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2012-04-09, 02:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
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2012-04-09, 04:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
As long as Thunt just shakes off the critism, and continues with the comic, I think everyone should be fine. Hypersensitivity to that issue can hardly be unexcepted at the hands of the woman here, especially given her circumstances. I really don't think it benefits either of them to keep this in the public eye.
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2012-04-09, 05:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
I noticed the contest closed the comments section and opened a new one
At least they noticed eventually. Still, we'll let it die like the rest of flames do.
Anyways, thoughts on if the whole party makes it through the dungeon? What if only one makes it to the end and succeeds? What happen to the other two?
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2012-04-09, 05:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
I can see Gez's point on most of what he said. One thing I disagree with is when it was said that Thunt used rape solely to depict how evil Goblinslayer was. In my mind that plot point served two important purposes, neither of which is depicting Goblinslayer as evil since he already proved himself to be a complete monster (not that is wasn't at least a little surprising that he would sink as low as rape.)
The first point was to establish Kin's trauma and gives her desire not to be touched by men, human men specifically. However this may be done without Goblinslayer out right stating what he did, which brings us to point two.
The moment Goblinslayer flat out admits to being a rapist is the moment Minmax draws the line and shows the audience that he does indeed have a moral compass. He may still have thought of monsters as XP fodder, but he knew there are somethings you just don't do even to monsters. Minmax throwing Goblinslayer out that window was a crowning moment of awesome, not just because Goblinslayer deserved it (which he did and more), but because it was Minmax standing up for a monster.Last edited by Lizard Lord; 2012-04-09 at 05:12 PM.
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2012-04-09, 05:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
This exactly. It wasn't about showing Goblinslayer was a bad person, because everyone knew that. There was no need to hammer that in. What did need to be shown, however, was precisely what Minmax needs to hear in order to go against everything he knows.
It wouldn't have worked if it was from Forgath's point of view, hearing them talk about something before Minmax gets mad and throws Dellyn out a window. Show, don't tell.
The moment where Minmax awkwardly laughs, before absorbing what Dellyn says, said so very much about his character. I could go on for a paragraph or two about all the things we could derive from that, but I digress already. Suffice to say, it was in fact quite important to hear Goblinslayer spell out exactly what he does to Kin -- just not as it relates to Goblinslayer directly.My PMV's! Youtube Channel
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2012-04-09, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
Yes, indeed. It was an epic character moment between a character whose defining characteristic is being written as completely over the top total idiot and a character whose defining characteristic is being written as completely over the top total sadist and abuser. That is some quality comic writing there.
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2012-04-09, 05:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-09, 11:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
True some sensitivity should be allowed for, but when terms like "Rape Sympathizer" "Misogynist" start getting thrown around its time to draw a line. Those phrases can carry a lot of meaning, they are only a step short of rapist, and when they get bandied around and people start listening to them whole lives can be upturned. And it could really damage his comic if it were to go the wrong way.
Also i think a lot of people miss something, Thunt sees us as his pals. To him were the guys, we hang out with him when he draws he shares funny stories with us. When things to wrong in his life he blogs about it to us, and talks to us about it. He sees his fans as friends, whom he is telling a story he really wants to tell too. So when he puts up a post like that i think of it like when I bitch to a friend about the guy who cut me off it traffic, or when my boss gets on my nerves and i've had a bad day.Last edited by Dragonus45; 2012-04-09 at 11:18 PM.
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2012-04-10, 12:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
Oh, I never said it was his intention. At least I didn't mean to make it sound that way. I'm just saying he should have seen it coming. There's other ways to go about it than the way he chose, which was completed unprofessional. That, plus posting her exact responses instead of just paraphrasing lets fans get right in there with a simple google search or two.
All in all, I agree with what busterswd said.
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2012-04-10, 01:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
Right, back on comic.
I wonder how Bald Turd MinMax, having a Pit fiend on his side, was still wondering in the dungeon... he should have won it long time ago.
This says 2 things (IMO):
1 - they're there since a (relatively?) short time (shorter than our group, anyway)
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2 - BTMM is only good at guessing names...Last edited by Killer Angel; 2012-04-10 at 02:01 AM.
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2012-04-10, 06:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
Does anyone else think it's questionable that the vote total shot from 20,000 on previous contests to 40,000, and all in the last half-day? That seems odd to me. Of course, it's not slanted to one side or the other, so if there were shenanigans, it was on te part of both fan bases...
Killer Angel, PsiMax said they always die to AltMax, so it implies several runs.Last edited by Barbarian MD; 2012-04-10 at 06:19 AM.
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2012-04-10, 07:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
Maybe not. Think about the key room. They needed what, 3-4 keys with sub 9 stats to move on? There are only two of them there, and assuming pit boy kept melting anyone who walked by, there wasnt anyone to be forced into helping them pass. Other rooms like the door that only opens with confusion and closes with comprehension might also cause issues. Ill agree that any direct combat was probably a walk for them though.
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2012-04-10, 07:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-10, 07:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
i'm pretty sure the key treasure is just a little bonus thing and nothing more. people can walk right on by without even trying for it if they want to.
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2012-04-10, 09:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2012-04-10, 10:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
Consider this: the only variability in all of the permutations is who you encounter during the run. Take 20 groups: if none of them get out, they will all run the EXACT SAME COURSE in the EXACT SAME WAY for infinity. If one of them gets out, it opens up a new spot, and now you have a new value in your equation, which can allow for change.
Granted, there's the whole butterfly effect, so each time someone gets out it might shower small variations throughout the whole system, but on the whole you'll have people making the exact same mistakes every time.
It was only the intervention of PsiMax that will save the prime group this time around. Otherwise, they would have died to the demon, just as they had every time previously for who knows how many permutations.
Here's a somber example: let's say that you have two groups in the confusion room, and they both get killed. If that's the first room they encounter, then they keep dying in the exact same manner, having the exact same conversations, for infinity.
Worst. Dungeon. Ever.
As I think about it, the trip counter could conceivably play a role in increasing a group's cautiousness, but without knowing what it is that they did last time, their "cautious" approach would probably continue to be the same (deadly) approach.
If one knew about the counter before starting, you could in effect "program" your group to proceed differently each time. Every number divisible by five you take only left turns, every number divisible by 10 you take only right turns. Every odd number you're very aggressive, every even number you're very cautious. When you start throwing more complicated patterns, like every third number we do X, and every 7th number we do Y, and every prime number we add in this extra thing, you start getting exponential permutations. That sort of thing would guarantee that you're introducing variation, so you wouldn't be doomed to chance.
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2012-04-10, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
We still don't know how rooms are affected by the resets. For all we know the rooms as well as the players shuffle around each time.
For example our group and the barbarian group all met in the confusion room this time, but perhaps last time they met in a room with a jumping puzzle. Perhaps the time before that they did not meet at all and were in two completely different rooms. Perhaps the time before THAT they both met in a room filled with fire. Etc.Avy by Thormag
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2012-04-10, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
It's worth pointing out that PsiMax's precise language here is "It'd be more efficient to set you free and let you die in the tower room again." It sort of gives the impression that they do, in fact, follow the same path every time.
It's not a total guarantee, though; the tower room might just be a room they've happened to reach many times before and it's so deadly to their specific group that they die pretty much every time.My PMV's! Youtube Channel
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2012-04-10, 03:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Update.
SpoilerDeath by tree in an unusual way. I like it.
The Goblinslayer flashback is just a little disturbing."They couldn't know that the points from the mainline to the siding were frozen, and the signal should have been set at 'DANGER', but snow had forced it down."
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2012-04-10, 03:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
SpoilerI hadn't even considered the flashback potential from the trees, this is either going to be a moment that kills the developing fluffy feeling between KinMax or hes going to calm her down in some super romantic bonding scene and KinMax shall become official.
Also, no fire on the trees?Last edited by Dragonus45; 2012-04-10 at 04:30 PM.
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2012-04-10, 04:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-10, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
SpoilerIronic how he now throws in a rape flashback, don't you think?
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2012-04-10, 04:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-10, 04:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable
SpoilerI don't think he is going to rescue her, her escaping on her own is most likely. Its the aftermath that im thinking of. That said it is possible that her flashback might paralyze her.
SpoilerYea, but at the rate thunt works he had to have had this planned before the trouble started.Thanks to Linklele for my new avatar!
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2012-04-10, 05:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerPanel 4 doesn't sound right to me. I'm not quite sure why. Sounds more like Kin than MinMax, minus the technobabble.Avatar by Glasswhistle
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2012-04-10, 06:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Can I just say I find it hilarious that immediatly after shaking off someone misreading his comic as containing cheap rape drama, he uploads a page containing cheap rape drama thrown into the last few pages?
EDIT: Looks like I'm not the first to post this, but it's still funny.