LGBTAitP #28: Come Taste the Rainbow!

[noparlpf]

I am a gamble-y pony °___°
See, now I'm even more confused. If you're a pony, how were you going to hand draw something for me if I won?

Um, try this. Might answer that.

Edit: Now I'm awake I realise this counts as a SPOILER. So, SPOILER ALERT. Recent MLP episode.

[SiuiS]

I really hope I'm not coming off like I'm upset or offended. There's no need to apologize for anything.

Nah, that was a 'sorry for the misunderstanding', a softer apology. The apologetic 'bless you' without really knowin who sneezed, I suppose.

See, now I'm even more confused. If you're a pony, how were you going to hand draw something for me if I won?

My immediate response was a joke but I promised someone a lon while back I wouldn't bring stuff like that up in This thread even flippantly.

Um, try this. Might answer that.

oh,that's a much better answer!

Yeah, I'd just put my thumb in my mouth and blow until fingers popped out!

... waaaaaaaiiiitaminnit...

[DJ Yung Crunk]

Hey guys, would it be totally weird of me to take out the son of an ex? I'll probably just do it anyway regardless of the response but I want to get a consensus on this so I know whether or not to grandstand and feel persecuted.

[Serpentine]

Erm...
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What are all the ages involved?

[DJ Yung Crunk]

Erm...
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What are all the ages involved?

I'm going to be vague to protect the innocent. Me and the son are about the same age (he may be one or two years my junior) and my ex is about twice my age.

[Serpentine]

Hm. I'd say that makes it far less dodgy than it could be. A lot depends on the specifics of your respective relationships, and I'd say the biggest concern is drama.

[Lentrax]

Is it wrong that I first read that as 'taking care of' the son?

Now that my murderous ideas are cleared up, I would say drama is probably the biggest concern.

[DJ Yung Crunk]

Hm. I'd say that makes it far less dodgy than it could be. A lot depends on the specifics of your respective relationships, and I'd say the biggest concern is drama.

Age is never the issue. I dated a guy twice my age. Age is never the issue with me. The whole "son" bit was what I wanted to emphasize.

[Serpentine]

If you were 40, your ex was 35, and their son was 18, that would be "totally weird". Age most certainly can be the issue, especially when you're asking for people's opinions on a subjective matter.

[DJ Yung Crunk]

If you were 40, your ex was 35, and their son was 18, that would be "totally weird". Age most certainly can be the issue, especially when you're asking for people's opinions on a subjective matter.

That's fair. That's more than fair.

So what's the protocol here? Just stay away from family gatherings or what? I was gonna wing it but I figure I'm this far, a second opinion can't hurt.

[Serpentine]

Like I said, it depends on a lot of details. For starters, how was and is your relationship with your ex? How and why did it end? Are you on good terms? How long did the relationship last, and how long ago did it end? What sort of relationship does the son have with them? etc etc etc...
You may like to try the Relationships thread, as well. It needs some exercise anyway.

[Astrella]

Here's a fun philosophical game about lies - do you agree with Aristotle, Kant or Bentham? Three of the really great philosophers, each with his view on lying and when it is justified.

That was pretty interesting.

Sorry, hon. Should have guessed you'd have linked it, you've usually got all the best links.

Aw, thank you. I try.

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So, a bit of odd news. Apparently student societies in Brussels aren't allowed to have crossdressing at baptisms anymore for an indeterminate period of time because a crossdressing male student got (sexually) assaulted. (the article is a bit unclear about that.) The motivation is apparently that crossdressing is 'provocative' to certain groups, which just sounds really victim blamey.

[Serpentine]

I heard recently about an ad campaign comparing homosexuality with left-handedness. I saw it on a couple of times tonight, and I think it's pretty good. It's not just homosexuality, either: it's gay, bi (iirc), trans and intersexed.

...a few mixed feelings as a sinister person, though

[Mono Vertigo]

Sorry for the second unexpected absence, stuff broke do-

So, a bit of odd news. Apparently student societies in Brussels aren't allowed to have crossdressing at baptisms anymore for an indeterminate period of time because a crossdressing male student got (sexually) assaulted. (the article is a bit unclear about that.) The motivation is apparently that crossdressing is 'provocative' to certain groups, which just sounds really victim blamey.

That makes no [REDACTED] sense.
I think I'll go back to watching pictures of cute animals instead.

[KenderWizard]

Aw, thank you. I try.

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So, a bit of odd news. Apparently student societies in Brussels aren't allowed to have crossdressing at baptisms anymore for an indeterminate period of time because a crossdressing male student got (sexually) assaulted. (the article is a bit unclear about that.) The motivation is apparently that crossdressing is 'provocative' to certain groups, which just sounds really victim blamey.

Welcome!

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... Okay, I am appalled, but first, I have several follow-up questions.
- When you say "baptism", do you mean the Catholic sacrament? Or something else?
- In either case, do student societies frequently attend baptisms? Who's getting baptised? Babies?
- Is is usual for adults to cross-dress at baptisms? Or usual for student societies to cross dress? Or what?
- Why?

[Kindablue]

I heard recently about an ad campaign comparing homosexuality with left-handedness. I saw it on a couple of times tonight, and I think it's pretty good. It's not just homosexuality, either: it's gay, bi (iirc), trans and intersexed.

...a few mixed feelings as a sinister person, though

It's funny seeing Movember is linked to that campaign; they did a much less serious version of the same idea a little while ago.

[The Succubus]

...a few mixed feelings as a sinister person, though

Is this in addition to being lefthanded?

I'd have thought bisexual folks would be ambidextrous with this logic. Not sure how it would work with transitioning folks though.

[Astrella]

Welcome!

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... Okay, I am appalled, but first, I have several follow-up questions.
- When you say "baptism", do you mean the Catholic sacrament? Or something else?
- In either case, do student societies frequently attend baptisms? Who's getting baptised? Babies?
- Is is usual for adults to cross-dress at baptisms? Or usual for student societies to cross dress? Or what?
- Why?

Oh, I guess it's not really a universal thing. It's basically an entry ritual into a student society; it's not mandatory but very popular. Usually consists of humiliating the new entrants in various ways.

[Serpentine]

Like hazing of whatever it is?

[Astrella]

Like hazing of whatever it is?

I think so, yes.

[Lentrax]

I think so, yes.

Ahh, the initiation ritual. Time honored traditions of humiliation pain and suffering.

Of varying degrees depending on the organization.

[noparlpf]

So, a bit of odd news. Apparently student societies in Brussels aren't allowed to have crossdressing at baptisms anymore for an indeterminate period of time because a crossdressing male student got (sexually) assaulted. (the article is a bit unclear about that.) The motivation is apparently that crossdressing is 'provocative' to certain groups, which just sounds really victim blamey.

So to get this straight first: "baptism" as in "student society initiation", not as in "some-kinds-of-Christian dip-baby-in-water-ceremony"? I don't think I've ever heard that called that before.
Also that's really backwards. Victim blaming for sure. Basically like saying, "People with faces no longer allowed on campus because somebody got punched in the face."

[The Succubus]

It's derived from "baptism of fire" I suspect or possibly the other way around. A rather pointless ceremony for people that get a kick out of humiliating others. I recall an incident from my past involving a santa outfit and.....no, that's not a story I plan to share.

I much prefer our own hazing/baptism ceremony with hot drinks, biscuits and vary levels of physical embraces according to taste. It creates a much more positive atmosphere.

[Mono Vertigo]

Okay, feeling better after a bunch of kittens and duckies. I can now be coherent again.
With that decision, we're stranding dangerously close to the classic "she shouldn't have dressed up as a prostitute".
Heck, for all we know, the guy was wearing conservative feminine clothes, too! In that case, just wearing females clothes is provocative.
Well, whoa. I hope the cut of my clothes isn't enough for them to be classified as feminine, as they otherwise sure aren't. Perhaps I'll have to steal my BF's wardrobe, just in case.

Geez, that's the second time in two days I hear about crap from Brussels. Saturday, I learnt the leader of one of the big extremist anti-gay marriage group over here in France was from there. His other affiliations lead me to think he's massively out of touch with reality, but he's too charismatic to be harmless.

[golentan]

I have to go with the old standby: It's the would be attacker's responsibility not to assault people. Also, if you say "The victim was doing x, so x is banned," in a circumstance like this arguably their attacker won. Aaagh, why do people have to be so bad/stupid/evil so much of the time.

[noparlpf]

It's derived from "baptism of fire" I suspect or possibly the other way around. A rather pointless ceremony for people that get a kick out of humiliating others. I recall an incident from my past involving a santa outfit and.....no, that's not a story I plan to share.

I much prefer our own hazing/baptism ceremony with hot drinks, biscuits and vary levels of physical embraces according to taste. It creates a much more positive atmosphere.

Apparently there's a form of hazing involving walking the newbies up to a roof/balcony, measuring out a rope to show it's a couple inches too short to reach the ground, tying a cinderblock to the other end, blindfolding the newbies, and then pretending to tie the rope to their penises ("hope it's long enough lol") and push the cinderblocks off.

I'd rather initiate newbies by having them put their names and addresses on an email list and giving them cookies. Seems much more friendly.

[Absol197]

Well, I was going to reply to a bunch of stuff, but then three pages popped up overnight, and so now I won't .

I've been feeling very bipolar recently (I'm not actually bipolar, but...you'll see what I mean). It seems like every time I do something that actually makes me feel good, I feel great while I'm doing it, but then the next couple days are spent almost-crying about how unfair it is that something that simple has to be so hard.

As an example: On Friday night, I went to my friends' game night wearing my new skinny jeans, and after we had broken up for the night, I did some limited modeling with some of my other new purchases for one of my girl friends. It was a lot of fun, and I've rarely been that happy about being me.

However, once we had said our good nights and I was back in my car ready to drive home...well, I'm sure you get the idea. I just started coming out of that haze this morning on my way to work . Having every couple hours of happiness followed by days of melancholy is no fun at all.

Also, as an aside, I hate my stupid broad shoulders. They're stupidly broad.

...Hmm...Well, on the brighter side, I talked to my sister on Saturday night, and (as predicted), she was perfectly fine . So there's that!


~Phoenix~

[SiuiS]

Hey guys, would it be totally weird of me to take out the son of an ex? I'll probably just do it anyway regardless of the response but I want to get a consensus on this so I know whether or not to grandstand and feel persecuted.

Personally, I think it's weird only in that hopping from family member to family member is weird. But, hay, the heart wants what the heart wants. So be aware it's going to look bad to outsiders (and or be an interesting story a couple years down the road) but otherwise, go for it.

So, a bit of odd news. Apparently student societies in Brussels aren't allowed to have crossdressing at baptisms anymore for an indeterminate period of time because a crossdressing male student got (sexually) assaulted. (the article is a bit unclear about that.) The motivation is apparently that crossdressing is 'provocative' to certain groups, which just sounds really victim blamey.

Lots of comments initially, none safe for forum.

I heard recently about an ad campaign comparing homosexuality with left-handedness. I saw it on a couple of times tonight, and I think it's pretty good. It's not just homosexuality, either: it's gay, bi (iirc), trans and intersexed.

...a few mixed feelings as a sinister person, though

Hmm. Could you find a key word or two? I dot really watch TV but I'd like to see it.

Also, Serpentine is a warlock!

Is this in addition to being lefthanded?

Nuts! That's much better than mine. I suppose I should stop editing in Aldrich blasts to all her avatars?

I'd have thought bisexual folks would be ambidextrous with this logic. Not sure how it would work with transitioning folks though.

There are like, three jokes about cross-dominance I could make here but I can't decide which one to use

It's derived from "baptism of fire" I suspect or possibly the other way around. A rather pointless ceremony for people that get a kick out of humiliating others. I recall an incident from my past involving a santa outfit and.....no, that's not a story I plan to share.

I much prefer our own hazing/baptism ceremony with hot drinks, biscuits and vary levels of physical embraces according to taste. It creates a much more positive atmosphere.

Wait, your baptism of fire didn't involve actual fire? And no pick-up truck chase either, I bet, huh?

Baptism of fire is for awesome stuff, not wankery. Your book club is surprised by a local author, and you set up dinner and give a speech about their book while being leered at by critics? That's a baptism of fire. That or like, being a rookie cop and having to storm an apartment complex taken over by a drug cartel.

I have to go with the old standby: It's the would be attacker's responsibility not to assault people. Also, if you say "The victim was doing x, so x is banned," in a circumstance like this arguably their attacker won. Aaagh, why do people have to be so bad/stupid/evil so much of the time.

actually, it makes some sense. Think about it.

A bunch of guys get together and form a club.
They decide to haze new members.
They dress new members up (doesn't matter what as), and then molest them.

These guys didn't have a spur of the moment 'wow this dude is hot in a dress' thing, it was a some level implied as part of the hazing process. The dressing up was probably just so they would feel justified first. The report sounds victim blame-y, but it could just as easily be a poorly worded "if you don't want a club to sexually assault you, don't join that club and allow them to put you in the "sexually assault me please" costume they have. On fact, it's now forbidden". If the point of making new members cross dress is hazing, then it sands to reason ye sexual assault was also hazing. And that as far as initiation goes, the dressing up and the assault are part of the same act. Prohibiting the donning of the sign removes any thin film of "they knew what they were getting into", and is (probably) not a critique of cross-dressing itself whatsoever.

I mean, it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but it's not quite the same y'know? Though I prefer the more common (or so I'm told) blanket ban on hazing as a concept.

[Lentrax]

I mean, it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but it's not quite the same y'know? Though I prefer the more common (or so I'm told) blanket ban on hazing as a concept.

So... no tieing you sown to force feed you cookies and get smothered with hugs when you get into the club?

*Mutters incoherent curses while scraping cookies off a plate*
Just kidding. You can still have some cookies, though they aren't as good as they could be if you were tied down.

[Tychris1]

I mean, it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but it's not quite the same y'know? Though I prefer the more common (or so I'm told) blanket ban on hazing as a concept.

It's more common, yes, but it hardly stops the problem. It might get rid of superficial hazings and such, but hard core hazing that is ingrained in the mantra of a club like that seemed to be? You don't get rid of that without disassembling the club, looking through it's members, and reinstating people in positions of power who are either outside the club or are known to not be hazing. And even then the second half is iffy.

It's funny seeing Movember is linked to that campaign; they did a much less serious version of the same idea a little while ago.

I thought we were not supposed to talk about the economy and such on the forums Anyway, that was surprisingly motivational.