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2010-07-03, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
Bah, Green Star Adept. It looks like we have enough judges already, so I'll compete this go around. No promises though, I've never liked this PrC very much.
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2010-07-03, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
OK, so I'll use that. 10 CLs total is fine, I just like arguing as a way to vent
Makes me wonder what benefits I actually get from the class, but that's ok. I suppose I can do those two, though they're a bit limited.
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2010-07-03, 02:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
I really hate the +4 BAB requirement. My perfect build is still off by +1
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2010-07-03, 04:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
I did catch that before I posted my response, and since text>all except errata, I made the choice that I did, with it being RAW and all.
Dragon Compendium springs to mind, as well as the more broken things in Savage Species. I also wouldn't blame them for marking down mixing campaign settings i.e. FR and Eberron material in the same build.Quotebox
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2010-07-03, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
I'll be a contestant on this one. I've got two different ideas for this build, both entirely legal, both rather interesting and useful. One is slightly more complicated than the other, but judging the previous competition showed me something about 1/2 casting progression classes that is... interesting.
also interesting to note, if you don't wish to become a construct, loose all your Con score, and all associated issues with the final level, there is a simple solution: Starmetal Dependency. You simply decline to undergo the final ritual, and you don't get the special abilities of the final level, although you still get BAB/Saves/HP/etc...
However, what this will do to both your elegance and Use of Secret Ingredient scores is on your head.Last edited by ShneekeyTheLost; 2010-07-03 at 06:31 PM.
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2010-07-04, 05:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
Gah. I keep looking at builds and wondering why someone wouldn't roll up a Warforged to do at least 3/4 of what they picked a GSA for...
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2010-07-04, 05:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Why is it that I keep getting cool ideas that won't work mechanically? Renegade Mastermaker will not work with GSA, certainly not without becoming the focus of the build!
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2010-07-04, 06:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-04, 06:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
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2010-07-04, 06:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-04, 07:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
I'm back as a competitor having missed the last Iron Chef being busy with exams.
Will be interesting considering I like to play beat-sticks or gishes, so this could be down my alley... Though I do agree, is a terrible class. Ah well, got some possibly ideas up my sleeve which might work...Still here, just a little busy to social post
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2010-07-04, 09:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
Just got the first submission in. I honestly expected another couple of days before that happened.
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2010-07-04, 10:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
All your fault: you've announced it too much in advance (it wouldn't be such a big deal, it is just for kidding).
To all the others. Try not to ask too much and not cooperate too much. With all the chit-chat, I fear that something I considered original wouldn't be so, in the end.
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2010-07-04, 11:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-04, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
By the by, due to the nature of GSA and it's Capstone, I will NOT be marking down on Elegance/Use of GSA if you take only 9 levels. Now, if you take 10 levels and surprise me, you'll get a higher score, but I am not penalizing specifically for taking 9 levels.
Thought it was fair in this circumstance, seeing as how level 10 of GSA is just HORRIFICALLY BAD and ruins characters.
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2010-07-04, 01:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
Sounds like
torturefun. I'll try to get something up.
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2010-07-04, 01:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm of a similar mind-- I usually score the same for 9/10 and 10/10 anyways. If however, you have a strong use of the capstone (something I don't expect a strong use for) you'll probably be scored up for it.
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2010-07-04, 01:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
I'll be the first to admit this class isn't the strongest, but c'mon folks, the flavor of the thing is awesome and makes for a great story. I like the class
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2010-07-04, 01:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-04, 01:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
As far as I can tell it there's nothing against it, but the GSA capstone specifically calls out all the things you lose - like your con score - so you'd lose all the benefits of being a warforged anyway.
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2010-07-04, 03:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
I would very much like to be a contestant for this Iron Chef. It'll be my first time, so I'm totally ignorant of submission method. I already have a skeleton of the build done, so it should be complete in a couple days.
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2010-07-04, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm competing. I already have the entire build, including skills and spell list done. Just adding in my thesis on synergy and level break analysis. Yay!
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2010-07-04, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
Random topic of judging, I've been seeing this a lot in previous competitions:
Not meaning any offense to Mr. Saris at all, but it bothers me that judges count off points because someone gets reach and Improved Trip. To me, this is like a Wizard preparing Fly. Why wouldn't you use the staples of being effective? This is particularly bad because, unless you're initiating maneuvers, melee combat really doesn't have many options while mages have thousands of spells to choose from. I feel like any build with a good UMD check deserves more points off than this.
I don't really know what I'm wanting by pointing this out. Is this something we can ease up on in future competitions? Is this something that should be looked at insofar as judging criteria? Is there a good counterpoint as to why these methods should be penalized?Last edited by Pechvarry; 2010-07-04 at 05:03 PM.
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2010-07-04, 05:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
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2010-07-04, 06:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-04, 07:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
No, we shouldn't stop low-scoring that. See, I've nothing against the originals, the basics, the old standbys. To use the cooking analogy, they're the famous basic flavors, cumin and thyme and paprika, the good old boys, the standards. This isn't about them, though.
This is about ORIGINALITY. If the best thing you can serve me is the old standbys, well, it'll taste ok, but it's not ORIGINAL. Instead of mustard, make me a dressing out of pine nuts (had this IRL, was amazing), make me a spicy and tart ketchup out of orange tomatoes, make me something fresh and NEW. Even if it's risky, well, try it! I'll score you high in originality, and hey, it might come out well.
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2010-07-04, 07:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
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2010-07-04, 08:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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IMHO, there are three useful abilities you can wring unique tricks out of. One of them is minor, and the other two are potentially incredible but unlikely to fly, since they rely on specific readings, and/or are well known cheese, and thus unoriginal.
AHA. Found a good one Makes it all worthwhile. Aaaand fails. Curse you, balance!Last edited by Arbitrarity; 2010-07-04 at 08:40 PM.
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2010-07-04, 08:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VII
My entry is submitted. I wonder if anyone else came up with the same devious synergy trick I came up with? In the immortal words of every TV, movie, and comic book BBEG ever...Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!
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2010-07-04, 08:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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