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    If Rich hadn't said that Mass Death Ward being level 7 instead of 8 was an error, I'd say that we should have seen this coming because of it.
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    Ack, too good! I can't handle this tension.
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    So, does anyone have any answers for these questions?

    • Are there any rules regarding targeting grappling combatants?
    • What's the LA for a Yuan-ti Abomination/Naga? Malack's ECL seems like it must be through the roof at this point.
    • Is it even possible that he's a Yuan-ti?
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    More likely a legless Yuan-ti half-blood or abomination- Naga's generally don't have arms, either.
    Or maybe some kind of homebrewed, mutant vampire form for lizardfolks.

    After all, vampires are shapeshifters and those who were once human are often portrayed with intermediary forms between man and bat or wolf. I can see a reptile vampire having some half-snake form as an option.
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    Ok, this leaves the question: why bother checking if Durkon protected himself if you could simply dispel the spell and not care at all*?

    *yes, I know it's for the plot, but still..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raineh Daze View Post
    Yuan-ti would fit... but it runs afoul of the OGL/product ID thing, so the above stated naga is much more likely, since they're mythological entities.
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    If Durkon does become a vampire, it will open the gateway for plenty of White Wolf jokes. If he doesn't.... I don't even know where this comic is going anymore, I'll be honest. It's a roller coaster ride in the dark.
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    If Malack is a Yaun-ti, Durkon might be saved by the lawyers...
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    Awesome strip! great job on building the suspense! Will Durkon get out of this one?

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    You don't play your trump card first. You play it last, when it will ensure victory. Or better yet, you win without even using it.
    Clever vampire lizard snake thing. I guess this is how Durkon will returning home "posthumously".
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    I think a sudden appearance by V is Durkon's only shot at getting out of this.
    Yes, I think that's the only Durkon's getting out of this one: V rushes in, sees what's going on, and casts a couple Incinerates (assuming V prepared some today).

    Failing that, may be time to start discussing Vamp!Durkon. What are the chances that OOTS would accept another Evil-aligned member? Of course, considering the fact that Durkon would be LE and a fairly honerable fellow, I think it likely that he could come to some kind of compromise with them (only feed on Evil characters or people the team fights against). But who knows, maybe Durkon would ask Roy to stake him rather than exist as a vampire.

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    Holy ****!

    Giant, I commend you. There are so many things about Malack that we really should have seen coming, and didn't. (Having reread a few parts involving him, the bloodwart tea is actually described as such when it's introduced, it's just that the text has similar-looking o's and a's. And when Durkon splashes a bit of it, it's blood red.)

    This was yet another one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karpik777 View Post
    Ok, this leaves the question: why bother checking if Durkon protected himself if you could simply dispel the spell and not care at all*?

    *yes, I know it's for the plot, but still..
    Ninja'd by the Giant himself, but to elaborate - if Malack had simply dispelled the Mass Death Ward without first rendering Durkon unable to cast, Durkon could have cast a garden-variety Death Ward on himself, and we have no reason to think Malack has a backdoor into those.

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    He's a Yun...Yan...Yon....Serpent Thingy!


    Also, a Fridge brilliance moment: When Durkon tried to casss MDW before against Sabine, and the spell failed because Thor and the devas couldn't understand his request...it wasn't because Thor was an idiot this time, it was a hint the spell had been tampered with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintRidley View Post
    If Malack were a Yuan-Ti Abomination with exactly the minimum levels in Cleric to cast Harm, he would have 9 racial hit dice, 11 class levels, +7 LA from his race and +8 LA from vampire, putting him at ECL 35.
    And 20 HD total. Ouch. Even with a whole bunch more class levels, he'd be tougher than practically all of the OotS. No wonder he'd be stuck at level 11...

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    No Durkon! Well, it seems its all over now.
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    OH WOW.

    And I thought the Belkar moment was gonna be the climax. How naive I was. What's really intriguing is that no matter what happens, Durkon will still be heading back to the Dwarven Lands...

    (minor quibble: it's a little hard to follow the panels in the middle of the strip. I read the four panels on the left before reading the big one to the right, and I was lost for a bit about what had happened)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Leipzig View Post
    Failing that, may be time to start discussing Vamp!Durkon. What are the chances that OOTS would accept another Evil-aligned member? Of course, considering the fact that Durkon would be LE and a fairly honerable fellow, I think it likely that he could come to some kind of compromise with them (only feed on Evil characters or people the team fights against). But who knows, maybe Durkon would ask Roy to stake him rather than exist as a vampire.
    I don't know if Roy actually would. He and Durkon are pretty close.
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    Hm. With Durkon potentially becoming a vampire and Belkar's clock ticking away, it's possible that the Order will be down to four members soon.
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    Well...oh my. This is problematic. Very problematic. On another topic, could someone point me towards the comic where Malack helped Durkon create the Mass Death Ward spell, or it was first mentioned he did so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkanist View Post
    Also, this seems to perhaps fulfill the prophecies of Durkon returning home posthumously and him visiting destruction on them when he next returns.
    Yep, pretty much my thoughts here. Maybe he'll stay around with the Order anyway, though. Malack seems to be able to be personally rational and unlike Belkar I feel like Durkon has enough reputation with the Order that they would look at him as a vampire and go "oh man, that sucks...let's head to the next gate."

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    Spoiler, you're implying that this is the last play.

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    And here I thought Malack was a nice person for so long...

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    Failing that, may be time to start discussing Vamp!Durkon. What are the chances that OOTS would accept another Evil-aligned member?
    1. I now really appreciate the move the Giant made earlier of Belkar being bitten but not vamped. It raises the tension of Durkon being bitten more.
    2. If Durkon is turned here, I don't think his personality or alignment will change. I also don't think he'll ask to be staked, because I'm sure he'll recognize that he has the capacity to do a great deal of good, even as an undead. But I think a vampire Durkon would be able to satisfy his need for blood in a nonevil way.
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    Well, as every cliffhanger strip we've had so far in this segment has been followed by a reversal (Belkar's going to be vamp'd! No, Durkon's going to lose! No, Durkon's winning! No, Malack turned the tables! No, Durkon's winning again!), I'm going to assume this is the perfect time for someone else to show up and rescue Durkon - either Belkar will stop being Dominated, or the rest of the crew will have finished disarming the door and come to look for Durkon and Belkar.

    I don't think it will be V, because from appearances he's in a completely different (and much deeper) part of the pyramid. But I've been wrong in my predictions about this comic many times before.

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    Well...oh my. This is problematic. Very problematic. On another topic, could someone point me towards the comic where Malack helped Durkon create the Mass Death Ward spell, or it was first mentioned he did so?
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    1. Ok, that was a brilliant move for Malack. Durkon loses a minimum of 1d4 Con, Malack gains some temporary hp, and if something doesn't happen in the next few rounds, Durkon is defeated. Of course, this is only the 5th comic of 9, so something will happen next round to tip the balance of power back towards the Order. Of course, the Giant knows that we know this, and wil probably have Durkon be defeated just to break expectation. On the other hand, the Giant knows that we know that he knows what to expect, so he may have made plans based on what we know he knows that we know he will do, and so on and so forth.

    2. I knew from the general structure of this sequence that Malack would take back the advantage dramatically this comic, but I hadn't guessed that he'd be able to dispel the Ward. Seems obvious in retrospect, though.

    3. If there really are nine strips in this sequence, then the pattern we have seen so far will end on a "Malack winning" strip, though it could also be that the 9th strip will do something else to herald the end of the battle, such as Xykon warping in or simply cutting away to Haley, Elan, and Roy having finally disarmed all the traps and seeing what's beyond.
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    Not looking good. Hopefully Durkon remembered to hold back a Word of Recall.

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    No, I'm implying that Malack thinks this is the last play, and chose his actions accordingly.
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