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[3.5] The Mirror Image FAQ thread
OK, it seems like Mirror Image is one of the worst culprits of spells (especially popular, low level core spells) for causing rules confusion. I thought it might be nice to have an FAQ/Q&A thread for Mirror Image.
Below I have spoilered the “official” FAQ entries regarding our friend, Mirror Image. I have also spoilered the SRD entry for the spell itself.
Now, I’m going to add to this list as I go, but here’s some of the questions I’ve often seen asked about Mirror Image (I will add more as people come up with questions and answers):
- Q1 Can you shut your eyes (accepting a 50% miss chance) and simply ignore Mirror Image?
- A1 Definitely yes. It's right there in the spell description: An attacker must be able to see the images to be fooled. If you are invisible or an attacker shuts his or her eyes, the spell has no effect. (Being unable to see carries the same penalties as being blinded.)
- Q2 How does Magic Missile interact with Mirror Image? Do the missiles automatically target the real creature, or does every missile have a chance of striking an image?
- A2 As per the FAQ: Any spell you can aim at a creature you can aim at an image. When you use a spell that allows you to select multiple creatures as targets, such as magic missile, you can choose multiple images as targets.
- Q3 Do spells which target a creature, but not have a physical effect (Charm Person, for example) have a chance to target an image instead of the real creature?
- A3 Yes, as per the FAQ: Any spell you can aim at a creature you can aim at an image. Whether this destroys the image or not isn't quite as clear. I believe the answer would be yes, as a Charm Person spell is considered an "attack" (as per the Invisibility spell, any offensive spell is considered an attack). As per the spell: Any successful attack against an image destroys it.
- Q4 Do allies have a chance to “hit” an image with a beneficial touch spell, such as Cure Light Wounds? If they do, does this destroy the image?
- A4 It would seem obvious that if an ally seeks to touch you with a beneficial spell or other effect, he would have to try and pick you from the images as normal. What isn't so clear, is if a touch with a beneficial spell would destroy an image. the spell states: Any successful attack against an image destroys it. The real question is whether this counts as an attack or not.
- Q5 Does a fireball or other AoE spell destroy all images?
- A5 No. As per the spell: Figments seem to react normally to area spells (such as looking like they’re burned or dead after being hit by a fireball).
- Q6 How would Mirror Image stack with spells that grant concealment and a miss chance such as Blur? Would it be a case of 20% chance to miss whenever you make an attack roll against an image or only if you "pick" the real caster?
- A6 The FAQ addresses this pretty directly: The images also look just like the caster, and they share purely visual effects such as the blur or displacement spell. If the mirror image user is also using either of these effects, an attack aimed at an image has the same miss chance an attack aimed at the caster has.
- Q7 Do multiple casting of Mirror Image stack?
- A7 No, Mirror Image would follow the normal spell stacking rules, and overlap rather than stack. A second casting would extend the duration of the spell, and if the number of images rolled for the new casting was greater than the existing number, that would become the new number of images.
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Re: [3.5] The Mirror Image FAQ thread
* Q1 Can you shut your eyes (accepting a 50% miss chance) and simply ignore Mirror Image?
* A1 IMO, no. Not being able to see the targets doesn't stop them being there.
* Q2 How does Magic Missile interact with Mirror Image? Doe the missiles automatically target the real creature, or does every missile have a chance of striking an image?
* A2 I'd say it strikes the actual creature.
* Q3 Do spells which target a creature, but not have a physical effect (Charm Person, for example) have a chance to target an image instead of the real creature?
* A3 I'd say spells like Charm Person have a chance to target an image, but no effect. I'd also say this destroys the image.
* Q4 Do allies have a chance to “hit” an image with a beneficial touch spell, such as Cure Light Wounds? If they do, does this destroy the image?
* A4 IMO, yes to both.Last edited by CapnCJ; 2011-02-15 at 05:50 PM.
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Re: [3.5] The Mirror Image FAQ thread
A1 Definitely yes. It's right there in the spell description:
An attacker must be able to see the images to be fooled. If you are invisible or an attacker shuts his or her eyes, the spell has no effect. (Being unable to see carries the same penalties as being blinded.)Last edited by RebelRogue; 2011-02-15 at 06:53 PM.
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If anyone has other questions to add, or wishes to dispute any of the answers above, please feel free.
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Does a fireball or other AoE spell destroy all images?
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I would argue that Charm Person (and other non-damaging effects) can't target the (non-creature) images, regardless of what the FAQ says. This does NOT allow you to distinguish the caster from the other images.
No. For the line quoted below to work, the image would still have to be in existence.
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Re: [3.5] The Mirror Image FAQ thread
@ CapnCJ
A1 Yes, its right there in the spell description, though you still have to know which square the real target is in.
A2 With single target, or multiple target damage spells, I'd say that you have to choose which images/real one to target, so if you cast magic missle at level 7, then you targeted four images, it would destroy four of the images.
A3 Why would a charm destroy one? To me, I'd rule that it passed it's will save (or at least tell the player that).
A4 If they target an Image with a spell, they use the spell on that image, but it wouldn't destroy it.
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It would destroy any images that got caught in the blast.
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Yes. Mirror Image is primarily a physical attack defense. There's a lot of overlap with Blur, but Blur doesn't discharge and doesn't scale with caster level, but is also a lot less effective.
EDIT:The images disappear when they are destroyed. They can't "seem to react normally to area spells" if they don't exist any more.Last edited by Siosilvar; 2011-02-15 at 11:06 PM.
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*Q6.5 how would mirror image stack with spells that grant concealment and a miss chance such as Blur? Would it be a case of 20% chance to miss whenever you make an attack roll against an image or only if you "pick" the real caster?
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You can houserule it that way, but it goes against RAW and the spell's description itself.
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"Q7": do multiple casting of Mirror Image stack?
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whoops got the wrong number for my question above.
A7 I would say it followed the standard rules for spell stacking; if you cast it again only the highest value applies so in this case whichever casting produced the most images. I wouldn't let a 6th level wizard cast it 3 times for 3d4+6 imagesLast edited by supermonkeyjoe; 2011-02-16 at 06:18 AM.
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Yeah, these are just some of the many issues that come with Mirror Image - it's a spell with it's own unique set of ambiguous rules and issues. The reason it comes up so often, is that it is such a great, low level defensive spell.
For the Charm Person issue, there are (at least) two stances you could take:
1. Each image can be targeted exactly as if it were a creature. This is the approach the FAQ takes, but that leads to it's own set of problems. The images are destroyed by "any successful attack". What exactly constitutes an attack? It it only something that causes hit point damage? IMHO, allowing the images to soak up targeted spells like Charm Person but not be destroyed would be pretty powerful for a second level spell...
2. Individually targeted non-damaging spells (or other effects) automatically "hit" the real creature.
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How do Mirror Images react to the colateral damage of splash weapons (such as alchemist's fire)? From Special Attacks, Thrown Splash Weapons, "A hit deals direct hit damage to the target, and splash damage to all creatures within 5 feet of the target. "
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# A3 Yes, as per the FAQ: Any spell you can aim at a creature you can aim at an image. Whether this destroys the image or not isn't quite as clear. I believe the answer would be yes, as a Charm Person spell is considered an "attack" (as per the Invisibility spell, any offensive spell is considered an attack). As per the spell: Any successful attack against an image destroys it.
# Q4 Do allies have a chance to “hit” an image with a beneficial touch spell, such as Cure Light Wounds? If they do, does this destroy the image?
# A4 It would seem obvious that if an ally seeks to touch you with a beneficial spell or other effect, he would have to try and pick you from the images as normal. What isn't so clear, is if a touch with a beneficial spell would destroy an image. the spell states: Any successful attack against an image destroys it. The real question is whether this counts as an attack or not.
How do Mirror Images react to the colateral damage of splash weapons (such as alchemist's fire)? From Special Attacks, Thrown Splash Weapons, "A hit deals direct hit damage to the target, and splash damage to all creatures within 5 feet of the target. "
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how does the images interact with glitterdust and faerie fire?
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Q8: Is there a good alternative to Mirror Image that basically captures the fluff, but with comprehensible crunch? I'm open to homebrew or the ban hammer on this issue. It's a fun spell that players have toyed with from time to time, but the specifics of using it are ridiculous.
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Re: [3.5] The Mirror Image FAQ thread
Glitterdust would have a chance to blind the caster as normal, and all of the images would appear to be covered in the dust (since the images share purely visible effects, and appear to react normally to area spells).
Faerie Fire is more interesting, because of this line:
Outlined creatures do not benefit from the concealment normally provided by darkness (though a 2nd-level or higher magical darkness effect functions normally), blur, displacement, invisibility, or similar effects
However, I think the alternative interpretation is reasonable enough to be worth noting -- if your DM uses it, then Faerie Fire would only outline the real image, negating the benefit of Mirror Image.Last edited by lesser_minion; 2011-02-16 at 11:11 AM.
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What does beat mirror image? besides touchsight and true seeing, that is.
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Re: [3.5] The Mirror Image FAQ thread
If the weapon ends up targeting an image, then that image is destroyed (assuming a hit), the caster takes splash damage, and the surviving images appear to take splash damage.
If the weapon ends up targeting the real caster, then the caster takes direct hit damage. The images would appear to take damage from the attack, and they would look exactly the same as the caster as a result of it (so if the caster ends up on fire, all of the images would appear to be on fire, for example).
There are a number of offensive spells, including Horrid Wilting, which instead of targeting an area, target any number of individuals who must be within a given distance of each other. A single casting of such a spell would be able to pop every image and hit the caster.
Magic Missile is the lowest-level example of such a spell, although it may not work if there are too many images.
Tremorsense and Blindsense/Blindsight would also be able to pick out the true caster.Last edited by lesser_minion; 2011-02-16 at 01:12 PM.
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I've always ruled that AoEs that do physical damage (eg Ice Storm) take out Images, whereas energy AoEs (eg Fireball) don't. Is this a correct interpretation of RAW ?
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Not really, AoE's aren't supposed to take out images, which is why images can appear unconscious and not pop out (if caster is now unconscious).
A8?Treat it as Displacement, so 50% chance, but the images are number of misses due to concealment possible (each time miss due to conceal, a image pops).
So it is weaker than displacement as missing due to concealment defeats it, but still useful as good chance you won't be hit.
Drawback: magic missile no longer pops it.
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Well its this line in the description that has lead me to take this view:
The figments stay near you and disappear when struck.π = 4
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I would like to elaborate on this:
# Q1 Can you shut your eyes (accepting a 50% miss chance) and simply ignore Mirror Image?
# A1 Definitely yes. It's right there in the spell description: An attacker must be able to see the images to be fooled. If you are invisible or an attacker shuts his or her eyes, the spell has no effect. (Being unable to see carries the same penalties as being blinded.)
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Yeah, that line at the end of the spell description confuses me. I understand why Mirror Image wouldn't work on an opponent who is using methods besides Sight to see (Like Tremorsense or Blindsense), and how it would have no effect if the enemy couldn't see you anyway.
But I don't get the line about "Closing their eyes". Yes, when your eyes are closed the spell has no effect, but I don't get why anybody would think it would. Besides, that would be like reacting to the enemy trying to disarm you by throwing your weapon away.
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1: Sight and sound can not be used to identify which is the target and which are the images.
2: An attacker must be able to see the images to be fooled.
Q1: Does this mean that targets with blind sight/sense are not effected be this spell?
Q2: Does this mean that you could simply close your eyes and use sound to determine which one is real?
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And if throwing the weapon away occupies them enough that you can choke them to death with your bare hands, you might well do just that. Which is the parallel: if your chances are better blind - maybe you have blindfighting feats or abilities, or can ignore miss chances in some way, or maybe there are enough images that you're better off taking the miss chance - it's the smartest move you can make.