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2011-03-02, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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What Level is Miko?
so what level is Miko anyway?
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we know redcloak is about 17th level and Miko has fewer hit dice than him because when they were both at ground zero of the gate implosion (explosion? rupture? whatever). redcloak survived but was badly injured and Miko was killed.
but the question is just how many hit dice higher is he?The Lords of Uncloaked Steel
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2011-03-02, 10:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What Level is Miko?
Class and Level Geekery puts her at 14-16 based on number of attacks per round.
Btw, it wasn't the explosion that almost killed Redcloak, it was Soon's ghost. In fact, 463 shows Xykon and Redcloak flying away as the explosion happens.
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2011-03-02, 12:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What Level is Miko?
Yeah, the fact that Redcloak wasn't in the throne room when it exploded, so his survival tells us nothing about his level relative to Miko's.
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2011-03-02, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-03-02, 01:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-03-02, 10:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What Level is Miko?
Miko states Hinjo is the second highest level Paladin. Hinjo also states that Lien and O-Chul have gained a few levels, and implies they could be higher level than him. So unless Miko is Better than everyone else by a mile, she cannot be incredibly high level.
Well we know she has less than 14 Paladin Levels for one. She never casts Holy Sword, which even Miko would be smart enough to use if avialable. She has Evasion, so at least 2 Monk levels. So saying she's level 14-16 wouldn't be far off.
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2011-03-02, 11:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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"None of us likes to be hated, none of us likes to be shunned. A natural result of these conditions is, that we consciously or unconsciously pay more attention to tuning our opinions to our neighbor’s pitch and preserving his approval than we do to examining the opinions searchingly and seeing to it that they are right and sound." - Mark Twain
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2011-03-02, 11:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Personally, I would think a lack of wisdom on Miko's part would of been made as a joke that she, of course, wouldn't of understood and would simly state the clear facts that make it hilarious to everyone else. Though, I admit this has no basis. It just seem to be a trend that characters with low stats have them not only overblown in there ineffectivness but other characters and sometimes the character themselves breaks the fourth wall to state that X stat is low in some humourous way.
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2011-03-03, 12:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-03-03, 02:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not sure I follow the logic, but even if we go with your conclusion, what's to say that Miko WASN'T a much higher level than everyone else? Don't forget, she utterly trounced Hinjo even after she'd lost her Paladin powers *and* been injured in the fight with Roy, and that was in a straight-up sword fight where her Monk abilities didn't come into play--that suggests she must have been a good few levels higher than him at that point, and therefore even MORE levels ahead of everyone else.
(One could possibly argue that O-Chul was actually higher level than Hinjo on the grounds that most of his levels are in Fighter, so in terms of Paladin powers he would be a long way beneath Miko's attention...no idea if there's any truth to that, though).Last edited by factotum; 2011-03-03 at 02:53 AM.
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2011-03-03, 01:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-03-03, 03:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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"None of us likes to be hated, none of us likes to be shunned. A natural result of these conditions is, that we consciously or unconsciously pay more attention to tuning our opinions to our neighbor’s pitch and preserving his approval than we do to examining the opinions searchingly and seeing to it that they are right and sound." - Mark Twain
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2011-03-04, 07:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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This proves nothing about Miko's Wisdom score. It is heavily implied that Belkar has a wisdom penalty. I'm pretty sure its speciffically stated but I'm not sure where. And since Miko had 1 rank in Survival, all she had to do was have a wisdom score that was at least 2 points above Belkar's, which could still be a penalty or 10. Remember that Holy Sword needs at least a 14 wisdom to use. So she could have anywhere between 8-13 if we assume Belkar's wisdom is in the 6-7. Even if Belkars wisdom is 9, the range could still be 10-13. I agree that Miko would be smart enough to use Holy Sword if she could.
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2011-03-04, 08:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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"I have 4 ranks and an ability score penalty" regarding Profession (Gourmet Chef), which is WIS based.
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2011-03-04, 08:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Which creates a rules impossibility, since we know that owl's wisdom gives him a Wisdom score of at least 14, enabling him to cast cure serious wounds from a scroll, and I seriously doubt he has the requisite minimum modifier of +9 in UMD to do it otherwise.
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2011-03-04, 09:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Hiro Protagonest; 2011-03-04 at 09:11 PM.
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2011-03-05, 06:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Niether are true. The incident with the Owl's Wisdom was back before Rich was being serious. It was done purely for the rule of funny. It wasn't till later that he started to become serious and, for that matter consistent.
This stops the arguement about the scroll. And it also points out how more recent comics trump older ones. Especially those that are from the first book,.
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2011-03-05, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, I've heard it said that strip #100 was about the moment when he started planning the whole story. Started planning, mind you -- things were probably still in flux for a while after that as well, since getting everything "squared away" in a story this big is quite a project and requires some time.
And, IMO, Rule of Funny trumps RAW even now, on occasion -- leading people into very interesting and amusing arguments about things which are actually non-issues.
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2011-03-05, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-03-09, 07:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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