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2019-07-24, 05:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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If Redcloak died, where would he go?
Would he go to Hell or would he go to the Dark One's domain?
Are the faithful followers of Evil deities spared the punishment of the lower planes?
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2019-07-24, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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- The Land of Angles
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2019-07-24, 06:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-24, 06:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-24, 06:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
The same place Jirix went. To his God, the Dark One. Providing he actually dies, and is not devoured by Snarl or does not get any other "special" comeuppance.
There must be some sense of order - personal, political or dramatic - and if no one else is going to bring it to this world, I will.
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2019-07-24, 07:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-24, 07:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
Huh. I thought evil people were tortured down in the lower planes. I suppose that means people like Redcloak will get away with everything at the very end. It is up to the Dark One of course but I can't imagine him actually tormenting Redcloak for no reason unless he ****s up real bad.
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2019-07-24, 08:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
"If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
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2019-07-24, 08:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
Unless he forsakes the Dark One, he'd go to the Dark One's domain, which is apparently somewhere in Acheron?
If it turns out the Dark One is actually a Lawful Neutral character with strong Evil tendencies so loads of goblins are sent there to fight battles...I guess fighting Slaadi would work?An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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2019-07-24, 08:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-24, 08:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
Magic, of course.
The Dark One actively strived to improve the relations between Goblins and Humans, and even went out of his way for diplomatic negotiations. Okay, that's the sign of a great leader, not G/N/E, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut eh. It strikes me as a more Good/Neutral thing to do than Evil though.Last edited by Squire Doodad; 2019-07-24 at 08:46 PM.
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
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"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
-Squire Doodad
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2019-07-24, 08:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-24, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
-Squire Doodad
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2019-07-24, 11:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
If he's camped in Acheron, then yes, TDO straddles the LN/LE line.
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2019-07-25, 06:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
Most evil people are tortured in most of the evil afterlives, but the truly despicable and cutthroat end up becoming fiends and getting to do the torturing (at least in the great wheel cosmology as it's usually used). Acheron, however, is the lawful evil plane that leans towards lawful neutral (or vice versa). You don't get tortured there, you just fight in endless wars across an endless sea of giant floating metal cubes for no reason.
It's kinda like Valhalla except instead of fighting for glory and then going to drink beer with all your friends you fight because some god or archfiend said so and then go fight some more. Also if you get killed you don't magically resurrect to partake in said beer drinking (if there was any that is).Last edited by RatElemental; 2019-07-25 at 06:41 AM.
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2019-07-25, 07:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-25, 08:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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But they are few, can’t be everywhere, and we, many
So, when the world or universe needs saving, they come
But when people needs saving, we are the ones to appear
We're underdogs, but we rise up to the challenge to be heroes.
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2019-07-25, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-25, 10:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
Only in the sense of "Did this white shirt get really grubby, or did this black shirt fade a lot?". Direction of travel can be important, but only if you are interested in that.
It really does seem to be on Acheron, which makes sense as I suspect The Dark One wouldn't trust The Archfiends too much and Tiamat as a neighbour would probably bug him, considering what he now knows (all that assuming that the world of Oots is as the standard 3.5 DnD setting, which it usually is).GNU Terry Pratchett
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2019-07-25, 11:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
Evil people are tortured on the lower planes, but that's because they're surrounded by other evil creatures, not because of some systematic policy.
You START as a 2HD petitioner, no matter how strong you were in life. Which means everyone enters at the bottom of the heap in a dog eat dog utterly ruthless world where there are epic level creatures in large numbers, so it doesn't matter how strong you were in life, you're nothing much in death.
As for the Dark One protecting Red Cloak, is that like how he's "protecting" every living goblin by endangering their souls on the basis that if he loses he can have a voice in the next world (he thinks, not realizing that he's unlikely to survive to the next world).
Or is it more like how Red Cloak "protected" the 10,000 hobgoblins that he DELIBERATELY got killed, or the entirety of his brother's peaceful village which was ALSO living in peace with the neighboring humans or the way he "protected" his "beloved" little brother by murdering him.
I would not care to count on the Dark One's good will in the afterlife when a tool is no longer of significant use to him. This is a god whose alleged GOOD deed was to try extortion rather than murder.
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2019-07-25, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
Depends on the plane. In the Hells it definitely is policy, indeed it is a major industry, because you can get divine power out of it. I think it might be policy in Hades too, because the daemons deal with their being trapped there by making out like they are jailer for the petitioners (less sure of that). In the abyss, its because they are surrounded on all sides by every flavour of sadistic sociopath imaginable and are weaker.
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2019-07-25, 02:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-25, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
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2019-07-25, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
The gods don't care about their High Priests to the point of being willing to sacrifice everything for them, but I imagine they'd give them an important role within their domain. And for someone like TDO who has had only a couple High Priests? Redcloak is probably quite important to him (in the "this is my most trusted Sargent" sense).
That doesn't mean RC will start off with double HD and super omega powers, but he will probably be a candidate for a tactician or be chosen to in charge of rallying the troops. You don't need to shoot uber lasers to be strong.
*is tempted to make godchild pun*An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
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"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
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2019-07-25, 07:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
TDO is explicitly stated to be an evil god by in SoD when meeting his nephew for the first time.
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2019-07-25, 07:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
-Squire Doodad
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2019-07-25, 09:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-25, 10:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
-Squire Doodad
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2019-09-08, 11:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
Given that The Dark One has only risen recently he can't have had that many High Priests compared to other gods. Also, given that The Dark One was special and not like the other goblins just by virtue of having class levels, and that the other bearers of the Crimson Mantle had much shorter tenures in the position than Redcloak (Redcloak has had it for a large chunk of time that it has existed, and he's at least the 4th one to wear it) it is pretty likely that Redcloak is among the highest level goblin characters to have existed and may well be the most powerful goblin character ever. What with their short life spans, the indication that goblins didn't have PC class levels until The Dark One came about, and the fact that they cling to the edges of civilization it seems pretty likely. From a meta perspective, how often do campaigns actually have high level goblin NPCs? They are almost exclusively mooks and low level villains.
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2019-09-08, 11:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If Redcloak died, where would he go?
Being evil doesn't mean you're evil