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    So dragon shaman are listed in their fluff as avid studiers of dragons.

    Knowing things about dragons requires a knowledge(arcana).

    Knowledge(arcana) is not on their skill list, not even on any of the specific totems gives knowledge(arcana) as a class skill. So these shaman who get their power from understanding of dragons, couldn't tell you the difference between a green dragon and an oversized gecko! What the what?
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    Personally I have a houserule that Knowlege (Arcana) is a class skill for Dragon Shamans.

    Becuase IMO, that's idiotic that they don't have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Stabber View Post
    So dragon shaman are listed in their fluff as avid studiers of dragons.

    Knowing things about dragons requires a knowledge(arcana).

    Knowledge(arcana) is not on their skill list, not even on any of the specific totems gives knowledge(arcana) as a class skill. So these shaman who get their power from understanding of dragons, couldn't tell you the difference between a green dragon and an oversized gecko! What the what?
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    I didn't think they so much studied dragons as revered and worshipped them.

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    Would you really want your dragon shaman to learn that dragons do not, in fact, emit a healing aura?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benly View Post
    Would you really want your dragon shaman to learn that dragons do not, in fact, emit a healing aura?
    Or, for example, weren't the inventors of sliced bread, central heating, or indoor plumbing?
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    Or, for example, weren't the inventors of sliced bread, central heating, or indoor plumbing?
    I hear dragons poo diamonds.

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    I hear dragons poo diamonds.
    Only after they've eaten larger diamonds.

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    Only after they've eaten larger diamonds.
    Larger Diamonds are of course a staple of the Dragon diet, along with sheep, cabbage, and tea, which they have been known to brew in lakes heated by their fire breath.
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    and tea, which they have been known to brew in lakes heated by their fire breath.
    Big enough dragons just use the whole plant, since it's easier than picking the leaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Stabber View Post
    So dragon shaman are listed in their fluff as avid studiers of dragons.

    Knowing things about dragons requires a knowledge(arcana).

    Knowledge(arcana) is not on their skill list, not even on any of the specific totems gives knowledge(arcana) as a class skill. So these shaman who get their power from understanding of dragons, couldn't tell you the difference between a green dragon and an oversized gecko! What the what?
    FWIW, this got specifically addressed in the PHB2 errata file. Knowledge (arcana) is a class skill for all colors of dragon shaman.

    Now, if only they'd done the same for Favored Souls and Knowledge (religion)...

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    That one may well be by design - being a favoured (iPod autocorrect tried to turn that into Gabonese and then cabooses) soul means a god chose you, rather than the other way around. He or she didn't necessarily ask you about it first.

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    I think my favorite wacky skill list is the Master Inquisitive, from ECS.

    They're not missing anything in particular, but they have 6 + INT skills. And only 8 class skills. None of which are those nice wildcards like Craft or Profession or Speak Language. And the fluff is that they're real smart guys. So a Master Inquisitive who gets +3 skill points per level (anyone with 16 INT, or a human with 14 INT) is required to take cross-class skills.

    I also find it annoying that Knights don't get Diplomacy.

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    That one may well be by design - being a favoured (iPod autocorrect tried to turn that into Gabonese and then cabooses) soul means a god chose you, rather than the other way around. He or she didn't necessarily ask you about it first.

    The one that always amused me was Horizon Walkers not getting Kn:The Planes.
    And yet, your sorcerous bloodline (or just your raw awesomeness) didn't necessarily ask you if you wanted to be a Sorcerer, but Sorcs still get K: Arcana. And WotC kind of hates Sorcerers a little bit. Just sayin'.
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    What amuses me is how Wu Jen know everything despite them never likely studying The Planes and Religion.

    That reminds me, I once explained the knowledge skills to my brother and then told him about knowledge the planes skill.
    He now thinks that angels and demons are Aeroplanes.
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    What amuses me is how Wu Jen know everything despite them never likely studying The Planes and Religion.

    That reminds me, I once explained the knowledge skills to my brother and then told him about knowledge the planes skill.
    He now thinks that angels and demons are Aeroplanes.
    Pray that he never learns about mariliths, lest he starts making "snakes on a plane" jokes.

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    Pray that he never learns about mariliths, lest he starts making "snakes on a plane" jokes.
    He can make that joke anyway thanks to Yuan-Ti.

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    He can make that joke anyway thanks to Yuan-Ti.
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    I hear dragons poo diamonds.
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    I didn't think they were Outsiders.
    They're not- but in Ghostwalk, they have a demiplane of their own called Coil.
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    Ah.

    I guess "I'm tired of these gorram snakes on this gorram demi-plane" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey McBannert View Post
    Ah.

    I guess "I'm tired of these gorram snakes on this gorram demi-plane" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
    I don't know, it has a nice ring to it.
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    Well sure, but everything has a better sound with more Firefly in it.
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    That one may well be by design - being a favoured (iPod autocorrect tried to turn that into Gabonese and then cabooses) soul means a god chose you, rather than the other way around. He or she didn't necessarily ask you about it first.
    Yeah. maybe. It still seems weird, though, that after being touched by the divine, the class doesn't give you the option (barring one online ACF) to actually learn about where your powers are coming from without spending cross class skills. It also makes it unnecessarily hard, using the class as written, to get into 90% of divine PrCs. I personally believe it was an omission from when the class first appeared in Miniatures Handbook, and was reprinted in CD.

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    Dragons are those mind reading jellyfish headed things that eat brains, right?

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    Dragons are those mind reading jellyfish headed things that eat brains, right?

    Or am I thinking of something else?
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    Why not a squid?
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    This thread is highly amusing.

    And I never noticed that about Favored Souls! Someone should be bonked on the head for that one.
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    Why not a squid?
    Because illithid head isn't elongated enough to be said to resemble a squid, in my opinion.
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    This thread is highly amusing.

    And I never noticed that about Favored Souls! Someone should be bonked on the head for that one.
    And they even had a chance to fix it when they reprinted in CDiv, that's gotta count double.
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    WotC boss "what, no we proofed it for Miniatures Handbook, why bother?"

    To be fair if some one at WotC was bonked on the head every time they did something silly like that, the city of Renton, Washington would be the most brain damaged city in america, possibly the world.

    Now that I think about it, I kinda like the idea of favored souls being clueless dupes.
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