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2010-09-15, 08:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
It's not that all spells with that descriptor do damage, it's that one of the feats stacked on to it causes spells with that descriptor to do damage. Specifically, Flash Frost from PHB2.
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2010-09-15, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
As above; Flash Frost specifically states it causes damage to all targets within the area of the spell. It says nothing about the spell having to do damage to begin with.
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2010-09-15, 08:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
So... could use use this to, say, apply negative levels with a Prestidigitation? The color changing feature or something.
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2010-09-15, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
A snowcast flash frost fell drain prestidigitation. There are generally better uses for your three feats and your standard action, although the lulz are not to be denied.
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2010-09-15, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
Well, Presto is an automatic hit, and one spell slot (level depending on what Metamagic related stuff you have!) lasts you an hour...
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2010-09-15, 10:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
persist it too, and you can deal an arbitary quantity of negative levels from a level 0 spell.
Decomposition is higher level, but you can use Black lore of moil to make it deal damage and then Fell Drain it.
of course, creatures dead with negative levels get up as wights 24 hrs later...
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2010-09-15, 10:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
Aren't those just creatures dead with negative levels inflicted by wights, not all neglevels?
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2010-09-15, 10:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
"energy drain" in the DMG is anything that inflicts negative levels- spells are not exempted. And states anything killed by energy drain rises as a wight unless there are rules specifically stating otherwise (such as a creature's spawn ability).
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2010-09-15, 08:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-15, 08:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
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2010-09-15, 08:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
Which, you know, means that if you use it on a Locate City bomb while in range of a city means there's suddenly this huge quantity of CR 3 undead running around. Oh yes, and any humanoids they kill join their ranks. It's a fun way to start a wightocolypse.
Of course, there's also Fell Animate, which turns things into zombies; makes a great addition.Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2010-09-15, 08:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
One man walking zombie apocalypse. Nice.
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2010-09-15, 08:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
Simulacrum and Polymorph Any Object were always my favorites.
For Simulacrum, purchasing a suit of dragonhide leather armor is relatively inexpensive, when you can get an arbitrary number of half-strength dragon slaves out of it. (Even better in 3.0, when it could be empowered and maximized...)
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2010-09-15, 08:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
snowcast, flash frost, purified locate city cast by 500 mages using co-operative spell to give 5000 mile range would with enough casts kill all non-good people & creatures in the world.
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2010-09-15, 09:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
What's the largest aura type spell? IE, biggest area on a spell with a duration.
Something I can persist via incantatrix, and then start applying the standard wightpocylpse spells to...
The whole idea of a walking aura of death is just awesome.
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2010-09-15, 09:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
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2010-09-15, 09:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
I'd say that intentional mass murder on a global scale would be a good reason for someone to stop being good.
So, with the later casts, the casters would actually be hitting themselves. Unless they had cold resistance, of course.
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2010-09-15, 09:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
Still misses critters that have a measure of resistance (it's only a few points of damage per casting), and misses critters with regeneration. But you'll get most of them. Well, until your casters start popping too, because their alignment changed due to the mass-murder of neutral intelligent people....
Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2010-09-15, 09:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
Okay, so. Our arbitrary negative levels shtick? Can we put it on scrying spells, and therefore wightify anyone in the world? well, anyone without wards...
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2010-09-15, 09:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
Er. Technically, yes. Snowcasting can be applied to absolutely anything, I do believe.
SR applies, though. Plus the failure chance for scry.
You can skip snowcasting,etc by using Nightmare instead. Just slap on fell drain. Range: Unlimited. Sources Required: 2. One of which is core.Last edited by Tyndmyr; 2010-09-15 at 09:31 PM.
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2010-09-15, 09:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
Well, there we go. Arbitrary negative levels, wherever the Nine Hells we want. Woo.
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2010-09-15, 09:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
We just negated the scry in scry and die. Oops.
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2010-09-15, 09:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-15, 09:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-16, 07:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
or take Bane Magic - Elves, and then do a locate City Bomb.
theres a good few wide range drood spells, Commune with Nature and the like. it doesnt specificly target anyhting, so not sure it works as a city bomb.
doesnt control weather hit vast areas?
could add a widen(lengthen? enlarge? the names on these things are retarded) to it whilst we are there though :P
anyhow
reducing the feat requirements is pretty easy, we can get a rod. unless we heighten the spell it will still count as a lower level one for all purposes. then we just need meta magic Substitution (fire) and Searing spell and no-one can resist it! *bwahahaha*
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other feats/ideas that might work along similar lines
Corupt spell + a evil version of the Chausabel of Fell power +fell drain.
= do-able at +1 spell level with MM school focus.
ok, heres the thing. How low a level can we get this to work, and whith which classes? (sorry for topic hijack)
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2010-09-16, 07:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-16, 07:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
Anything that allows us to rid the world of Kender is pure Good.
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2010-09-16, 07:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-16, 07:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
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2010-09-16, 08:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Where to find commonly abused spells, and why they are abused?
Regarding the Ice Assassin...I think the Dweomerkeep PrC in the Complete Divine Web Enhancement is useful for that cheese. They have some ability that lets them cast a spell as a supernatural ability. Bam, no need for material components.
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