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    Default Need help building a Archivist Dweomerkeeper.

    I'm wanting to build a Warforged Dweomerkeeper with the Archivist class. My problem that I am currently running into is that the DM is limiting the available books to the following.

    All Core
    All Eberron
    All Completes
    MiC and SC

    The game starts at Lvl 6 with normal WBL. No flaws, 2 traits.

    What I want to do is get into Dweomerkeeper without losing any caster levels and I need the playgrounds help as to how to do this best.
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    Default Re: Need help building a Archivist Dweomerkeeper.

    The skill and feat prerequisites aren't a big deal. But casting arcane and divine spells as well as possessing the magic domain makes this a tricky proposition, since Archivist doesn't get domains.

    Contemplative would seem the most likely avenue to get the Magic domain, unless you want to dip cleric too which I would not recommend.

    So maybe Archivist 3 / Wizard 3 / Mystic Theurge 4 / Contemplative 1 / Dweomerkeeper 9
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    Default Re: Need help building a Archivist Dweomerkeeper.

    Quote Originally Posted by BowStreetRunner View Post
    The skill and feat prerequisites aren't a big deal. But casting arcane and divine spells as well as possessing the magic domain makes this a tricky proposition, since Archivist doesn't get domains.

    Contemplative would seem the most likely avenue to get the Magic domain, unless you want to dip cleric too which I would not recommend.

    So maybe Archivist 3 / Wizard 3 / Mystic Theurge 4 / Contemplative 1 / Dweomerkeeper 9
    The problem with Contemplative is that it prevents you from taking that very nice 10th level. Something that I'd like to do if possible. Also, your build there loses several caster levels.

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    Default Re: Need help building a Archivist Dweomerkeeper.

    The substitute domain spell from Complete Champion makes the magic domain requirement trivial, due to its days/level duration it's easy to keep active 24/7. Just pick up any prestige class that gives you a domain, then trade it out. If you actually want a smattering of wizard casting in your build, you could do this:
    Archvist4/wizard1/divine oracle1/theurge4/dweomerkeeper10

    Precocious apprentice allows for only 1 wizard level. Frog God's Fane in Complete Scoundrel can get you skill focus (religion) without needing to spend one of your level up feats on it.

    If you can beg for the magical training feat from Player's Guide to Faerun, that lets you cast three level 0 arcane spells, and that would qualify you without a wizard level.
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    Default Re: Need help building a Archivist Dweomerkeeper.

    Assuming substitute domain doesn't work to qualify (most DM don't allow PRC qualification out of a temporary feature or, if they do, tie the feature loss with the loss of all class feature derived from it)

    Option A:
    Wizard 1 (Scribe scroll, Any metamagic feat)
    Archivist 4 (Arcane disciple: Magic)
    Dweomerkeeper 1+ (Open)
    Uses the Arcane disciple feat to qualify for the "Domain: Magic" requirement. RAW it doesn't work but it's worth to check with your DM
    Loses 1 CL, lvl 6 entry.

    Option B:
    Wizard 1 (Scribe scroll, Any metamagic feat)
    Archivist 9 (Open, Open, Open)
    Contamplative 1 => Gain the Magic domain
    Dweomerkeeper 1+ (Open)
    Works RAW, loses 1 CL, lvl12 entry.

    Option C:
    Wizard 1 (Scribe scroll, Any metamagic feat)
    Archivist 3 (Open)
    Church inquisitor 1
    Soveregin speaker 1 (Open) => Gain the Magic domain
    Dweomerkeeper 1+
    Requires to be LG or LN, loses 2 CLs, lvl7 entry.

    Option D:
    Wizard 1 (Scribe scroll, Any metamagic feat)
    Archivist 4 (Skill focus: K. Religion)
    Divine Oracle 1 (Open)
    Soveregin speaker 1 => Gain the Magic domain
    Dweomerkeeper 1+
    Works RAW, loses 2 CLs, lvl8 entry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirax View Post
    Precocious apprentice allows for only 1 wizard level.
    And why would you need more?
    Last edited by docnessuno; 2012-10-30 at 07:04 PM.

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    Default Re: Need help building a Archivist Dweomerkeeper.

    I don't see how you can cast arcane spells without losing at least one archivist caster level. Certainly, if you are only taking the arcane casting to fulfill the dweomerkeeper entry requirement, then you can just dip an arcane casting class and never mind trying to keep up the arcane side beyond that.
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    Default Re: Need help building a Archivist Dweomerkeeper.

    Quote Originally Posted by docnessuno View Post
    Assuming substitute domain doesn't work to qualify (most DM don't allow PRC qualification out of a temporary feature or, if they do, tie the feature loss with the loss of all class feature derived from it)

    Option A:
    Wizard 1 (Scribe scroll, Any metamagic feat)
    Archivist 4 (Arcane disciple: Magic)
    Dweomerkeeper 1+ (Open)
    Uses the Arcane disciple feat to qualify for the "Domain: Magic" requirement. RAW it doesn't work but it's worth to check with your DM
    Loses 1 CL, lvl 6 entry.

    Option B:
    Wizard 1 (Scribe scroll, Any metamagic feat)
    Archivist 9 (Open, Open, Open)
    Contamplative 1 => Gain the Magic domain
    Dweomerkeeper 1+ (Open)
    Works RAW, loses 1 CL, lvl12 entry.

    Option C:
    Wizard 1 (Scribe scroll, Any metamagic feat)
    Archivist 3 (Open)
    Church inquisitor 1
    Soveregin speaker 1 (Open) => Gain the Magic domain
    Dweomerkeeper 1+
    Requires to be LG or LN, loses 2 CLs, lvl7 entry.

    Option D:
    Wizard 1 (Scribe scroll, Any metamagic feat)
    Archivist 4 (Skill focus: K. Religion)
    Divine Oracle 1 (Open)
    Soveregin speaker 1 => Gain the Magic domain
    Dweomerkeeper 1+
    Works RAW, loses 2 CLs, lvl8 entry.



    And why would you need more?
    Thanks, I'll look into these. Especially if I can get the first one past my DM.

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    Default Re: Need help building a Archivist Dweomerkeeper.

    Quote Originally Posted by docnessuno View Post


    And why would you need more?
    Theurgy. It was partially a response to the build posted before mine that used 3 wizard levels, though, I didn't leave anything to help anyone connect the dots.

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