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2017-12-07, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aspect of the Moon and Long Rests
Last I checked, the rule that skipping sleep caused exhaustion was optional in the first place.
Not that this makes it different from any other rule in actual play, since DMs can and often do ignore or change things on the fly anyway. But people on the forums seem to care about this sort of thing.
In short, Aspect is the Moon is useless only if your DM uses that optional rule and follows the apparent RAI - two big ifs.Last edited by Easy_Lee; 2017-12-07 at 05:48 PM.
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2017-12-07, 06:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-12-07, 07:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aspect of the Moon and Long Rests
I'm infinitely amused by the fact that Tanarii, who has been shown to be wrong, is unyielding his stance while calling me (the OP) a troll.
The rule literally says "Whenever you end a 24-hour period without finishing a long rest, you must succeed on a DC 10 Constitution saving throw or suffer one level of exhaustion."
And JC has clarified, "Aspect of the Moon lets you forgo sleep when you take a long rest. The invocation doesn't remove the need for long rests."
The RAW and the RAI are aligned in this instance.
Maintaining concentration may be a sticking point too. I'm not sure if that constitutes as light activity since it involves magic. But it's not unreasonable to call it light activity, IMO. Also, attuning/identifying magic items requires a series of short rests, which you wouldn't be taking if you were hunkering down for a long rest.Last edited by LeonBH; 2017-12-07 at 07:40 PM.
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2017-12-07, 07:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aspect of the Moon and Long Rests
Argue in good faith.
And try to remember that these are people.
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2017-12-07, 07:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aspect of the Moon and Long Rests
As the coffeelock waxes aspect of the moon... wanes.
Sorry had to. Aspect of the moon still sucks now tho.Last edited by Mikal; 2017-12-07 at 07:52 PM.
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2017-12-07, 07:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aspect of the Moon and Long Rests
Argue in good faith.
And try to remember that these are people.
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2017-12-07, 08:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aspect of the Moon and Long Rests
Yes, that is why I wanted to remind everyone it still can be played any way at your table if the group agrees to it.
It saddens me a bit because I like any option (feat, invocation, feature, etc) to have both Fluff and Crunch with what it brings. The Fluff always adds great RP and the crunch can help when it matters. I know not all options will be great at all times, but one can still wish.
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2017-12-07, 10:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-12-07, 10:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-12-08, 12:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aspect of the Moon and Long Rests
Eventually, most sorcs will not be able to fail a DC 10 con save, assuming they invested a bit in con which they should. At 5th level, mine will only fail 15% of the time.
Last edited by Dalebert; 2017-12-08 at 12:33 AM.
If you cast Dispel Magic on my Gust of Wind, does that mean you're disgusting?
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2017-12-08, 01:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aspect of the Moon and Long Rests
Right, but every succeeding night adds 5 to the DC, pass or fail. On the second night, it's DC 15. On the third, it's DC 20.
It does strike me that having a Divination Wizard in the party will make this easier night after night, but they'd have to save their high Portent roll for you.
Still, the DC reaches impossibly high levels after several days and then Greater Restoration is the only way you can ensure you don't die of exhaustion after that.
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2017-12-08, 01:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-12-08, 01:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-12-08, 02:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aspect of the Moon and Long Rests
"Evidence seemed strong"?
"It happens"?
Dude.
In that thread, you flipped out on me for just suggesting there was another way to interpret it. You accused me of lying, of deliberately trying to sabotage you, and of intentionally trying to mislead everyone else in the thread.
When I held out an olive branch, suggesting we both just keep an open mind until there was a clarification, you doubled down and called me a liar again.
I didn't expect an apology or anything, but "it happens"? Damn.
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2017-12-08, 08:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-12-08, 09:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aspect of the Moon and Long Rests
Not to mention that AotM allows the coffeelock to *still* opt into "java mode" for a single day, at the sole cost of a single roll to prevent exhaustion. That's still a huge benefit. They can't do it forever, and there is a downside (failing the roll and becoming exhausted), but it is still an option.
It's giving an extra ability to basically increase their Nova potential, as long as they have enough time to prepare. That's still strong.
That's even a useful tool for a DM - If you have a coffeelock, who taps into their java power, then suddenly long-rest interruptions are more prevalent, story-wise. It's a bit ironic, as the entire concept of the coffeelock was removing the tyranny of the long rest (and, the DM's ability to interrupt said long rest), and now it can be more powerful against them if timed right.
The party powers up for a huge encounter, and it goes... not the way they thought it would. Now they're on the run, without the ability to rest, with a preemptively-exhausted warlock! That's a compelling left hook to add to a story. There's a reason that the new Battlestar Galactica reboot's first episode (after the 2-episode pilot) was '33'.
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2017-12-08, 01:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aspect of the Moon and Long Rests
So when I say it could be interpreted in more than one way;
and you call me a dishonest, manipulative liar for saying so, because there’s only one way to read the RAW and only one possible RAI;
and then it turns out you were just flat-out wrong; and it could, in fact be interpreted the other way, which is exacty what I’d said that caused you to flip out...
you’re still going to stand by those accusations?
That’s not apples to oranges, that’s just being a troll twice.
You do you, though. Have fun.Last edited by Zene; 2017-12-08 at 01:58 PM.
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2017-12-08, 10:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aspect of the Moon and Long Rests
Actually, it legitimizes this tactic, IMO. Punishing a tactic (like not taking long rests) means you can use that tactic, as long as you pay the price for it. And as far as not sleeping every other day, the risk of a DC 10 Con save is worth it for a single level of exhaustion, as long as you have ways to mitigate it pre-Greater Restoration.
It's why I personally prefer to not punish certain things, but instead talk to the players so that they aren't used at all instead.
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2017-12-09, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aspect of the Moon and Long Rests
The trouble with punishing long rests is that it favors certain classes. Rogues in particular, especially ranged rogues, barely need to rest. One could take the Healer feat on a thief and be good to go at all times.
At that point, the player is building a character to suit the DM and the DM's campaign rather than building what he wants to play. I have no issue with doing that. But not all players like to do that.Last edited by Easy_Lee; 2017-12-09 at 02:49 PM.