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Thread: Questions on the OotS religion
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2012-04-12, 09:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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We get it, you know what Hadrian's Wall is.
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2012-04-12, 09:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hadrian's Wall wasn't really designed to keep invading armies out, the general consensus is that it acted as both a marker and a way to control customs and stop smuggling. Or that it was merely a show of power. It's presence is actually superfluous in places because it's been built on top of cliff-faces.
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2012-04-12, 09:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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And elves do not have Roman names. The two names Vaarsuvius and Inkyrius aren't even possible in Latin.
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2012-04-12, 12:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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"Sealed up" doesn't mean what you think it does. It doesn't mean that the elves have somehow magically closed off the entire northern half of the continent, it's a figure of speech which means that the elves are in complete control of the northern half. They have consolidated their control over it to a degree that it is unrealistic that anyone can successfully force them to leave it. They are in complete control of it. They have it "sealed up".
...also, what is remotely Roman about the elves other than the fact that some of them appear to have vaguely faux-Latin names?Last edited by rgrekejin; 2012-04-12 at 01:09 PM.
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2012-04-15, 06:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Another question:
Why didn't the Azurite Clerics carry weapons, especially mace? Does the gods have to do with the weapon choice for clerics (Northern clerics, like Durkon and Loki Priest, carry mace while the Sourthern clerics use magic instead of katana or mace)?Badly drawn helmet avatar drawn by me.
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2012-04-15, 11:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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North front, the Rhine and Danube rivers. Roman expansion over these natural barriers (to the Elbe under Germanicus, into Transylvania under Trajan) was short-lived.
East front, the Syrian and Arabian deserts. Client states like Palmyra and Armenia blocked the gaps. Until the Romans broke them.
South front: the Sahara.
I'm presuming you mean "Germania" to mean the Roman provinces of Upper and Lower Germania, rather than the large expanse of "barbarian" territory also referred to as Germania. Also, a wall isn't a natural barrier.
Not that I have any idea what the absence or presence of natural barriers on any frontier of the Roman empire has to do with anything.
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2012-04-15, 11:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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I know it now and can we talk about OOTS religion questions.
Another question:
Why didn't the Azurite Clerics carry weapons, especially mace? Does the gods have to do with the weapon choice for clerics (Northern clerics, like Durkon and Loki Priest, carry mace while the Sourthern clerics use magic instead of katana or mace)?Badly drawn helmet avatar drawn by me.
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2012-04-16, 12:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Redcloak hasn't been seen with a weapon either. We've mainly seen the Azurite clergy casting spells or using other supernatural class features, where a weapon would just clutter the art. I don't think we need to worry about Clerics not having visible weaponry anymore than need to worry about where Elan's rapier goes when he's not holding it.
TL:DR we haven't seen certain people with weapons because they were doing something other than fighting and did not have their weapons drawn at the time.
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2012-04-16, 04:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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All clerics are proficient with the same set of weapons. All clerics can use all simple weapons (morningstar, mace, etc). Also, clerics whose deities have the War domain are proficient with whatever their deity's favored weapon is (this may be how Durkon wound up with his warhammer). However, most clerics do not have the War domain, so most of them do not use martial weapons like swords, battleaxes, or polearms. Many clerics likewise choose to rely on their spellcasting rather than their weapons, and that appears to be the case with the Azurite clerics and Redcloak. You could maybe speculate that the Northern Gods are more warlike in general, and that is why their clerics tend to carry weapons and wear heavy armor, but we really haven't seen enough to say for sure one way or another.
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2012-04-16, 05:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-16, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Shugenja do not have domain spells, but we know that Azurite clerics do. So they're probably just regular ol' clerics that don't use weapons that much.
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2012-04-16, 09:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-16, 09:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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*shrug* Maybe, but why? After all, even though Azure City has a distinct oriental flavor, they still use plain old medieval fantasy DnD classes sometimes. And even if he did homebrew a special cleric class, how would we ever know?
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2012-04-18, 01:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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What problem?
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2012-04-18, 01:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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So, Rich threw the Shugenja template into his story...except that he didn't borrow any of the crunch, and he didn't borrow any of the fluff. So, what exactly DID he do that fits your theory?
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2012-04-18, 02:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Or it could be same as comment by rgrekejin
All clerics are proficient with the same set of weapons. All clerics can use all simple weapons (morningstar, mace, etc). Also, clerics whose deities have the War domain are proficient with whatever their deity's favored weapon is (this may be how Durkon wound up with his warhammer). However, most clerics do not have the War domain, so most of them do not use martial weapons like swords, battleaxes, or polearms. Many clerics likewise choose to rely on their spellcasting rather than their weapons, and that appears to be the case with the Azurite clerics and Redcloak. You could maybe speculate that the Northern Gods are more warlike in general, and that is why their clerics tend to carry weapons and wear heavy armor, but we really haven't seen enough to say for sure one way or another.Last edited by t209; 2012-04-18 at 02:11 PM.
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2012-04-18, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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By the way... what makes you think that Shugenjas can't use weapons? The Shugenja class appears in three books (Complete Divine, Oriental Adventures, and Rokugan Campaign setting) and in every single version, the Shugenja is proficient with all the weapons that Clerics are, plus the short sword/wakizashi. So, even if they were Shugenja, there's no reason that they wouldn't be able to use weapons if they wanted to.
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2012-04-18, 02:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Where's the indication that Southern clerics are unwilling or unable to use weapons?
("The High Priest of the Twelve Gods chose to spend all his actions trading spells with Redcloak instead of using a weapon" is not a good answer.)Last edited by Kish; 2012-04-18 at 02:17 PM.
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2012-04-18, 02:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-18, 03:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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...I'm confused. What the heck would that even prove? Every class can use a handful of weapons, even the monk, who is designed to fight with his fists. The clerics of Azure City, like all other clerics, are probably proficient with weapons. They just don't use them. Maybe it is because they don't like to, or some tenet of their religion prevents them from doing so, but frankly, the most likely explanation is that, even though they're proficient with some weapons, there is a vast gulf between being proficient with a weapon and being good with one. We really don't need Word of God on this. And, as the strips in question are almost half the comic ago, we're pretty unlikely to get it, too.
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2012-04-18, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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"I'm particularly fond of our priesthood of the Benefactor, since our main duties seem to be sitting around and pretending that the Benefactor doesn't exist. When we're not stealing things, that is."
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2012-04-27, 06:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Perhaps we should steer this thread back in the direction of the original subject, isntead of getting deep into
"yeh but they have this pestige class so they use this thing because of that thing because they have this class from where they come from because it's a prestige class which uses this thing".
Regarding the southern gods, I think that, even though Rat is evil, the Paladins are slightly more relaxed about that and continue to worship the pantheon as a whole, because there is very little internal conflict amongst the southern gods, and they all work for the same thing.
I might be wrong, but perhaps Rat's evil alignment is simply because of some opinions he has that the other southern gods don't share. So, he was more inclined to help the Dark One when he came to godhood, but he's not a horrible terrible evil god with his own agenda like the Dark One or Tiamat.
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2012-04-28, 04:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ill disagree, the gods seem chinese zodiac based as opposed to amatsuwhatever/hachiman Japanese based standard pantheon. Soon and mijung seem to have names more similar to korean then japanese, but there is a good bit of japanese name stuff. The weapons and classes have a japanese feel because of the samurai/ninja/katanas. The new year celebration seemed more chinese with the dragon thing, but maybe its common in Japan too. My guess is that the Azurite culture is a composite east asian culture.
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2012-04-28, 08:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Azurites ARE a generic East Asian culture, hence the mixing of Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese and Chinese names. "Mijung" is a genuine Korean women's name, though an old-fashioned one. That said, most of the polearms they used seem to have been quite Western.
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2012-05-04, 01:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-05-04, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Now, let's just wait for word of rich about azurite clerics having no clubs and short sword.Last edited by t209; 2012-05-06 at 09:21 AM.
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