Test of Spite [3.5.3]

[Olo Demonsbane]

This character is apparently tier .5. Are you alright with that?

Well, I'll most likely lose (my character can take on most standard characters without a problem, but he's not overall that powerful), but I'd like to fight at least.

And I may want to fight him again later, when I have a nice and powerful character in circulation.

Actually, could you wait a little bit? I'd like to try out my current powerful build against you, but Adumbration is currently fighting her. If you would not watch that match, I'd gladly attempt to give you an actual challenge.

[theterran]

Where is this tier system defined?

[9mm]

Where is this tier system defined?

I think it was somewhere in the second thread; but it mostly has to do with signuture tricks/roles, the more and better you have, the higher the tier... Aeths is .5 because of his shear number of moves puts that char above teir 1, while my psion is only teir 1 cause of fewer moves, put the ones it has are JUST. THAT. GOOD.

[Olo Demonsbane]

Here's the ToS Tier System as I remember it:

Tier -2: Pun Pun

Tier -1: An unbeatable build.

Tier 0: An effectively unbeatable build, though it can actually be beaten by the higher Tiers.

Tier .5: A build that can probably only be beaten if you have specifically prepared for it. Example: Sofawall's Cube build.

Tier 1: A build that has many effective tricks, insanely high defenses, and can end most encounters in a round. Example: A very effectively played Batman wizard.

Tier 2: Multiple great tricks and great defenses. Where I usually build for. Example: A CoDzilla or a Warmarked.

Tier 3: A build that either has one great trick or a lot of moderately good ones, while still having stellar defenses. Example: A well made Warblade, a good tripper, or a buff focused Sorcerer.

Tier 4: A build that, while still having a trick or two, has fallen very short on the defensive side of the line or has great defenses without being able to defeat an opponent on its own very easily. Example: A Charging Fighter or a VoP Monkadin.

Tier 5: A build that, while attempting to be optimized, still has neither good defenses nor a worthwile trick. Example: A typical fighter.

Tier 6: A build that *twitch* chooses feats for flavor reasons *twitch*

[Milskidasith]

As a side question, I know metaconcert is horribly defined, and thusly banned, but has anybody ever done a rewrite of the spell that actually makes sense?

[Olo Demonsbane]

I respectfully would like to inform those of you who have won qualifiers that I have my dungeon ready enough to accept entries at the moment. So... party of 4 qualified characters (who have done their shopping-in-Sigil) will be needed. This will probably be the easiest dungeon that anyone makes, for that matter... Still, brain use and mapping is needed.

So I have a character, 9mm has a character, and Adumbration has a character. Is there someone I missed?

And is this still going forward Thelas?

[ex cathedra]

I think Bokonon vs. Cube would be a stalemate, or just a very prolonged fight followed by an anticlimactic loss.

Also, yes, it's Bokonon. It's more-or-less .5, I think, or .75/something in that range. Jake told me to.

Edit:

'Course, I wouldn't think of reading that match if I'm going to fight one of you. I actually haven't been keeping up with matches recently, anyways.

[PhoenixRivers]

So I have a character, 9mm has a character, and Adumbration has a character. Is there someone I missed?

And is this still going forward Thelas?

My Psion has also won a qualifier.

[SurlySeraph]

I've been working on a DMM build. It's pretty good if I do say so myself. If I could find a way to get two more 7th-level spell slots (or, alternately, another feat after 8th level), it would be awesome.

I found a potential way to get one extra 7th-level slot, but it involves either writing two Candles of Invocation into my backstory plus a very questionable rules interpretation, or one Candle of Invocation plus a somewhat abusive use of Psychic Reformation. So I'm pretty sure it's not going to fly.

In case anyone's curious, the trick using Psychic Reformation is to have a CoI burning at the end of my spell preparation period, thus allowing me to cast 8th-level spells, then get 100 XP to pay for a casting of Psychic Reformation and use it to take Extra Slot as my 12th-level feat; since I can currently cast 8th-level spells and the extra spell slot never changes level, I'd get a permanent 7th-level slot that way. The two-CoI trick doesn't require me to have 100 XP over what I need to get to 13th level, but it would require stacking two CoIs to make my character count as 4 levels higher for the purposes of determining spells for the day when I'm 11th level right before I level up to 12th.

[Olo Demonsbane]

Candles of Invocation get you eaten by the hounds.

[SurlySeraph]

I'm well aware, but can the Hounds plunge into my backstory to eat me? Because if the two-CoI trick works (not that any sane DM would allow it), that's what they'd have to do.

I'm not going to actually try either of those, you understand. Well, I might try the Psychic Reformation one if I get through the qualifier and rebuild my character so that he has a sufficient Use Psionic Device check to use a Power Stone of Psychic Reformation, but that's probably more trouble than it's worth, especially because I mainly want the 7th-level slot for the qualifier. It would be really nice if I could find an alternate way to get that slot, though. Retrieve Spell might work, but I have better things to use my Turn attempts on.

[Doc Roc]

Yes, hounds can eat you during character creation.

[Sstoopidtallkid]

I've been working on a DMM build. It's pretty good if I do say so myself. If I could find a way to get two more 7th-level spell slots (or, alternately, another feat after 8th level), it would be awesome

Scrolls fail to work..why?

That said, if you can get access to Spellstaff(PHB, Druid...7, IIRC), that should do it.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

I respectfully would like to inform those of you who have won qualifiers that I have my dungeon ready enough to accept entries at the moment. So... party of 4 qualified characters (who have done their shopping-in-Sigil) will be needed. This will probably be the easiest dungeon that anyone makes, for that matter... Still, brain use and mapping is needed.

I won a qualifier way back when by beating a gnome SCM to death in an AMF as a sorcerer... does that count?

[Eurus]

Can you store a Shadowcaster mystery in a Ring of Theurgy, if that mystery is currently in the "cast as an arcane spell" phase? Would doing so allow you to prepare or cast mysteries with arcane spell slots?

Note that I can't really think of any practical use for doing so, it just struck me as odd enough to ask about.

(Actually, that's not entirely true. I'd like to figure out how to qualify for Noctumancer at level three, and Shadowcaster early entry tricks are being depressingly hard to find, so being able to cast second-level mysteries out of arcane slots would be convenient provided you ignore the stipulation of having full level 13 WBL starting from level 2...)

[Sstoopidtallkid]

I won a qualifier way back when by beating a gnome SCM to death in an AMF as a sorcerer... does that count?

Link? That sounds...fun.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

Link? That sounds...fun.

Somewhere on the page

[SurlySeraph]

Bah, stupid hounds. Come and get me, I dare you! *is in a room with no corners*

Scrolls fail to work..why?

That said, if you can get access to Spellstaff(PHB, Druid...7, IIRC), that should do it.

Partly because of cost, partly because I need to apply metamagic. Spellstaff should be perfect, though. Thanks!

[Eurus]

Oh, for another Noctumancer-related question, how exactly does the immunity granted by Shadow's Persistence work? Does it function like golem spell immunity (effectively infinite SR)? My instinct is no, since it should potentially apply to (Su) mysteries, which would ignore SR.

[Thelas]

And is this still going forward Thelas?

Yes, as soon as people are ready.
And Pharaoh, I think it counts, but ask Jake.

[Adumbration]

Yes, as soon as people are ready.
And Pharaoh, I think it counts, but ask Jake.

I'm ready... Although I doubt my character has much of a chance of surviving. I cringe, just looking at it - I would definitely build it differently, these days.

But it's ready. Do you need the sheet? I can pm it to you, if you like.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

Yes, as soon as people are ready.
And Pharaoh, I think it counts, but ask Jake.

Ok.

Incidentally, I made several changes to Imhotep over the course of the months because I never thought things would progress to the point of getting into a dungeon, and used him for other purposes...

[Olo Demonsbane]

I've PMed my character to you Thelas.

[Doc Roc]

Yes, as soon as people are ready.
And Pharaoh, I think it counts, but ask Jake.

He's cleared.

I'm not sure about mysteries, Eurus. They're well outside my expertise.

[Eurus]

That's a shame, but hardly surprising. Poor unloved Shadowcasters. >_>

[Olo Demonsbane]

As written, Boccob's reading room does not restrict the spell list you chose from. Just throwing that out there.

[Adumbration]

Question for DMs:

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I'm thinking about reworking my artificer, so I started to look at the warforged artificer racial sub class from Races of Eberron. I have a few questions about it.

1) Tools of War. Is this allowed? Effectively it doubles your craft reserve for weapons, armor... And more importantly, warforged components. Almost any magic item can be made into one.

2) Can the weapon familiar be crafted with lesser/greater powers?

[Thelas]

I'm ready... Although I doubt my character has much of a chance of surviving. I cringe, just looking at it - I would definitely build it differently, these days.

But it's ready. Do you need the sheet? I can pm it to you, if you like.

Having sheet = good thing, so yes.

[Adumbration]

Having sheet = good thing, so yes.

Roger. Pm'd.

[theterran]

So do ToS characters need a backstory?