"Wait, that didn't work right" - the Dysfunctional Rules Collection

[willpell]

Maybe that's a hint you should get the feat without meeting prerequisites

If there are ways of doing such a thing, I would generally be more interested in banning those ways than using them. With the exception of enforced flavor like alignment preqs, I tend to assume that they're there for a reason and should not be bypassed (abilities like Primary Contact bug me for much this reason; they break an otherwise unbreakable rule that was probably better not broken, or at least broken for everyone instead of just those that spend a feat to break it).

[Menteith]

Erm.. Not to poke any holes in anything. But really?

Here, from the D&D glossary from Wizard of the Coast.

I am pretty sure that means this is RAW? Or will it have to be printed in the Players handbook or such to be considered RAW?

Furthermore:

I would say it is very, very possible to die in a desert due to heat, by the looks of it.

You're right about the heat damage . Starvation still doesn't look lethal under any circumstances, though.

[Morithias]

The shipping company (Power of Faerun) and Criminal company (DMG2) are both high resource, high capital, and high risk businesses, and all businesses use the same random encounter table and rules.

Therefore all that matters when whether you should ship drugs or food is which is higher charisma or wisdom (Assume equal optimzation) (criminal uses intimidate, shipping uses profession).

[Qwertystop]

And both have a chance of spontaneously combusting.

[noparlpf]

And both have a chance of spontaneously combusting.

Even liquids and fire-retardants? Could my shipment of fire extinguishers in fireproof boxes spontaneously combust?

[Amphetryon]

Even liquids and fire-retardants? Could my shipment of fire extinguishers in fireproof boxes spontaneously combust?

Everything burns. If something doesn't burn, it just needs more fire.

[nedz]

There are no fire extinguishers or fireproof boxes.

[Qwertystop]

Both meaning both companies, or more specifically the buildings thereof. I believe the relevant table was mentioned earlier in the thread.

[LTwerewolf]

I recall a few pages back someone saying heat, starvation, and thirst won't kill you. Heat has already been disproven, so here's page 15 of sandstorm.

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Dehydrated: Characters who have taken nonlethal
damage from lack of water are considered dehydrated and
become fatigued. In addition, if a dehydrated character
would take nonlethal damage from hot conditions (such
as those described in this book or on page 303 of the
Dungeon Master’s Guide), that damage instead becomes
lethal damage.
A character who falls unconscious from nonlethal
damage due to thirst begins to take the same amount of
lethal damage instead. Damage from thirst, whether lethal
or nonlethal, cannot be recovered until the character has
been treated (see below); not even magic that restores hit
points heals this damage.

Sections bolded for ease of access.

[Divayth Fyr]

The second part was removed in the Rules Compendium, and since that is supposed to take precedence, thirst by itself will not kill you.

[mattie_p]

The second part was removed in the Rules Compendium, and since that is supposed to take precedence, thirst by itself will not kill you.

WoTC may have intended that to be the case, but WoTC itself sets the Rules Compendium pretty low on the totem pole. Specifically, see the official Errata published on the web. The Rules Compendium does not override the WoTC errata published, due to the phrase(s):

When you find a disagreement between two D&D® rules sources, unless an official errata file says otherwise, the primary source is correct. One example of a primary/secondary source is text taking precedence over a table entry. An individual spell description takes precedence when the short description in the beginning of the spells chapter disagrees.

Another example of primary vs. secondary sources involves book and topic precedence. The Player's Handbook, for example, gives all the rules for playing the game, for playing PC races, and for using base class descriptions. If you find something on one of those topics from the DUNGEON MASTER's Guide or the Monster Manual that disagrees with the Player's Handbook, you should assume the Player's Handbook is the primary source. The DUNGEON MASTER's Guide is the primary source for topics such as magic item descriptions, special material construction rules, and so on. The Monster Manual is the primary source for monster descriptions, templates, and supernatural, extraordinary, and spell-like abilities.

As the Rules Compendium is not a primary source for any rules, it has lower precedence than other published sources.

[Divayth Fyr]

WoTC may have intended that to be the case, but WoTC itself sets the Rules Compendium pretty low on the totem pole. Specifically, see the official Errata published on the web. The Rules Compendium does not override the WoTC errata published, due to the phrase(s):

As the Rules Compendium is not a primary source for any rules, it has lower precedence than other published sources.

No, it may have lower precedence than the errata, but it is mentioned inside it that

When a preexisting core book or supplement differs with the rules herein, Rules Compendium is meant to take precedence.

It may not override web errata, but Sandstorm isn't one ;P

[Jack_Simth]

No, it may have lower precedence than the errata, but it is mentioned inside it that


It may not override web errata, but Sandstorm isn't one ;P

Kinda.

According to the Primary Source rule found in pretty much all of the errata files, The PHB, DMG, and MM take priority over the rules compendium.

According to the Rules Compendium, the Rules Compendium takes priority over the PHB, DMG, and MM.

I don't touch the Rules Compendium out of spite for what it seems to be to me.

[TypoNinja]

Kinda.

According to the Primary Source rule found in pretty much all of the errata files, The PHB, DMG, and MM take priority over the rules compendium.

According to the Rules Compendium, the Rules Compendium takes priority over the PHB, DMG, and MM.

I don't touch the Rules Compendium out of spite for what it seems to be to me.

This contradiction will be settled rather decisively when the 3.5 reprints hit the shelves and we find out which version of the rules got kept.

Personally though I'd think a book called the Rules Compendium would trump any source printed prior to it, since the entire stated purpose of said book was to clarify previous rule sets.

[noparlpf]

This contradiction will be settled rather decisively when the 3.5 reprints hit the shelves and we find out which version of the rules got kept.

Personally though I'd think a book called the Rules Compendium would trump any source printed prior to it, since the entire stated purpose of said book was to clarify previous rule sets.

Are they actually planning to reprint 3.5? I would never expect that to happen.

Personally, I think that the rulebooks are more like guidelinebooks, because I don't really respect WotC as competent rulemakers.

[willpell]

Are they actually planning to reprint 3.5? I would never expect that to happen.

It says "On Sale September 18th" (making me suddenly rather glad I got outbid on a 3.5 DMG on Ebay the other day). It also says they're going to contain "the latest" errata, making me wonder if that just means everything that they published over the life of 3.5 or if they've actually been working on it while 4E was going. What I'm really worred about though is what exactly "premium" means in this context. I'd like to buy them, but not if they come in a leather-bound slipcase for $100+....

[TypoNinja]

It says "On Sale September 18th" (making me suddenly rather glad I got outbid on a 3.5 DMG on Ebay the other day). It also says they're going to contain "the latest" errata, making me wonder if that just means everything that they published over the life of 3.5 or if they've actually been working on it while 4E was going. What I'm really worred about though is what exactly "premium" means in this context. I'd like to buy them, but not if they come in a leather-bound slipcase for $100+....

I'm not sure my self, but I think it may just mean they've been updated with erratta rather than just a straight re-print of the original books.

[nedz]

I tried taking the survey.
Seems it doesn't work under FireFox, Opera or IE.
This would seem to be an appropriate thread to mention this in.

[LordotheMorning]

As per all the rules I could find about stealth and the FAQs I've read, you can make a full attack while hiding, you just have to roll a stealth check after each attack at -20.

The rules for sniping also give you -20, but they only let you attack once per round. So apparently striking from the shadows is easier in melee than it is at range.

[Amphetryon]

As per all the rules I could find about stealth and the FAQs I've read, you can make a full attack while hiding, you just have to roll a stealth check after each attack at -20.

The rules for sniping also give you -20, but they only let you attack once per round. So apparently striking from the shadows is easier in melee than it is at range.

IIRC, that's a cumulative -20, which the designers probably felt was penalty enough to prevent success after one, maybe two attacks. The validity of the designers' feelings on the matter is another topic.

[willpell]

I tried taking the survey.
Seems it doesn't work under FireFox, Opera or IE.
This would seem to be an appropriate thread to mention this in.

Didn't work for me either; I'm guessing that it's been up for a while and the survey is already over.

[noparlpf]

It says "On Sale September 18th" (making me suddenly rather glad I got outbid on a 3.5 DMG on Ebay the other day). It also says they're going to contain "the latest" errata, making me wonder if that just means everything that they published over the life of 3.5 or if they've actually been working on it while 4E was going. What I'm really worred about though is what exactly "premium" means in this context. I'd like to buy them, but not if they come in a leather-bound slipcase for $100+....

Huh. Well, I have to decide whether or not to buy those, then.

I tried taking the survey.
Seems it doesn't work under FireFox, Opera or IE.
This would seem to be an appropriate thread to mention this in.

Which survey? The one for the first playtest packet? I don't think I got any emails about this second playtest packet.

[TypoNinja]

Which survey? The one for the first playtest packet? I don't think I got any emails about this second playtest packet.

They are reprinting the 3 core books plus unspecified others based on player feedback, the survey was to gauge which books would sell best, and thus be worth reprinting.

[nedz]

They are reprinting the 3 core books plus unspecified others based on player feedback, the survey was to gauge which books would sell best, and thus be worth reprinting.

Yes there was a Survey button on the link willpell supplied.

You'd think that they would just look at the prices on ebay ?
This should mean
Spell Compendium - definite reprint
Miniatures Handbook - not likely
etc.

[VGLordR2]

I hope they'll reprint Tome of Battle with all of the Errata that never got released.

[noparlpf]

They are reprinting the 3 core books plus unspecified others based on player feedback, the survey was to gauge which books would sell best, and thus be worth reprinting.

OHH. For some reason I thought I was in the 5e playtest thread. Maybe because both email notifications came at the same time. Okay. Confusion dispelled.

[Venger]

I hope they'll reprint Tome of Battle with all of the Errata that never got released.

I hope they reprint the tome of magic. that sold fairly well. maybe they could fix truenamer, or at least remember to put in the DCs for all its abilities.

[VGLordR2]

I hope they reprint the tome of magic. that sold fairly well. maybe they could fix truenamer, or at least remember to put in the DCs for all its abilities.

That was one of the best 3.5 books in terms of flavor. It's really too bad that the Shadowcaster and the Truenamer aren't a bit better.

[noparlpf]

I hope they reprint the tome of magic. that sold fairly well. maybe they could fix truenamer, or at least remember to put in the DCs for all its abilities.

I hope they scrap the Tome of Magic, rewrite it, and make it work. The concept and flavour were fine, but the mechanics were rubbish.

[nedz]

I hope they'll reprint Tome of Battle with all of the Errata that never got released.

Or maybe just, like, print the errata, instead of some random mash-up.