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Thread: I need something broken
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2011-07-10, 12:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Kalaska'Agathas; 2011-07-10 at 12:37 AM.
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2011-07-10, 12:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-10, 12:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ok you caught me on the Red Wizard, I totally forgot about them
Diviner though... (I think a wizard specializing in divination is called a wizard specializing in divination )Last edited by Delcor; 2011-07-10 at 12:51 AM.
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2011-07-10, 12:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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If you mean a wizard-with-special-divination-features, that would be out of Core. Just a Wizard specialized in Divination, tho? Core as all heck, just like the Evoker, Transmuter, Illusionist, Conjurer, etc.. not different classes, just the traditional names for Wizard specialists. I assume it was chosen because it only has to sacrifice one spell school, so you don't have to cut into the really useful schools when you blow up another one for Red Wizard (although I'd probably just choose Generalist in that case. Divination, at least in Core stuff, doesn't really have enough spells to justify specializing.)
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2011-07-10, 12:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ah I thought diviner was a separate class, I only own core stuff you see and had been led to believe that was the case. I knew about specialist wizards, just misunderstood. So I guess those are all core, I guess its just up to the OP now.
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2011-07-10, 01:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, you could go Conjurer and drop Enchantment, Evocation, and one more of your choice (perhaps Necromancy?) if you really wanted to. But yes, Divination is chosen because dropping three schools is difficult (though not impossible, see Focused Specialists, Incantatrices, Changeling Transmuter/Illusionists, etc.) especially in Core.
But yes, to be clear, by Diviner I meant a Wizard specializing in Divination.No levelled malice
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2011-07-10, 01:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-10, 01:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh, right, for Tattoo Focus. I always forget about that bit. Still, I think you'd benefit more with a school that is an actual useful specialization.. and Red Wizard explicitly allows you to continue using the spells you knew before you banned the extra school, so just pick one of the schools that has good low-level stuff (Enchantment, for example, has a reputation for being very powerful early on with things like Sleep and Deep Slumber and then losing steam as Immune to Mind-Affecting and Protection From Alignment effects become more common. As well as a lot of the high level Enchantments just being kind of underwhelming.. I don't think anybody loses sleep over giving up Antipathy.)
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2011-07-10, 08:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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See, this must be sarcasm. I can tell because there's no way you're being serious.
Free GATE. Seriously. That is absurdly overpowered. Being a Truenamer will ruin the game for everyone. In fact, just to make it even more game breaking, you should throw a one level dip of Fighter into it.
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2011-07-10, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-10, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Then if you were a DM you wouldn't make your only restriction that of "core", at least as core is usually defined. So you aren't the DM in question, as far as we are aware.
If nothing prevents you from selecting an atypical creature at 2nd or higher level, why not just select a paragon pseudonatural wolf or whatever and be done with it? What part of your interpretation makes that an invalid choice?Lord Raziere herd I like Blasphemy, so Urpriest Exalted as a Malefactor
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2011-07-10, 09:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-10, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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It seems to me people were responding to the first, not the second part of his post. I don't see anyone giving any advice applicable for actually ruining fun in his playgroup (tip: character builds are incapable of such, to actually accomplish that you'd have to go beyond the game)
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2011-07-10, 09:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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xD
Don't get me wrong, Eldariel is at least somewhat on the right track. He's offering a build (I use the term loosely) that can go anywhere between "vastly overpowered" to "just competent enough." At least that suggestion gives us the reason to doubt we're creating a monstrosity. Meanwhile, others are suggesting Planar Shepard.
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If you don't think it's possible to ruin fun in a gaming group, having the intent to do so, I should defer to your experience. Grudgingly. I figured the only thing the OP was missing was the metagame know-how to actually affect the experience of his fellow players, and that this thread was devoted to giving him that.Last edited by HappyBlanket; 2011-07-10 at 09:48 AM.
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2011-07-10, 09:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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To be fair, we're just offering good builds. Its up to him how he uses it. We're kinda like a sketch gun shop, I suppose. We could just be telling him exactly how to ruin fun in a session. We could just have him play a alcoholic Kender and steal from the rest of the party, sell of all the goods and blow it on booze. We could also suggest a myriad of ways he can just slow down the game, like having him craft a ton of items in character using in-game rolls.
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2011-07-10, 09:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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If I managed a gun shop, and someone came in and said "I'm emotionally frustrated and want to shoot people," I wouldn't say "have a Semiauto Druid with a Natural Spell magazine and a Wildshape barrel. Here's a handbook."
I mean, I admire that people are helpful (that's more than I say for myself so far), but I can't vouch for what the OP wants to do.Last edited by HappyBlanket; 2011-07-10 at 10:00 AM.
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I have a question for you Mihiale: what is the rest of your party? We could probably give you a powerful build that would be in line with the rest of your group, if we knew their composition - that way you could have fun, but so could the rest of your group. Also, what do you mean by a "core class build" - this would fall under the larger question of what sources are available? All this information would be useful. Further useful information would include what sort of character you want to play - an Arcane caster who controls reality, a Divine caster who channels his righteous fury in combat, something else entirely? With this knowledge we could probably build you a character that would be both awesome to play and would fit with your group.
Last edited by Kalaska'Agathas; 2011-07-10 at 12:05 PM.
No levelled malice
Infects one comma in the course I hold;
But flies an eagle flight, bold, and forth on,
Leaving no track behind.
Andrew Eldritch Avatar by Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins
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2011-07-10, 12:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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So am I the only one who isn't taking the OP completely seriously here?
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2011-07-10, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think we have a choice in the matter. If this were a joke thread the OP would have either made it funnier or at least kept up with it and continued playing the role. The only other option seems to be that the OP is trolling, but IIRC (not speaking authoritatively on this by any means) forum rules stipulate that you can't accuse someone of trolling. Since not taking this guy seriously would be implicitly accusing him of trolling, I choose instead to take him seriously. This is clearly someone who is angry with his friends and wants to "show them who's boss", and I don't really have a problem with helping that out barring any additional information.
Lord Raziere herd I like Blasphemy, so Urpriest Exalted as a Malefactor
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2011-07-10, 12:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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You're right although maybe that's a result of the DM not paying enough attention. If the rest of the party consists out of power-gamers he shouldn't allow any unoptimized builds. At least he should sit down and talk it over with the player (do you really want to go rogue 3 / bard 3?). Being an all-time useless member of a powerful group can be frustrating as the DM would scale the encounters to the party average and not to the weakest member.
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