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2012-02-01, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
A fellow player of mine is interested in the following: Having his Jedi PC build a lightsaber that has two crystals instead of one; one crystal is of a lethal type, and the other crystal being of the type that does stun damage only (such as in training lightsabers.)
He's going to be using the long handled lightsaber, so that answers the question of having physical space for the extra crystal. He wants to have a button that will let him switch the blade from one crystal to the other. The reason for the design is to have a weapon that allows him to strike without killing. I couldn't find any rules that allow or disallow this. Any help or comments?
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2012-02-01, 04:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
It'd be easier logistics+brain-wise if he just had a double saber with mismatched crystals, but only ever fought with one end active at a time. Unless that's what you mean by 'long-handled saber'.
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2012-02-01, 04:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
No, I mean this:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Long-handle_lightsaber
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2012-02-01, 05:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
Not 100% familiar with SWSE (I only ever played SWd20, but I've read the SWSE rules before).
The way I see it, the only issue here is whether you want to allow it. Are there any rules regarding non-lethal damage that the player might exploit?
In melee - just like you're fighting with the lightsabre's blade against an enemy - you already have the option to deal non-lethal damage: you can smack someone with your fist or some other non-lethal attack in place of a lightsabre attack. No big deal.
This jedi character is effectively just carrying two lightsabres in one object - again, not really a big deal.
I'd say it will need an action of some sort to switch between the two style of blade - a swift action, at least (the standard), but I'd prefer it to be a move action. It takes more time in the movies for a lightsabre blade to extinguish than it does to ignite, and you need to do both.
In terms of SW fluff? Why not! It's quite sensible, and makes good sense for a guardian of peace and order to have an elegant non-lethal weapon. Let's face it, there are plenty sillier things in SW canon.Last edited by Altair_the_Vexed; 2012-02-01 at 05:12 PM.
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2012-02-01, 05:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
I'm not the GM. I'm a fellow player that has more time to help research.
The game rules don't really incorporate being able to just do stun damage whenever you want to. You need a weapon that can do stun damage (blaster set to stun, lightsaber with a nonlethal crystal, taser, etc.) Punching someone without having Martial Arts grants your target an immediate attack of opportunity, and so on.
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2012-02-01, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
There is a lightsaber type specifically for this sort of thing.
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2012-02-01, 05:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
By the rules, probably not (there's a feat out there, however, that makes any killing blows you would deal leave the enemy alive). I don't see why a GM wouldn't make such an exception, however, as it's not broken at all (stun damage is really weak unless focused on) and there's similar sabers in the EU canon (Corran Horn's first lightsaber, for instance, had 2 crystals, one made the blade longer). Probably worth either figuring out what druid91 is referring to (I don't know off the top of my head and am AFB) or just asking the GM.
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2012-02-01, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-02-01, 05:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
Training Lightsabers do this, although they're just lightsabers made with bondar crystals (page 56 of Jedi Academy Training Manual).
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2012-02-01, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
Right. The question is, wanting to make a lightsaber that has a training saber crystal and an X crystal, and being able to switch between the two.
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2012-02-01, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
I'd allow it except for the fact that the idea of a harmless lightsaber causes me indescribable rage.
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2012-02-01, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-02-01, 06:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
Sorry I got caught up in cooking and couldn't finish my post...
The Saber in question is the Dual Phase Saber on page 51 of the Jedi Academy Training manual.
It allows for two different crystals to be used, or for one crystal to have an extended setting where the blade is longer.
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2012-02-01, 06:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
Yes, it is completely RAW and RAI legal to do so. The lightsaber druid91 is referring to (and Binks referenced) is a Dual-Phase lightsaber, specifically a variant that allows two different settings (swift to change). It is found (along with the variant) on page 51 of the JATM.
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2012-02-01, 08:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
Thank you, perfect! So, sounds like he needs to make a dual phase, long handled saber. :)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
If generic mass-produced blasters can be set to stun, there's no reason you can't make a custom lightsaber that can be used the same way.
I'd think an easier solution would be just to craft and carry two lightsabers, but hey, efficiency.Spoiler
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2012-02-02, 10:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-02-11, 01:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
I think "Fight or don't fight; there is no stun" would be more appropriate. In my opinion, having a lightsaber that can be set to stun would only encourage a jedi to turn to combat as a solution more readily instead of saving it as a last resort. It would also encourage them to be lazy and sloppy in using the lightsaber because they don't have to worry about how they hit someone. If you want to disarm someone (either hitting their weapon or literally taking their arm off) instead of killing them, then you need to be very careful and focused when using a real lightsaber and you won't whip out your weapon casually. Remember the way Ben Kenobi tried to talk the cantina thugs down before he cut off that guys arm? With a stunsaber, there is no need for attempting a peaceful resolution first or even for aiming for the arm instead of the torso. You just can just swing indiscriminately.
Also, from a roleplaying point of view, it's really boring. The jedi never has to worry about whether using force (of arms) is justified. If there's a grey area, they can just say "I don't need to worry about that! Set for stun!" and skip the drama and tension of choosing whether or not to draw their blade.
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2012-02-11, 01:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
Stun weapons "have a better than fifty percent chance of sparking a miscarriage" in the Zahn books. It also has Leia checking that a stun weapon "hasn't played any of its rare but potentially lethal tricks on the Wookiee's nervous system" where it was Chewie being stunned by a Noghri.
So they aren't completely consequence-less.
There's plenty of ways in which "nonlethal violence" might still be "excessively aggressive"- diplomatic situations that can be ruined, and so forth.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2012-02-11, 01:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-02-11, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Stun is also quite painful:
The stun-bolt caught Corran square in the middle of his chest. It did to his nervous system what an ion-bolt did to a machine. In one instant every nerve in Corran's body fired, instantly wracking him with pain, burning him up, shaking, crushing, and freezing him. All of his muscles contracted, bowing his back, grinding his teeth, and kicking him up into the air with a little hop. His limp body's impact on the ground probably hurt, but his nervous system couldn't route reports to his brain properly, so he really didn't know how he felt. [ "X-Wing: The Krytos Trap" p.186 ]Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2012-02-12, 05:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-02-12, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
The fact that they're training four-year-olds with weapons of any kind, lethal or not, is horrific in its implications.
But hey, you know, it's fine - they have a stun setting, so you can have these children practice swordsmanship in this crowded little area, each kid less than two feet from the adjacent children.Last edited by TheCountAlucard; 2012-02-12 at 06:11 PM.
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2012-02-17, 05:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-02-17, 07:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: SWSE: Lightsaber with two crystals?
If the GM has problems with the Dual-Phase sidebar, or won't let the player incorporate Dual-Phase with a long-shafted lightsaber, for whatever reason, you can still accomplish the same thing using the item upgrades system in Scum and Villainy; just Dual Gear a standard and a training lightsaber together; it even covers the only-being-able-to-use-one-at-once facet. Might even be cheaper.
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