gauto was around 3000 years old). Alchemicals and Abyssals are both immortal. Infernals vary by Essence, going up as it gets higher, but at Essence 1-5, their lifespan is only 150 years, roughly doubling for every Essence dot past the fifth.

    The only Exalted type who are truly incapable of extending their lifespan are the Sidereals, though. All of the others can get Charms, Hearthstones, or Artifacts to increase their time.

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    It's not a Keyword, it's a way of life.
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    1.) Thank you, for your points, Lochar and Mr. Bookworm. I shall bear them in mind.

    2.) I was indeed referring to OOC, Mr. Bookworm and tonberrian. IC is setting-dependent, and since apparently the Exalted system is used for everything from standard Creation-based games to X-Men-style homes for gifted youngsters, I figured that there wouldn't be much that could be said about every game.

    3.) Mr. Bookworm, you raise an interesting point for elegance, but I must say that hands are sadly lacking in ominous hummmmm. tonberrian, beam Chainklave does sound quite interesting. I imagine that the Glorious Solar Saber version that I'm contemplating of a chainklave will have some similarities with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm View Post
    It's not a Keyword, it's a way of life.
    I don't believe wiser words have been spoken since The Demented One first laid down the secrets of Chicanery-No to us mere mortals.
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    The only Exalted type who are truly incapable of extending their lifespan are the Sidereals, though. All of the others can get Charms, Hearthstones, or Artifacts to increase their time.



    It's not a Keyword, it's a way of life.
    I thought Carjack was offered a Gemstone of Immortality or something but declined it cause he saw his death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AThousandWords View Post
    I thought Carjack was offered a Gemstone of Immortality or something but declined it cause he saw his death.
    Not everyone in the setting has an omniscient third-person perspective. Which is to say, the Sidereals offering it to him thought it would work but Chejop refused because he knew it would not as his death was predestined as are the deaths of all Sidereals.

    Or you know it could just be the game contradicting itself, not like that's never happened. But personally I prefer the above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sucrose View Post
    2.) I was indeed referring to OOC, Mr. Bookworm and tonberrian. IC is setting-dependent, and since apparently the Exalted system is used for everything from standard Creation-based games to X-Men-style homes for gifted youngsters, I figured that there wouldn't be much that could be said about every game.
    Ah. Okay, then.

    Well, again, bring a mace (as in, spiky blunt bludgeoning object, not name-brand pepper spray) to your games, and just straight-up murder anyone exploiting the rules.

    Also, have lots of patience. Combat takes a while, and the system is very, very complex.

    Oh, yes, and most importantly, read the errata. All of it.

    Not sure what to offer beyond that.

    3.) Mr. Bookworm, you raise an interesting point for elegance, but I must say that hands are sadly lacking in ominous hummmmm. tonberrian, beam Chainklave does sound quite interesting. I imagine that the Glorious Solar Saber version that I'm contemplating of a chainklave will have some similarities with it.
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    Also, what does the playground think of these rules for elder exalted?
    So in summary, you start sucking harder in massive ways as punishment for getting too awesome.

    No. Never. Exalted is not the World of Darkness.
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    Also, for your consideration: Gynoscopic chakrams. Hell yeah.
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    Gynoscopic chakrams. Hell yeah.
    lol, Mr.Bookworm, I think you mean "Gyroscopic Chakrams". That prefix means something else.

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    Exalted Discussion V: I want Lunar Errata

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    Some Lunars are into that kind of thing.
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    I dunno. There are probably some Exalts that would get a kick out of throwing razor-women at people. And perfect defenses of any sort make the razored insides merely exotic .

    Edit: Then you apply the Beam template to get Lazor-Women. The Beam template has been proven to make everything cooler. Like, about 20% cooler.
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    I dislike it immensely. Plus, it seems completely unnecessary. Yeah, the big, bad elders can mess you up. Lucky you that there's only like 5 or 6 of them, and Creation is very, very large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonberrian View Post
    I dunno. There are probably some Exalts that would get a kick out of throwing razor-women at people. And perfect defenses of any sort make the razored insides merely exotic .

    Edit: Then you apply the Beam template to get Lazor-Women. The Beam template has been proven to make everything cooler. Like, about 20% cooler.
    Too bad Rarity didn't consider making the dress into a weapon and then making it a Beam version of said weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm View Post
    Ah. Okay, then.

    Well, again, bring a mace (as in, spiky blunt bludgeoning object, not name-brand pepper spray) to your games, and just straight-up murder anyone exploiting the rules.

    Also, have lots of patience. Combat takes a while, and the system is very, very complex.

    Oh, yes, and most importantly, read the errata. All of it.

    Not sure what to offer beyond that.
    All right. Your answer does lead to a follow-up question for me, though: for a system like this, how do you decide where to draw the line between exploiting the rules and using your demigodly powers to play as though you were a demigod?
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