Avengers Characters as D&D Characters

[moritheil]

Black Widow – Rogue (Assassin? Spymaster? Thief-Acrobat?)
Hawkeye – Ranger (Peerless Archer?)
Captain America – Fighter/Marshal
Hulk – Barbarian (Frenzied Berserker)
Thor – Cleric (Outsider with Spell-Like Abilities?)
Iron Man – Artificer


Thoughts? Other characters?

[Ramza00]

You could also do the Hulk as a Goliath combine with a Warhulk. When he is not large size or greater he lose the abilities of the Hulk and thus regain his intelligence. When in the hulk form he suffers from no time to think.

[moritheil]

You could also do the Hulk as a Goliath combine with a Warhulk. When he is not large size or greater he lose the abilities of the Hulk and thus regain his intelligence. When in the hulk form he suffers from no time to think.

I was actually thinking the Bear Warrior mechanic would work well for him (except that when he rages he turns into a big green guy, not a bear.)

[Eldan]

There is a build floating around on the net somewhere, actually, for a guy who starts out medium size strength 10 but grows to gargantuan superstrong when raging. I think it's is actually called Hulk, so there's that.

Thor could also be a Warblade with the right homebrew disciplines. I've seen a few like that.

[NerfTW]

Wouldn't you just use one of the superhero/modern based D20 versions than shoehorning them into a fantasy setting?

[Anecronwashere]

Wouldn't you just use one of the superhero/modern based D20 versions than shoehorning them into a fantasy setting?

That's too simple for the internetz. We thrive on complexity and cramming fleshed out people into tiny boxes called "Classes" and "builds"

Hulk would be a Bear Warrior or a Frenzied berserker and some form of Contingent healing activated when he stops Raging

Iron man is obviously either a Warlock or Artificier

Thor is an Outsider Crusader

Captain America is a Bard with Perform: Badassery gestalt with a Swordsage or a Shieldbash build

Hawkeye is an Elf with a cheesy Archery build and a ton of homebrew ammo

Black Widow is a Rogue with Acrobatic Skill Tricks

Wolverine is a Tempated (claw attack and regen) Unarmed Swordsage

[Tyndmyr]

Black Widow – Rogue (Assassin? Spymaster? Thief-Acrobat?)
Hawkeye – Ranger (Peerless Archer?)
Captain America – Fighter/Marshal
Hulk – Barbarian (Frenzied Berserker)
Thor – Cleric (Outsider with Spell-Like Abilities?)
Iron Man – Artificer


Thoughts? Other characters?

Forget statting them out. Imagine them all sitting down round the table and rolling chars.

[DiscipleofBob]

Forget statting them out. Imagine them all sitting down round the table and rolling chars.

"I don't see why we have to do this stupid point-buy system. I mean clearly my Intelligence and Charisma are well above 20. Wisdom is maaaybe 18. Constitution: I survived shrapnel to the heart, so that's got to be something. Strength: with or without the suit?"

"Verilly I shall play a Lawful Good Paladin of Odin, and woe be to anyone who angers me and mine magic hammer! What? What do you mean I don't begin with a magic hammer?!"

"HULK INT SCORE NOT 6! HULK SMART! HULK HAVE SCIENCE DEGREE PAPER SAY SO!"

"Eh, I prefer 1st Edition."

[Starbuck_II]

You could also do the Hulk as a Goliath combine with a Warhulk. When he is not large size or greater he lose the abilities of the Hulk and thus regain his intelligence. When in the hulk form he suffers from no time to think.

Goliath means too tall/large normally (Banner does not have powerful buiild).
What he should be is a human (variant) with levels in Stome Blessed (Goliath) then when he rages he is large for Warhulk.

[hamishspence]

Order of the Stick (Start of Darkness) did some X-men flavoured D&D characters, and I thought it worked pretty well.

Similar ideas could be used for the Avengers.

[Dr.Epic]

Hulk - barbarian
Iron Man - ??? some kind of arcane caster?
Thor - cleric
Captain America - I always kind of thought paladin or maybe fighter
Hawkeye - ranger or fighter
Black Widow - rogue

[CarpeGuitarrem]

"I don't see why we have to do this stupid point-buy system. I mean clearly my Intelligence and Charisma are well above 20. Wisdom is maaaybe 18. Constitution: I survived shrapnel to the heart, so that's got to be something. Strength: with or without the suit?"

"Verilly I shall play a Lawful Good Paladin of Odin, and woe be to anyone who angers me and mine magic hammer! What? What do you mean I don't begin with a magic hammer?!"

"HULK INT SCORE NOT 6! HULK SMART! HULK HAVE SCIENCE DEGREE PAPER SAY SO!"

"Eh, I prefer 1st Edition."

/thread, right here. (Also, Stark's bit is my favorite: nailed him.)

Actually, you know what? This totally needs to be a fancomic.

[Raimun]

"I don't see why we have to do this stupid point-buy system. I mean clearly my Intelligence and Charisma are well above 20. Wisdom is maaaybe 18. Constitution: I survived shrapnel to the heart, so that's got to be something. Strength: with or without the suit?"

"Verilly I shall play a Lawful Good Paladin of Odin, and woe be to anyone who angers me and mine magic hammer! What? What do you mean I don't begin with a magic hammer?!"

"HULK INT SCORE NOT 6! HULK SMART! HULK HAVE SCIENCE DEGREE PAPER SAY SO!"

"Eh, I prefer 1st Edition."

"I don't know, guys... can I get a bow in this game?"

"No guns? This is so lame!"

"Hey! Why didn't you invite me to your game? I've got this cool Sorcerer who summons Fiendish ants! Eh? Eh...?"

[CarpeGuitarrem]

"I don't know, guys... can I get a bow in this game?"

"No guns? This is so lame!"

"Hey! Why didn't you invite me to your game? I've got this cool Sorcerer who summons Fiendish ants! Eh? Eh...?"

Plus, Nick Fury, being the ultimate spy, also makes the ultimate DM.

[kpenguin]

Hank Pym uses pym particles to shrink down life-sized models to miniature size...

[Zonugal]

How about this?

Well, I am only really experienced in approaching the Avengers from the E6 variant, so I will offer my suggestions regarding that perspective.

The Hulk: Middle-Aged Male Illumian Half-Fiend (Transition 1) Human Paragon 1/Wizard 2/Human Paragon 2/Horizon Walker 1
Captain America: Male Lesser Aasimar (Half-Celestial Transition 1) Ranger 1/Paladin of Freedom 1/Crusader 1/Warblade 2/Pious Templar 1
Iron Man: Middle-Aged Male Human Artificer 5/Merchant Prince (Enclave Master variant) 1
Thor: Male Ghaele Savage Progression 6
Black Widow: Male Human Rogue 3/(Sneak Attack/Hit & Run) Fighter 1/Rogue1/Assassin 1
Hawk-Eye: Male Human Ranger 4/(Sneak Attack/Hit & Run) Fighter 1/Ranger 1
Nick Fury: Middle-Aged Male Rogue 3/Silver Key (Non-Dwarf variant) 2/Assassin 1

Beyond that...

Dr. Strange: Middle-Aged Male Human Wizard 5/War Weaver 1
Wolverine: Male Shifter Ranger 1/Barbarian 1/Warblade 2/Warshaper 1/Horizon Walker 1
Spider-Man: Male Lolth-Touched Human Egoist 5/Unarmed Swordsage 1
Ant-Man: Middle-Aged Male Human Psionic Artificer 5/Unarmed Swordsage 1
Iron-Fist: Male Human Unarmed Swordsage 6
Mister Fantastic: Middle-Aged Male Changeling Egoist 6
The Invisible Woman: Middle-Aged Female Human Ghost (Transition 2) Shaper 6
The Human Torch: Male Imix-Blooded Human Battle Sorcerer 6
The Thing: Male Mineral Warrior Earth Dwarf (Dungeoncrasher) Fighter 6

[Hiro Protagonest]

Avengers Characters as D&D Characters

This is coming from the guy with an Exalted reference in his sig? Shameful!

[Bovine Colonel]

Well, I am only really experienced in approaching the Avengers from the E6 variant, so I will offer my suggestions regarding that perspective.

The Hulk: Middle-Aged Male Illumian Half-Fiend (Transition 1) Human Paragon 1/Wizard 2/Human Paragon 2/Wild Mage 1
Captain America: Male Lesser Aasimar (Half-Celestial Transition 1) Ranger 1/Paladin of Freedom 1/Crusader 1/Warblade 2/Pious Templar 1
Iron Man: Middle-Aged Male Human Artificer 5/Merchant Prince (Enclave Master variant) 1
Thor: Male Ghaele Savage Progression 6
Black Widow: Male Human Rogue 3/(Sneak Attack/Hit & Run) Fighter 1/Rogue1/Assassin 1
Hawk-Eye: Male Human Ranger 4/(Sneak Attack/Hit & Run) Fighter 1/Ranger 1
Nick Fury: Middle-Aged Male Rogue 3/Silver Key (Non-Dwarf variant) 2/Assassin 1

Beyond that...

Dr. Strange: Middle-Aged Male Human Wizard 5/War Weaver 1
Wolverine: Male Shifter Ranger 1/Barbarian 1/Warblade 2/Warshaper 1/Horizon Walker 1
Spider-Man: Male Lolth-Touched Human Egoist 5/Unarmed Swordsage 1
Ant-Man: Middle-Aged Male Human Psionic Artificer 5/Unarmed Swordsage 1
Iron-Fist: Male Human Unarmed Swordsage 6
Mister Fantastic: Middle-Aged Male Changeling Egoist 6
The Invisible Woman: Middle-Aged Female Human Ghost (Transition 2) Shaper 6
The Human Torch: Male Imix-Blooded Human Battle Sorcerer 6
The Thing: Male Mineral Warrior Earth Dwarf (Dungeoncrasher) Fighter 6

I thought Cap was Lawful Good, and Black Widow was female

[Hiro Protagonest]

I thought Cap was Lawful Good, and Black Widow was female

Both true.

And no, just because America is a democracy (semi-democracy, democratic republic, whatever) doesn't mean Cap is chaotic.

[Mo_the_Hawked]

I think Cap has had a history of seemingly chaotic actions, but its his own personal moral code that he follows which is why to me he is indeed Lawful Good.

In my mind Cap is the greatest example of Good, and Lawful with the stipulation that its to his own personal code.

[Zonugal]

I thought Cap was Lawful Good, and Black Widow was female

Oh my, yeah that is certainly a mistake with Black Widow.

But I selected Paladin of Freedom as I felt its code of conduct fit Cap a lot more than your standard Paladin.

Both true.

And no, just because America is a democracy (semi-democracy, democratic republic, whatever) doesn't mean Cap is chaotic.

I didn't pick Paladin of Freedom based on such a decision.

I just compared the two classes and their code of conducts.

A paladin must be of lawful good alignment and loses all class abilities if she ever willingly commits an evil act.

Additionally, a paladin’s code requires that she respect legitimate authority, act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth), help those in need (provided they do not use the help for evil or chaotic ends), and punish those who harm or threaten innocents.

A paladin of freedom must be of chaotic good alignment and loses all class abilities if he ever willingly commits an evil act. Additionally, a paladin of freedom's code requires that he respect individual liberty, help those in need (provided they do not use the help for lawful or evil ends), and punish those who threaten or curtail personal liberty.

I think the Paladin of Freedom's code works a lot better for Cap (with the exception of the "help those in need (provided they do not use the help for lawful or evil ends)" line in it). In addition I like the Paladin of Freedom's associates description:

While he may adventure with characters of any good or neutral alignment, a paladin of freedom will never knowingly associate with evil characters (except on some sort of undercover mission), nor will he continue an association with someone who consistently offends his moral code. A paladin of freedom may accept only henchmen, followers, or cohorts who are chaotic good.

I think this only helps Cap more.

I mean I can understand the arguement for Cap being Lawful Good (he's sort of the moral paragon in Marvel) but if we set-up Lawful Good & Chaotic next to each other:

A lawful good character acts as a good person is expected or required to act. She combines a commitment to oppose evil with the discipline to fight relentlessly. She tells the truth, keeps her word, helps those in need, and speaks out against injustice. A lawful good character hates to see the guilty go unpunished.

A chaotic good character acts as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He makes his own way, but he’s kind and benevolent. He believes in goodness and right but has little use for laws and regulations. He hates it when people try to intimidate others and tell them what to do. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society.

And than look at Cap's past of consistently going against the laws & government of the United States, I don't know...

[Infernally Clay]

How would you make Mjolnir? A Returning Distance Thundering Seeking Shocking Burst Light Hammer +4 with unlimited uses of the Lightning Bolt spell (CL 10th) and the ability to knock enemies prone on a successful hit?

[Dark Elf Bard]

Hulk is a brawling Fighter with spiked gauntlets.

[Timeless Error]

"I don't see why we have to do this stupid point-buy system. I mean clearly my Intelligence and Charisma are well above 20. Wisdom is maaaybe 18. Constitution: I survived shrapnel to the heart, so that's got to be something. Strength: with or without the suit?"

"Verilly I shall play a Lawful Good Paladin of Odin, and woe be to anyone who angers me and mine magic hammer! What? What do you mean I don't begin with a magic hammer?!"

"HULK INT SCORE NOT 6! HULK SMART! HULK HAVE SCIENCE DEGREE PAPER SAY SO!"

"Eh, I prefer 1st Edition."

This is full of win. Have a batch of internet cookies.

(Captain America as a grognard, especially, is a stroke of brilliance.)

[Tanuki Tales]

Said this in the Thanos thread over in the roleplaying forum:

Once you get to Mid-Herald tier or higher, you can't effectively stat comic book characters, they're simply too powerful in certain regards and not in others.

Thor for example can conjure winds that literally can rip planets apart and his physical strength can bust planets into bite sized pieces. And that's before any of his other exotic powers and before you factor in if he has the Odin-Force or not.

Now, you can stat up the Streel Level, low Meta guys like Spider-man or Captain America or Batman or even the weaker Hulks, but the best thing to do is to aim for making character inspired builds and not attempted direct translations.

Like how do you stat up The Hulk punching through a Time Storm with brute strength alone (an old feat, but the point stands)?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Captain America: Aasimar Fighter 5/Stalwart Defender 4.

Iron Man: Human Artificer 8/Fighter 2.

Hulk: Human Barbarian 10?

Black Widow: Human Ninja 10.

Hawkeye: Human Fighter 10 (with archer build).

Thor: Aasimar Paladin 7/Fighter 2 (with hammer feats).

[Lateral]

Like how do you stat up The Hulk punching through a Time Storm with brute strength alone (an old feat, but the point stands)?

Iron Heart Surge and one hell of a refluffing.