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    Ben's dialogue is rather odd in these strips While it's an excellent echo of Obi-Wan's lines in the film, it just doesn't seem to flow well from the previous dialouge. This could, however, be a setup for a joke on the different style of writing in the OT compared to the PT.

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    Anyway, I'm a little confused why his name is not Luke but I guess it would be a bit obvious...
    Because his real parents were adventurers. And the Lars...es won't have any of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnoman View Post
    Ben's dialogue is rather odd in these strips While it's an excellent echo of Obi-Wan's lines in the film, it just doesn't seem to flow well from the previous dialouge. This could, however, be a setup for a joke on the different style of writing in the OT compared to the PT.
    Does feel a little odd, doesn't it? I suspect it's intentional; Ben has just returned from his journey of self-discovery and finding himself, complete with long beard and slightly spacey attitude. Or maybe it's just been a while since he gamed and he's trying to get back in-character, I don't know. We'll see.
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    Remember, the hook that got Luke to go to Alderaan in the first place was the death of Owen and Beru. I have no doubt that something similar will be the plot railroad for Corey/Adam.
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    I nerdgasmed a little bit at at today's author comments.
    Though I was again reminded how confusing it has to be to be an English speaking chemistry student... Sodium is Na, potassium is K... okay, we Germans got issues with other element, maybe it's just a matter of getting used to it.

    But hey, we learned something about nuclear power today!

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    Yeah, now what to do with this new knowledge...
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    Ben seems to be very spaced out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    I nerdgasmed a little bit at at today's author comments.
    Though I was again reminded how confusing it has to be to be an English speaking chemistry student... Sodium is Na, potassium is K... okay, we Germans got issues with other element, maybe it's just a matter of getting used to it.

    But hey, we learned something about nuclear power today!
    Yeah, you pretty much get used to the element abbreviations not making any sense whatsoever in English, since they mostly come from Latin and English is two or three steps removed from that.

    For great fun, ask an American eighth grader to find lead on the periodic table. They'll be at it for hours.
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    For great fun, ask an American eighth grader to find lead on the periodic table. They'll be at it for hours.
    That seems... mean. But hilarious.
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    That seems... mean. But hilarious.
    Well, I don't think lead is easy for anyone... (random claim from a guy who knows like three languages). It's 'Blei' in German... who the hell calls an element/metal plumbum anyway?

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    I do. Well, in chemistry class anyway. It's easier to find in the tables if you just call it how the tables call it. So Hg is hydrargyrum, not mercury. Even quicksilver makes more sense than mercury. It looks like silver, it's quick, but what has it to do with mercury? Nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthias2207 View Post
    I do. Well, in chemistry class anyway. It's easier to find in the tables if you just call it how the tables call it. So Hg is hydrargyrum, not mercury. Even quicksilver makes more sense than mercury. It looks like silver, it's quick, but what has it to do with mercury? Nothing.
    Mercury, the god, was known for his speed, I guess? And uh...fluidity?
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    I might have been lost in 8th grade, but thats because for me chemistry was, I think, 10th grade. Up till then it was mostly "earth sciences" and stuff like that. General overview of all different fields from biology to molecular bonds, to geology to whatever. Learning the table of elements wasnt really on the table until we started doing chemistry work in the labs. But even now, 18 years after I learned it, I can still find lead on the table, or really, any element in 30 seconds of looking or less.
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    Well, I don't think lead is easy for anyone... (random claim from a guy who knows like three languages)
    The French, maybe? 'Plomb'.

    Also, it gets easier to remember in English once you make the etymological link to the word 'plumber'.

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    Since one was named for the other, that connection is made explicit in every chemistry text I've ever read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthias2207 View Post
    I do. Well, in chemistry class anyway. It's easier to find in the tables if you just call it how the tables call it. So Hg is hydrargyrum, not mercury. Even quicksilver makes more sense than mercury. It looks like silver, it's quick, but what has it to do with mercury? Nothing.
    I'm pretty sure it's all the alchemist's fault. In short, mercury is named after Mercury because Mercury got named after Mercury and yo dawg...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnoman View Post
    Since one was named for the other, that connection is made explicit in every chemistry text I've ever read.
    Well, yes, hence the word 'etymological'.

    I suppose you could do something similar with words like 'auric' and 'aurous', although, realistically speaking, by the time you come across them you've probably already learnt the chemical symbol for gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    Well, I don't think lead is easy for anyone... (random claim from a guy who knows like three languages). It's 'Blei' in German... who the hell calls an element/metal plumbum anyway?
    The Romans used it to build pipes.

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    Yeah, that was not one of their brighter long-term decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    Well, I don't think lead is easy for anyone... (random claim from a guy who knows like three languages). It's 'Blei' in German... who the hell calls an element/metal plumbum anyway?
    It was used for their sewage pipes mostly. Hence the word plumber and lead being related
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    Yeah, that was not one of their brighter long-term decisions.
    Actually there were far worse uses of it. Cheating merchants would use lead shavings to make their grain supplies weigh more, thus mixing it in with their food. Dementia was kinda common actually.
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    Okay guys, aren't you kind of mixing up cause and effect if you justify calling the element plumbum because your language later decided to use 'plumber' for a job... probably centuries later as well, since I guess plumbing was still not that common in England for a while...
    (Also, damn you French for ruining my argument.)

    Well, we really can't blame the people back then for not knowing lead is poisonous... it's so slow acting most of the time. But yeah, I guess it caused quite a few deaths.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    Okay guys, aren't you kind of mixing up cause and effect if you justify calling the element plumbum because your language later decided to use 'plumber' for a job... probably centuries later as well, since I guess plumbing was still not that common in England for a while...
    (Also, damn you French for ruining my argument.)

    Well, we really can't blame the people back then for not knowing lead is poisonous... it's so slow acting most of the time. But yeah, I guess it caused quite a few deaths.


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    No - the word plumber describes someone who works with pipes because the ancient Romans made their pipes out of lead, plumbum; the profession is named after the element. You've got the cause and effect reversed.

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    No - the word plumber describes someone who works with pipes because the ancient Romans made their pipes out of lead, plumbum; the profession is named after the element. You've got the cause and effect reversed.
    I am aware of that but as I said, the posts before seemed to me like explaining it's fine if the elements name is plumbum since plumbers are called plumbers for the lead pipes they work with. But the element can obviously not be called after plumbers since they are older so they must have another reasoning for the stupid name.
    I mean... you know what I mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    I am aware of that but as I said, the posts before seemed to me like explaining it's fine if the elements name is plumbum since plumbers are called plumbers for the lead pipes they work with. But the element can obviously not be called after plumbers since they are older so they must have another reasoning for the stupid name.
    I mean... you know what I mean?
    No, we don't know what you mean.

    In Latin, lead was called Plumbum. Latin is where the elemental symbol comes from (just like gold=Au, silver=Ag, iron=Fe, etc.) The elemental symbol is Pb because of the Latin name for the metal.

    Now, in English, and many other languages, the name of the metal is lead. However, the names of things relating to pipes - plumber, plumbing - derivce from Latin, the same as the elemental symbol. So by knowing some obscure trivia about the origins of words, you can remember that Pb=plumbum=pipes=lead.

    At that point, though, it's easier just to memorize two letters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    I am aware of that but as I said, the posts before seemed to me like explaining it's fine if the elements name is plumbum since plumbers are called plumbers for the lead pipes they work with. But the element can obviously not be called after plumbers since they are older so they must have another reasoning for the stupid name.
    I mean... you know what I mean?
    ...Latin is older than English. The element is not named after plumbers, plumbers are named after the element, because the element was named first and became associated with pipes before they had an English word to describe 'plumbing', and then 'plumber'.

    Remember, English doesn't have any words of its own, it lures older and better languages into dark alleyways, then mugs them and loots their pockets for interesting vocabulary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    I am aware of that but as I said, the posts before seemed to me like explaining it's fine if the elements name is plumbum since plumbers are called plumbers for the lead pipes they work with. But the element can obviously not be called after plumbers since they are older so they must have another reasoning for the stupid name.
    I mean... you know what I mean?
    Others have already explained why you are the one who is backwards. What I would like to know is where this idea that "plumbum" is a stupid name came from. Does it sound funny? Perhaps it makes you giggle to hear "bum" in a serious scientific term? Is it the repetition "um...um" that gives it a comical aspect? It could be the "p"; I've heard that letter is undignified. I guess "plumb" looks sort of like "dumb".

    The real reason you think it's stupid is that you think the alternative is that you are stupid for not getting it. As you can see, the reason is just that it's an obscure term with two millenia of history, so it's not a matter of being smart on either side.

    Am I overreacting? Probably; I'm an elitist. But this tactic of yours is usually reserved for children.

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    What about the profession named after the current English appellation of the element? Leader?!

    Which explains why english-speaking head of states always drag you down and become toxic over time...

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